NickZepp 0 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 When Obama campaigned he was against Bush in every way. He wanted to get rid of the lobbyest, the cronies the spending, the War in Iraq(which we are moving out of there not thanks to Obama). He wanted to change everything. Let's see how he's done on those big issues. Earmarks-one of the first bills Obama signed was filled with earmarks and even though he's stated he's against earmarks in 2009 there still have been some that have come through in 2009 also. Lobbyist are evil. Or are they?http://www.usnews.com/blogs/robert-schlesi...-lobbyists.htmlObama talked about the spending under Bush There are also other interviews where Obama says he's the only candidate proven to control spending. So Obama is leading on controlling spending, or he's going to make Bush's spending look like it was nothing. Passes the biggest spending bill ever and then is looking to pass another and the cap and trade and healthcare bills are just more spending bills. Here's a chart on the projected spending after what Obama has passedThe cronyism that was criticized under Bush, has been done much more by Obama with all these Czars which are mostly cronies from his life, are good for America even though they get to do stuff without looking at the constitution? Democrats were critical of the Patriot Bill and that's been extended now.Where is this anti-Bush Obama right now? Did he just play us all along about this change stuff? Link to post Share on other sites
strategy 4 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 There is no way Obama could ever get that much spending pushed through. And if he somehow did, the dems would rightfully be skewered and removed from power for many years. At some point, governments abroad *will* stop lending us money...I don't have any special faith in Obama's budgeting abilities, it's just that you kinda have to throw out this year's data point because it was the worst recession in a very long time. Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 I don't have any special faith in Obama's budgeting abilities, it's just that you kinda have to throw out this year's data point because it was the worst recession in a very long time.Anyone can lead during good times (well, except maybe W). It's the bad times that test true leadership.When Reagan entered office, he was told he couldn't do the things necessary to make the economy recover, but he did them anyway. His approval suffered badly at first, but then the economy recovered and people re-elected him.What has Obama done? Business as usual, and move after move that will lead to further destruction of the economy.There's a difference between a politician and a statesman. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 They are pretty much polar opposites on a large number of issues (including 90% of foreign policy). So yes he is different but on domestic spending there are similarities since Bush spent like a fringe Democrat. Link to post Share on other sites
strategy 4 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Anyone can lead during good times (well, except maybe W). It's the bad times that test true leadership.When Reagan entered office, he was told he couldn't do the things necessary to make the economy recover, but he did them anyway. His approval suffered badly at first, but then the economy recovered and people re-elected him.What has Obama done? Business as usual, and move after move that will lead to further destruction of the economy.There's a difference between a politician and a statesman.I was just explaining why I don't buy these projections when they all obviously see this year's spending as a sign of things to come. this was a massive outlier of a budget year. it won't happen again unless the market reverses in a big way.we've been over this before, though. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 I was just explaining why I don't buy these projections when they all obviously see this year's spending as a sign of things to come. this was a massive outlier of a budget year. it won't happen again unless the market reverses in a big way. healthcare program is enacted.we've been over this before, though.fyp Link to post Share on other sites
strategy 4 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 fypI am about to the point where I'll insta-vom if I have to read any more discussion on it here. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 I am about to the point where I'll insta-vom if I have to read any more discussion on it here.Sorry, I'll change it to cap and trade bill?And for future reference, it's insta-hurl, not insta-vomit...your cool points fly out the window if you say vomit Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Anyone can lead during good times (well, except maybe W). It's the bad times that test true leadership.When Reagan entered office, he was told he couldn't do the things necessary to make the economy recover, but he did them anyway. His approval suffered badly at first, but then the economy recovered and people re-elected him.What has Obama done? Business as usual, and move after move that will lead to further destruction of the economy.There's a difference between a politician and a statesman.In the new age of 24/7 vulture media and twitter and youtube, I am not sure it was politically possible to let everyone fail and endure 18 months of a true depression.just saying. Link to post Share on other sites
Sal Paradise 57 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 In the new age of 24/7 vulture media and twitter and youtube, I am not sure it was politically possible to let everyone fail and endure 18 months of a true depression.just saying.which is really the thing I hate him the most for. I mean NINE HUNDRED DOLLARS worth of ammo. and now what am I supposed to do with it? Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 In the new age of 24/7 vulture media and twitter and youtube, I am not sure it was politically possible to let everyone fail and endure 18 months of a true depression.just saying.A true statesman does what is good for the country. A politician does what is good for poll numbers, even if it's bad for the country.It's clear which one Obama is.The good news for us and bad news for him is that buying poll numbers by wrecking the economy is short-term on both of those things. Link to post Share on other sites
NickZepp 0 Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share Posted August 8, 2009 They are pretty much polar opposites on a large number of issues (including 90% of foreign policy). So yes he is different but on domestic spending there are similarities since Bush spent like a fringe Democrat.I really don't care about foreign policy because it really doesn't mean much to the American people when you get down to it. It doesn't make France like us better that Obama is in office. They hate everyone anyway. It doesn't make Al Queda suddenly like us either. They still think we are infidels no matter what. So what he kisses the ass of some Mexican president or he tries to make up with communist Russia. Doesn't really do anything for me. What he's doing right now is really hurting the long term of Americans. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 A true statesman does what is good for the country. A politician does what is good for poll numbers, even if it's bad for the country.It's clear which one Obama is.The good news for us and bad news for him is that buying poll numbers by wrecking the economy is short-term on both of those things.I don't particularly care about your defining of statesman and politician, but it's pretty obvious that you just came up with that so you could laud Regan and bash Obama. Obama isn't doing what he's doing (for the most part) because of poll numbers. He's doing what he's doing because he believes it's the right thing to do. You can't criticise him for being and idiot/ignorant/misguided/socialist then criticise him for being a malevolent sinister careerist politician who knows he's destroying the economy but chooses to do so because of poll numbers. Obviously, it's politics and all politicians are guided to some extent by their desire to win elections. There's just no evidence that Obama is substantially more so than the average American president or politician. Link to post Share on other sites
NickZepp 0 Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share Posted August 8, 2009 I don't particularly care about your defining of statesman and politician, but it's pretty obvious that you just came up with that so you could laud Regan and bash Obama. Obama isn't doing what he's doing (for the most part) because of poll numbers. He's doing what he's doing because he believes it's the right thing to do. You can't criticise him for being and idiot/ignorant/misguided/socialist then criticise him for being a malevolent sinister careerist politician who knows he's destroying the economy but chooses to do so because of poll numbers. Obviously, it's politics and all politicians are guided to some extent by their desire to win elections. There's just no evidence that Obama is substantially more so than the average American president or politician.Well he was all about change and ended up being about more the same bullshit. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Well he was all about change and ended up being about more the same bullshit.If it's all the same bullshit, why are so many Bush loving Republicans complaining? Either they didn't like Bush or they think something (drastic) has changed. You can't have it both ways. Link to post Share on other sites
NickZepp 0 Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share Posted August 8, 2009 If it's all the same bullshit, why are so many Bush loving Republicans complaining? Either they didn't like Bush or they think something (drastic) has changed. You can't have it both ways.I despise Bush. He's a liberal idiot. I don't understand how any conservative can really like what he did in his Presidency. It was anything but conservative. Nothing drastic has changed. We just got Bush v. 2.0 Link to post Share on other sites
BigLebowski 0 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 When people try to compare Obama to Bush and the Obama campaign to his actions why do they conveniently forget all hell broke loose the year leading up to the election? Sure, he could have changed his tune a bit, but there was so much being hidden and so much disinformation being spread that no one, not even a presidential candidate, had a clue on how it was going to shake out. For all intents and purposes both candidates should have run on the platform that there might not be any money to do anything and no promises can be made during these turbulent times. Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Obama isn't doing what he's doing (for the most part) because of poll numbers. He's doing what he's doing because he believes it's the right thing to do. You can't criticise him for being and idiot/ignorant/misguided/socialist then criticise him for being a malevolent sinister careerist politician who knows he's destroying the economy but chooses to do so because of poll numbers. Obviously, it's politics and all politicians are guided to some extent by their desire to win elections. There's just no evidence that Obama is substantially more so than the average American president or politician.Fair enough. I generally concede that he is EITHER a total idiot OR he is a corrupt, soulless, evil human. In my post I was addressing one side of the issue, but I can fully accept the other explanation. Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 When people try to compare Obama to Bush and the Obama campaign to his actions why do they conveniently forget all hell broke loose the year leading up to the election? Sure, he could have changed his tune a bit, but there was so much being hidden and so much disinformation being spread that no one, not even a presidential candidate, had a clue on how it was going to shake out. For all intents and purposes both candidates should have run on the platform that there might not be any money to do anything and no promises can be made during these turbulent times.It was clear what was going on over two months before the election, but it didn't change Obama's tune at all except to start blaming Bush for his (Obama's) eventual failures. If Obama was too stupid to see what state the economy was in, he really shouldn't even be in charge of his own checkbook, much less the country. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 If it's all the same bullshit, why are so many Bush loving Republicans complaining? Either they didn't like Bush or they think something (drastic) has changed. You can't have it both ways.I don't know one single conservative on this site that thought Bush's fiscal policy was great, good, or even just ok. You're not paying attention. Link to post Share on other sites
lolly.gag.her 0 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 I am about to the point where I'll insta-vom if I have to read any more discussion on it here. i want to take a minute and discuss this term insta-vomas soon as i read this, i insta-thought this guy must know about his vomiting. he must be in the knowi call world of warcraft by its name, my 16 yr old niece calls it wowsince i found out this nickname by those that are familiar, i have tried to use wow when referencing world of warcraft - i sound phony, i cant sound believableso i am 50/50 on if this is genuine or posing in type form , since this poster has a few more post than me i am leaning towards legit-ness Link to post Share on other sites
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