dna4ever 2 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 So I have figured out my biggest leak right now is that I never believe anyone ever has a hand and they are always trying to bluff me. I really need to find my ability to fold again. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 So I have figured out my biggest leak right now is that I never believe anyone ever has a hand and they are always trying to bluff me. I really need to find my ability to fold again.IPITS.Probably doesn't help that I try to bluff everyone myself. Link to post Share on other sites
Chris-LFC 0 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 So I have figured out my biggest leak right now is that I never believe anyone ever has a hand and they are always trying to bluff me. I really need to find my ability to fold again.play LHE, feel at home, problem solved Link to post Share on other sites
Naked_Cowboy 0 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 fish don't bluffraise the river. like, ever. almost no fish 3 barrel. if you're game selecting properly you can have a river aggression factor approaching infinity without it being a problem. Link to post Share on other sites
dna4ever 2 Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 fish don't bluffraise the river. like, ever. almost no fish 3 barrel. if you're game selecting properly you can have a river aggression factor approaching infinity without it being a problem.I'm talking about live tournaments btw Link to post Share on other sites
Naked_Cowboy 0 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 I'm talking about live tournaments btwi'm retarded btw.have you read joe navarro's book? Link to post Share on other sites
dna4ever 2 Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 i'm retarded btw.have you read joe navarro's book?i think it's actually Joe's faultNot only have I read his book, I listened to him at a live seminar for like 3 hours at the WSOP Academy.I think I'm picking up false tells or seeing crap that isn't really there. I find myself thinking long, thinking wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Folding is overrated imo Link to post Share on other sites
dna4ever 2 Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 Folding is overrated imoI want to stab people in the eyes when they check raise me. Link to post Share on other sites
Fluffdog87 2 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 i think it's actually Joe's faultNot only have I read his book, I listened to him at a live seminar for like 3 hours at the WSOP Academy.I think I'm picking up false tells or seeing crap that isn't really there. I find myself thinking long, thinking wrong. re-read it but not all at the same time. too much info to remember at once. try to become more comfortable thinking 1 street ahead so you can look for tells with ease. ex. You raise QQ pf and get 1 caller in a cash game. if you know what your standard play is you can focus on other things ex if flop is T64 ill usually bet 70% or something like that.If u spots tells live u must celebrate and dance at the table.Joe Navarro CIA Poker Secrets 1 Link to post Share on other sites
vbnautilus 48 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 You have to accept that you are going to be bluffed some times. From a game theory perspective if you were to play such that you avoided ever being bluffed, you would have to call way too much. In other words, even if you are playing optimally you are allowing some bluffs to succeed. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Are you looking only at that bet on the end? If so, it may be part of your leak, because the overall betting tells a story that may be misleading but doesn't lie. I think people bluff less than it seems, yet more than I think, but that's my own perspective.For example, if the guy opening for a 3x BB raise is the only guy left with you at the end and he shoves the river forcing you to a decision for a lot of $ or chips, you probably beat if you have a less than nuts hand. If the guy was a limper, you still might be beat, but you need to use every street to reevaluate what villain's range might be. Bet sizing, position, board texture, previous hands with the villain...all of these things add nuance to your interpretation of what is happening and there are many ways to go wrong, so you'll need to construct a way to process all this info without driving yourself batshit crazy.Intuition is your friend, also. Your gut may be telling yu something other than what yuor head wants to hear...For example:Yesterday, coming up on the bubble in a MTT, I get AT in MP. I was going to fold if it got to me, but the guy to my right limped. I thought, if I limp and get to see a flop it would be a good thing. So I do. A couple of folds, a limp by the big stack on the button and an option check from the BB and 5 people see a flop of A K x. Check, check, guy to my right bets 1600 into a 4800 pot. I call, putting the guy on a weak A or Kx. Another fold behind me. Turn is x, guy bets 1600 again and my gut is telling me LOOK OUT!!! AK!!!!, but my head tells me "No way would someone limp AK from MP". I call anyway. River is another x and the guy fires out 3200. Good pot odds all along, which should have told me something. I call...guy flips up AK for TTP and I'm pretty much toast...didn't even make the money.Things I did wrong: Limped with a weak-ish A; called some bets because of good pot odds; made a horrible crying call on the end; didn't listen to my instincts. I thought the guy was bluffing with a crappy A...my gut told me I was wrong and should get out, but I didn't listen. My punishment for playing solid poker for over 3 hours...Dunno if this helps and it certainly isn't the whole picture, being that it's coming from me :-) Link to post Share on other sites
Sportsmack 0 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 I want to stab people in the eyes when they check raise me.problem solved. Link to post Share on other sites
JSpencer 0 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 I want to stab people in the eyes when they check raise me.Well if you'd follow through I doubt anyone would be willing to check raise you again. Link to post Share on other sites
vvganeshavv 4 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 I want to stab people in the eyes when they check raise me.i want to stab you in the eye for 90% of your posts Link to post Share on other sites
grocery_mony 8 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I like to make queen high river hero calls. It only works about 1 in every 20 times but when it does its pretty sweet. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Remember when the coolest poker phrae to quote was: "Top pros can lay down the best hand."Then we all turned on that line, because we are suppose to win every hand through the best cards or the most aggressive move.I still like that line.Phil Hellmuth does too...that should say it all. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 i want to stab you in the eye for 90% of your postsLOL!Shaver, oneDNA, pwnedCalling the river has killed many a roll. STOP IT! Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 i want to stab you in the eye for 90% of your posts what a shitty story he called the shit poop i said WHAT A SHITTY STORY!ya see .... the story was about poop ..... which is also known as shit .....LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ZI have NO Idea what you're talking about! Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 this is a very tough thing to get over, epecially when it feels like you can't catch a hand. Link to post Share on other sites
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