MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I love the Hawks. There is just no sitting on your laurels in that organization Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Hate the Hjalmersson trade for Chicago. Not sure about the Panarin one. To be honest, I thought Saad was a more productive player. 53 points career high. Those are Jordan Eberle numbers. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Hate the Hjalmersson trade for Chicago. Not sure about the Panarin one. To be honest, I thought Saad was a more productive player. 53 points career high. Those are Jordan Eberle numbers. He got almost no PP time in Columbus last year. His even strength scoring was among the best in the league I seem to recall without looking up the stats. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted June 23, 2017 Author Share Posted June 23, 2017 Hate the Hjalmersson trade for Chicago. Not sure about the Panarin one. To be honest, I thought Saad was a more productive player. 53 points career high. Those are Jordan Eberle numbers. Eberle had 76 points once! Saad is apparently younger than Panarin and signed longer. Dollar value the same I think. So kinda see where Chicago is coming from. Can Panarin thrive without Kane? Sure hope so. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Oilers sign Russel 4 yrs $16M lol Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I get it that Stan Bowman isn't messing around, but did the Hawks get better today? They didn't shed any salary. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I love the Hawks. There is just no sitting on your laurels in that organization They can't afford to thanks to Seabrook's contract. Did Negreanu sign that? Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I guess the 2 extra years for Saad is the compensation for the talent gap (if there even is one). Panarin will probably make more than $6M in 3 years Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 - I would usually hate the Hjalm trade, but I have a thing for Connor Murphy. I think that guy might be on the upswing, whereas we have the seen the best of Hjalm. Murphy could make that deal really one sided in 2years - Not sure about Panarin/Saad. Panarin seems to have better skills, but maybe Saad is a better all around player, talk of Toews+Kane wanting Saad back. Be interesting to see Panarin stats without Kane. On the surface, Im not sure I like either deal. But its the Hawks, I give them a pass more than most teams, they make some really smart moves at times, ones I didnt see coming. I just love their willingness to be the best, and take risks. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Oilers sign Russel 4 yrs $16M lol And then you have this clown show. way to mess up all those picks, they better not blow this ridiculous opp with McDavid+Leon Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Panarin will probably make more than $6M in 3 years I think this is key. You have to get to this realization and act soon before you are already there, and the players value is even more drastically declining. Hjal was going to get big $ in 2yrs. Panarin in 3. Look at 2020 with Saad+Murphy vs Panarin+Hjal. I think an argument can be made you are winning huge then, and you may even win the deal first 2 years too, if the players play well. Also, I could see in 2020 Forsberg being their #1 gtd, hes that good, I think. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 NYR/ARI rumours now...Raanta, Stepan, stuff... Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Aaron Portzline @Aportzline 2m2 minutes ago More Wonder if acquisition of Panarin is, in any way, a sweetener for Ilya Kovalchuk, who's been discussed by #CBJ. The two were teammates in KHL 1 Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Speculation Panarin acquisition may be a step to getting Kovalchuk...they were teammates in KHL. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I can't copy and paste tweets :/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Apparently Raanta and Stepan to ARI for DeAngelo and 7th overall is a done deal. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 wow. In a vacuum, I really like both Arizona trades today. Not sure they are where they think they are in their rebuild though. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 wow. In a vacuum, I really like both Arizona trades today. Not sure they are where they think they are in their rebuild though. you like 7th overall for Raanta+Stepan? Im not so sure, but thats because its Arizona, and I dont get the need for Stepan on that team, or even Raanta at that cost. Not a fan of it, if it was the Oilers/Leafs(someone much closer in their rebuild), then I get such a price. Otherwise....nah. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Yeah. Stepan is a top line forward. Raanta is probably one of, if not the best goalie that was potentially available. He's a safer bet than Talbot or Martin Jones were when they were picked up by SJ and EDM. #7 pick is overvalued around draft time. Obviously a great asset, but to get 2 really strong, established players for it is a good deal in my opinion. I'm not sure it makes sense for Ariona right now, but they obviously feel like they are ready to compete Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Stepan point production last 4 years: 57, 55, 53, 55. He's signed 4 more years at a reasonable 6.5M. I think Stepan for #7 would have been a fairly even trade. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 point production last 4 years (I know points aren't everything, but they are a batter indication of talent than, umm, intangibles and stuff.) Player A: 57, 55, 53, 55 - major part of trade for #7 overall pick Player B: 47, 52, 53, 53 - Traded for a top 10 forward in the entire NHL Player C: 65, 63, 47, 51 - Traded for a middling 3rd line center hmm.. Link to post Share on other sites
Untilted 158 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I have no problem dealing Stepan. I think he is overvalued. He had a horrible playoff and has been horrendous on the PP for a couple of years now. Not good at faceoffs. More often than not, the Rangers would have a 1:40 PP instead of 2 minutes I cringe everytime one of his drop passes results in a breakaway to the other end. He also passes way to much If Deangelo turns out to be a good player, I like this deal Link to post Share on other sites
iBeaver 409 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Hey fchl guys, Saad is available. He will be playing on the top line 5v5 and top power play line with Kane and Toews. 20+ min a game. Get your offers in. -rich Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I guess for me, I dont think Stepan at 6.5m is that great of a contract. So, it doesnt feel like you are getting anything that much higher than replacement value of a UFA, since Stepan is 27 and signed to 5more years? So I dont like him that much as an asset. I base that on the fact that I think... 1. His points are a reflection of the opportunity he was given, and he was given a fair amount. ie top line minutes, top PP time 2. I dont believe he is actually a #1C. I think he makes a good #2C, and that makes his 6.5m tougher to swallow 3. I think he disappointed me in a pool last year, so Fck him. Oh, I think it was the FCHL I just realized. 4. Only an idiot would give up a high pick to acquire Stepan 5. Only a bigger idiot would give up a pick so high, it becomes Panarin You gotta admit, the trades today have a pretty funny irony Dave, and it only just hit me now. lol (to those not able to follow, I made a trade with Dave in FCHL where I think it was Stepan for the #11 overall pick, which he used on Panarin. Stepan had 2/3yrs at a very cost effective $1 I think) Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 haha. Stepan had 4 years at $1, And I believe I made the same arguments for Stepan then as I am now when I was selling him to you. Link to post Share on other sites
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