Nashtak 0 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Reminds me of an old school cash plays episode with samolous and bart hansen . He said when you are really deep, that choosing lines becomes epically more important.If you c/c then you only put a max of one bet inIf you b/c then you only put a max of two bets inIf you c/r then you could potentially be putting three bets in. This is important when deeper since our equity with combo draws can change radically on the turn and different stack to pot ratios caused by these lines can limit our options on different turns.FYP? Trying to vizualize this concept and it seemed to make more sense like this, or i could simply be misinterpreting it. Link to post Share on other sites
Nashtak 0 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Interesting...He donk bet/folded to raise earlier, so when he flats this time, I really weight his range towards like Ax hands that he's probably never folding.Thoughts on turn?Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersCO: $59.30 Button: $82.30 SB: $43.25 BB: $55.25 (Hero)UTG: $50.00 UTG+1: $52.70 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with (6 players)4 folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.50Flop: ($4.00) (2 players)SB bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, SB calls $3Turn: ($13.00) (2 players)SB bets $9, Hero calls $9River: ($31.00) (2 players)SB checks, Hero checksSB showed , and lost with high card AceHero showed :D, and won ($29.50) with a pair of DeucesHero won $29.50(Rake: $1.50)So did you call because you figured it would be slightly +EV to chase the flush if your read is true and he's not folding his top pair regardless?$9 for a pot of $22 + his remaining $27,75 = 9 / 49,75 (9 / 49.75) / 9 = 1 / 5,527 risk 1 to win 5,527 with odds of 1 of 5,1 = winYes?Am i missing another motivation for this call? Only seems +EV if we know villain is calling is top pair down like +95% of the time. For all his stack.PS: Chance of hitting a flush on the river is 1 of 5,1 right? 9 spades left, 46 cards unseen. Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 FYP? Trying to vizualize this concept and it seemed to make more sense like this, or i could simply be misinterpreting it.you are correct. I accidentally a word or something of the sort. Link to post Share on other sites
Nashtak 0 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 A pack of feral cows chewed their cuds for .0043 seconds to convert this handPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05 - 9 playersUTG+1: $2.62 MP: $10.07 MP2: $2.30 HJ: $9.93 CO: $5.22 Button: $6.64 SB: $4.85 BB: $11.62 (Hero)UTG: $5.40 Preflop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with (9 players)3 folds, MP2 calls $0.05, HJ calls $0.05, 3 folds, Hero checksFlop: ($0.17) (3 players)Hero bets $0.15, MP2 folds, HJ raises to $0.65, Hero raises to $3.75, Hero collected $1.40(Rake: $0.07)Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05 - 9 playersUTG: $5.60 UTG+1: $4.67 MP: $13.50 (Hero)MP2: $2.97 HJ: $12.18 CO: $5.18 Button: $0.99 SB: $2.95 BB: $2.00 Preflop: ($0.07) Hero is MP with (9 players)2 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, MP2 folds, HJ raises to $0.40, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.90, HJ calls $0.50Flop: ($1.87) (2 players)Hero checks, HJ bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25Turn: ($2.37) (2 players)Hero checks, HJ bets $0.30, Hero ?HJ collected $2.26(Rake: $0.11)---still in the session. too busy for details and explanations for now.enjoy Link to post Share on other sites
Nashtak 0 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05 - 9 playersBB: $4.59 UTG: $10.70 UTG+1: $2.39 MP: $7.04 MP2: $5.15 HJ: $3.96 CO: $4.98 Button: $13.11 (Hero)SB: $4.77 Preflop: ($0.07) Hero is Button with (9 players)6 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, BB foldsFlop: ($0.35) (2 players)SB checks, Hero checksTurn: ($0.35) (2 players)SB bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25River: ($0.95) (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $0.60Good spot to barrel? Link to post Share on other sites
Nashtak 0 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Converted by a herd of feral cowsPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05 - 9 playersHJ: $7.52 CO: $4.07 Button: $11.68 (Hero)SB: $6.11 BB: $2.26 UTG: $8.45 UTG+1: $10.70 MP: $5.76 MP2: $10.47 Preflop: ($0.07) Hero is Button with (9 players)4 folds, HJ raises to $0.20, CO folds, Hero calls $0.20, 2 foldsFlop: ($0.47) (2 players)HJ bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30Turn: ($1.07) (2 players)HJ bets $0.70, Hero ? Link to post Share on other sites
droberts 3 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 on the flush hand, u are wayyy overbetting in this spot. i would make it between $2 and $2.50 there. once u do that, it should be easy to get stacks in by the river. with the KK.. i am not folding for what he is betting. call and take notes on what he bets super small with if anythingon the Q4 btn hand.. i would be cbetting that flop KT is close, but i probly call turn and fold to a river bet. did u have any reads on the guy or what were ur reasons for flatting pre?that hand might be a good spot to 3bet.. but i doubt 3betting at 5nl is a good idea without really strong hands Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 First hand at table. As soon as the SB just calls I felt weird but W/E run it onceonce a cow has a taste for violence, it reverts. it becomes feral.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 playersBB: $50.00 (Hero)UTG: $50.00 UTG+1: $25.00 CO: $50.00 Button: $114.75 SB: $138.45 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with (6 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1.75, CO folds, Button calls $1.75, SB raises to $8, Hero calls $7.50, UTG+1 raises to $25, and is all in, Button folds, SB calls $17, Hero raises to $50, and is all in, SB calls $25Flop: ($126.75) (3 players)Turn: ($126.75) (3 players)River: ($126.75) (3 players)Hero showed , and won ($123.75) with four of a kind, QueensUTG+1 showed , and lost with two pair, Kings and QueensSB showed , and lost with two pair, Aces and QueensHero won $123.75(Rake: $3) Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Share Posted December 8, 2010 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, fighter Link to post Share on other sites
Ninja Ace 1 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 So...Who wants to trade for 50 FT dollars? Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Share Posted December 8, 2010 So...Who wants to trade for 50 FT dollars?it normally works like thisHi guys,Have $50 FTPNeeds $50 PS, AP, Party Pokerz, whatev...You need to give moar detailsHappy Birthday, Bellairedrew Link to post Share on other sites
Ninja Ace 1 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 it normally works like thisHi guys,Have $50 FTPNeeds $50 PS, AP, Party Pokerz, whatev...You need to give moar detailsHappy Birthday, BellairedrewI figured I'd get a PM if someone was actually interested. Stars or AP. $45 would work for the $50. Ez five dorrah Link to post Share on other sites
droberts 3 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 meh.. poker-R-funbuilt the bankroll bank up a little bit so i decided to bumhunt some 50nl. yay fish v1.24Feral Cow PokerPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 2 playersBB Hero: $62.85 Button Pirikito083: $32.15 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with : : (2 players)Pirikito083 raises to $2, Hero calls $1.50Flop: ($4.00) : : : (2 players)Hero checks, Pirikito083 checksTurn: ($4.00) : (2 players)Hero bets $2.50, Pirikito083 calls $2.50River: ($9.00) : (2 players)Hero checks, Pirikito083 bets $27.65 and is all-in, Hero calls $27.65Hero showed : :, and lost with a full house, Fours full of JacksPirikito083 showed : :, and won ($63.80) with a full house, Eights full of JacksPirikito083 won $63.80(Rake: $0.50)this guy was pretty LOL.. he donkbet atleast 75% of flops when i raised the btn. at first he was folding to my raise of his donkbet.. then he started calling down with bottom pair and such.. so i quit raising the donks with air and started doin it with equity hands and midpair, top pair. finally got the better of him in the end tho. Link to post Share on other sites
Ninja Ace 1 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 that hand makes my mind hurt Link to post Share on other sites
Ninja Ace 1 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 So...Who wants to trade for 50 FT dollars?Problem solved. FCP posters faster than FT support! How sad is that?FWIW I did finally get money from FT after 2 months of waiting even though they forcibly switched me to a wire transfer. They compensated the fees with full tilt dollars which totally defeated the purpose of making a closing withdraw on that account... so thank you sir, you know who you are. Link to post Share on other sites
Ninja Ace 1 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Oh...he absolutely should fold to my shove. I probably literally have 3 hands in my range there (KcJc/TT/QQ). To be fair, he did timebank it.lol at folding AA in a 3bet pot 100bb deep Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Share Posted December 8, 2010 meh.. poker-R-funbuilt the bankroll bank up a little bit so i decided to bumhunt some 50nl. yay fish v1.24Feral Cow PokerPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 2 playersBB Hero: $62.85 Button Pirikito083: $32.15 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with : : (2 players)Pirikito083 raises to $2, Hero calls $1.50Flop: ($4.00) : : : (2 players)Hero checks, Pirikito083 checksTurn: ($4.00) : (2 players)Hero bets $2.50, Pirikito083 calls $2.50River: ($9.00) : (2 players)Hero checks, Pirikito083 bets $27.65 and is all-in, Hero calls $27.65Hero showed : :, and lost with a full house, Fours full of JacksPirikito083 showed : :, and won ($63.80) with a full house, Eights full of JacksPirikito083 won $63.80(Rake: $0.50)this guy was pretty LOL.. he donkbet atleast 75% of flops when i raised the btn. at first he was folding to my raise of his donkbet.. then he started calling down with bottom pair and such.. so i quit raising the donks with air and started doin it with equity hands and midpair, top pair. finally got the better of him in the end tho.Bet $3-$3.50 on the turn... Pot or close to it the riversigh at being under-set tho Link to post Share on other sites
Nashtak 0 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 on the flush hand, u are wayyy overbetting in this spot. i would make it between $2 and $2.50 there. once u do that, it should be easy to get stacks in by the river. with the KK.. i am not folding for what he is betting. call and take notes on what he bets super small with if anythingon the Q4 btn hand.. i would be cbetting that flop KT is close, but i probly call turn and fold to a river bet. did u have any reads on the guy or what were ur reasons for flatting pre?that hand might be a good spot to 3bet.. but i doubt 3betting at 5nl is a good idea without really strong handsYes, i totally did overbet the flush. I don't know why though. I may have had lots going on other table, and i remember i didn't feel comfortable with my hand there. Which is obviously a mistake.I didn't c-bet the Q4s on that flop because i found it way too draw heavy. Also wasn't the first time i c-betted on that table so i figured i'd check that one. But i really wonder if that is a good spot to barrel. I didn't want to lose to a busted draw or a pair of jacks, figured the ace could be a good scarecard.On the KT hand, well, he bet in late position and i was dealer. Since we were both deep, i didn't mind seeing a flop there. Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 lol at folding AA in a 3bet pot 100bb deepnit ring though Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Share Posted December 8, 2010 Have I ever told you guys how much I regs??Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 5 playersUTG: $26.10 CO: $25.00 Button: $25.00 SB: $63.00 (Hero)BB: $30.24 Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with (5 players)2 folds, Button raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.50, BB folds, Button calls $1.75Flop: ($5.25) (2 players)Hero bets $2.20, Button calls $2.20Turn: ($9.65) (2 players)Hero bets $4.80, Button raises to $10.50, Hero raises to $41.15, Button calls $9.80, and is all inRiver: ($50.25) (2 players)Button showed , and lost with a pair of TwosHero showed , and won ($47.74) with two pair, Kings and TwosHero won $47.74(Rake: $2.51) Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 inducements for the spazzaments Link to post Share on other sites
Nashtak 0 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 What's with all the hands of villains spewing all their chips away on air. Am i missing some sick action right now? Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted December 8, 2010 Author Share Posted December 8, 2010 What's with all the hands of villains spewing all their chips away on air. Am i missing some sick action right now?1. Open online poker client2. Pick any micro stakes limit3. Table select4. Play reasonably tight5. Profitez gameI also sit at tables with trystero under the ruse that there is a fish he shouldn't miss out on... Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 lol at folding AA in a 3bet pot 100bb deep110bb deep though. =)And if he felted it on the flop or turn, probably no worries. However, the way he chose to felt it on the river...I just can't figure out how his hand is ever good there. Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 ****ing Pstars trying to get my account up and running for the Neg-o so I can steamroll JamesWe have identified that you already have an account with an ID of queynte. Our Terms and Conditions clearly state that only one account per player is permitted.!!!!!!!! yes but I don't have that email address anymore!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
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