Worst Thing I Ever Seen At Nl Cash Holdem Game

[CorvairShaggy 5]

Grant it, my skills are not near as good as you guys, but I had plenty of time to watch/think/play. Problem that I found was that you are always multi-way to the river, and games like this they will call anything all the way to the river. It's hard to put certain people on ranges because they will play damn near anything. There was one guy that I remember did not play very much, but when he did he would play EVERY hand. He would fold maybe 15% of the time by the river, only because he knew based on board texture and who he was up against if they had the nuts or not. But, he would see EVERY flop. He did go busto several times, but there were some nights where he would catch everything. We all have seen those times at games before where you have the one table donk that seems to catch every fu$%^ng time. In my situation, I tried playing super tight and that seemed to be the best play, but when you only have 3-4 hours per night to play, you may not get those strong hands that often. They did use 2 decks so that way after one hand finished, the 2nd deck was shuffled and ready to go, but you still were not getting that many hands per session. Also, If you played super tight the loose canons would pick up on that and you could not get much action when you did make a move.

 

 

I have played live poker several times in casinos before, so I understand that the above scenario is not the norm. I played a few months ago and half the table were complete idiots, and it was like printing money. But, from my limited live experience, I have noticed that there are all different types of games. Bingo, Print-your-own, and Scratch-your-head-walking-away-broke thinking" How did that happen, again?"

 

Just my thoughts. I could be way off base and not seeing something correctly or may not have enough live experience to adjust properly. I will say though I did learn some things during that time that has helped out my overall game. (May not have been the live game, but definetly had time to read-up. Read Daniel's books twice, and Bluff and CardPlayer every month.) Also, playing Spades every night in a competitive game also helped me pay attention to the board and players more in poker. Now I feel like a normal donk instead of a complete idiot donk. Maybe one day I can graduate to "Average Player"

[TrueAce13 18]

Corvair, there are some things definitely wrong with your thought process.

 

Obviously you stated that the tough part against someone who is playing crazy (ATC every hand), is to play a bit tighter. While this is definitely a great strategy, you don't have enough of a sample size to state that the game is hard. When you have someone who plays this kind of style, you need to adjust your calling range to a bit wider, and have your value range be wider as well. Hands such as AT or other TPmehKicker hands are hands that we have to get into the middle versus someone who is playing very wild.

 

Another way you can adjust to someone who is playing crazy is play hands in position against them. Again, position in poker is a very important subject and you can exploit people in this way. If a guy is a calling station, we can value bet very wide, b/c his range is going to be ATC. With this, we are able to peel off cards, especially if he is a station who won't raise as much.

 

As Ian (donk4life) said, this game should be like printing money, just like almost all $1/$2 NL games. You don't need to make moves and try to level these players, you need to wait back, see how wide you can value bet, and just go to town on fools. Don't get discouraged that you lost a few times in the game, just be sure that you are making the best decision while playing.

[donk4life 34]

And yeah Corvair. You are probably better than 99% of the live players out there who play in games like this. Don't sell yourself short.

[Stupidhead 2]

But if we start value betting wider, we lose more when they inevitably river trips.

[JubilantLankyLad 1,957]

But if we start value betting wider, we lose more when they inevitably river trips.

That only happens when you have AA or KK, so just play more hands and it will all even out.

[SuperJon 175]

And hey, when the dealer puts out the river, you can just bitch that it's not right, and they have to redo it.

[BigDMcGee 3,353]

And hey, when the dealer puts out the river, you can just bitch that it's not right, and they have to redo it.

 

No, they can't redo it, you get your money back and it's a new hand.

[CorvairShaggy 5]

Corvair, there are some things definitely wrong with your thought process.

 

Obviously you stated that the tough part against someone who is playing crazy (ATC every hand), is to play a bit tighter. While this is definitely a great strategy, you don't have enough of a sample size to state that the game is hard. When you have someone who plays this kind of style, you need to adjust your calling range to a bit wider, and have your value range be wider as well. Hands such as AT or other TPmehKicker hands are hands that we have to get into the middle versus someone who is playing very wild.

 

Another way you can adjust to someone who is playing crazy is play hands in position against them. Again, position in poker is a very important subject and you can exploit people in this way. If a guy is a calling station, we can value bet very wide, b/c his range is going to be ATC. With this, we are able to peel off cards, especially if he is a station who won't raise as much.

 

As Ian (donk4life) said, this game should be like printing money, just like almost all $1/$2 NL games. You don't need to make moves and try to level these players, you need to wait back, see how wide you can value bet, and just go to town on fools. Don't get discouraged that you lost a few times in the game, just be sure that you are making the best decision while playing.

 

Yeah, I kinda see what you are saying. Problem is with the above situation was that you usually had 3-4 guys that would stay in all the way, and you could not bet them off of any draws, weak hands. It always seemed/felt like that TPTK was always no good 3-4 handed. Also, we usually played 12-13 players, so that kinda skews things a bit too. I guess my lack of experience in the live world really shows here. Assuming one would find themselves in similar game, I would say the proper way would be to open it up a bit, and keep value betting the hell out of made hands?? Be prepared to take a loss or two, but overall if adjusted to correctly at the end should still come out ahead most of the time?? Guess I need to take some more weekends off and drive the 4 hours to the nearest Casino and practice more.

 

 

And yeah Corvair. You are probably better than 99% of the live players out there who play in games like this. Don't sell yourself short.

 

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Problem is I am always hard on myself and like to push. The more I learn this game, the more holes/weaknesses/flawed thinking I find and seem to notice. Thats just part of the fun.

 

Sorry to kinda-hijack this thread, but it lost the strat value long time ago. Entertainment value is excellent tho. OP needs to start his own thread in the General section IMO.

[EAPaaron 4]

Last night cash game. Started out with terrible luck then went plus by end of night.

 

Had AA, raised 30$ preflop, got called by a tight player. Flop is A 5 8 rainbow. I thought my set of aces had him smoked. I check flop, he checks. Turn is 4. Bet 20 he calls. River is K. Board is A 5 8 4 K....... Other guy ships all in for his remaining 60$. I call. He flips over 6 7 and has strait. I would have never thougt he would be holding 6 7 on a 30$ preflop raise since he is usually a extremely tight player.

 

Then eventually won it all back very slowly and then ended night with 60$ more than I started.

[donk4life 34]

Wow how did you know your set of aces was a dominating hand on that flop? Did you have a tell on the other guy?

[donk4life 34]

I also hope that you 15x preflop with no limpers too.

[KingJames 11]

It's spelled straight.

 

Bet the flop 100% of the time. $30. Ship the remaining $50 on 100% of turns.

 

ez game.

[TrueAce13 18]

meh, i think you played it great, just got unlucky.

[donk4life 34]

meh, i think you played it great, just got unlucky.

dam strait.

[CobaltBlue 662]

dam strait.

I believe it's pronounced 'skrait'.

[fighter 4]

It's spelled straight.

 

Bet the flop 100% of the time. $30. Ship the remaining $50 on 100% of turns.

 

ez game.

I actually disagree.

 

I like not betting the flop. We have all the aces, there is very little in the way of draws and there is so little behind that just betting half pot twice will get stacks it.

 

Check and give him a chance to catch up.

[KingJames 11]

Overall in this game I'd just be making these huge pre-flop raises with a wider range, then c-betting all of the time. If villains are calling with 67 and other stuff, they are going to fold flops a lot... we can print money.

 

And with two half pot bets left I think in general vs bad passive live players betting flop and turn is going to be better than turn and river. There is very little in the way of draws, but that doesn't mean a player won't call with 98 or some random gutter with 2nd pair draws or something. I also think we get calls from 99-QQ that will flat pre.

[fighter 4]

Overall in this game I'd just be making these huge pre-flop raises with a wider range, then c-betting all of the time. If villains are calling with 67 and other stuff, they are going to fold flops a lot... we can print money.

 

And with two half pot bets left I think in general vs bad passive live players betting flop and turn is going to be better than turn and river. There is very little in the way of draws, but that doesn't mean a player won't call with 98 or some random gutter with 2nd pair draws or something. I also think we get calls from 99-QQ that will flat pre.

We print money because they always fold flop.

 

We flopped the world this hand. I don't see the issue with letting the guy think we are slightly weaker than we are by checking. If he is calling flop with 99-QQ, he is calling turn with 99-QQ. It also gives him some rope to try and push us off our hand.

[SuperJon 175]

I believe it's pronounced 'skrait'.

 

 

True story

 

I was playing at the Hard Rock in Tampa. I forget what I had exactly, but we'll just say KK. I bet every street and this one guy called every bet. On the river, he raised all in, and I called. Board was something like 45K59 and he turns over like 67 or 78, and yells "SKRAIT!"

 

He seemed genuinely surprised when the chips were pushed my way.

[KingJames 11]

I think they're loose passive and will try to take us off our hand less often than they will call with inferior holdings

 

I see your side tho, we just disagree.

[fighter 4]

I think they're loose passive and will try to take us off our hand less often than they will call with inferior holdings

 

I see your side tho, we just disagree.

I think giving them another card to make an inferior holding is better in this situation since we practically have this hand locked down.

 

Really as long as we never fold and all the money is in the middle, I doubt either line is that much different in EV

[Stupidhead 2]

[FARGOpokerND 22]

I played a hand the other day, was the big cash game in town held at the local barbar shop. These donk****s are awful and love to give me their money. I come out a head in the game 94% of the time. I kno this cuz I keep track in a book. Tonite was just dumb tho. I was running really good all nite and these donks kept giving me chips and I had a stack of $500 from my buy in of $80 when I looked down at the red rockets. I hadn't played a hand in two hours so I wanted to make people think I was fed up and trying to steal so I raised to $50. This old **** stares me down and he calls the $50. The floop came 2 7 J and I wanted to look week so I bet $10 and he called and said son I know you are week the turn was a 5 and I said how about now and bet $300 and he said i am pot committed and went all IN! I called him a donk and called the river was the 4 and before I could turn my red rockets over he slammed down 6 and 3 for the strait and said THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT. I thoguth this was rude and I rebought for $40 since It isnt good to rebuy for full 80 when I am tilting.

 

did I play this rite or was this just bad luck

[donk4life 34]

[Mercury69 3]

This thread keeps on giving, just like the OP's mom.