Mongoose6 0 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 $13 6max Sng. The reason i almost minraised the flop was that i took this exact line with this guy 3 hands before. Bet 410 on turn, and shoved river, then showed my bluff :)Is this a made flush or a buff?Thanks in advance.Poker Stars $12+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 5 playersThe Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.comUTG: t1955 M = 43.44CO: t2260 M = 50.22Hero (BTN): t1745 M = 38.78SB: t2240 M = 49.78BB: t800 M = 17.78Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN with A:club: T:club:2 folds, Hero raises to t100, SB calls t85, 1 foldFlop: (t230) 7:diamond: A:heart: J:diamond: (2 players)SB bets t90, Hero raises to t220, SB calls t130Turn: (t670) 2:club: (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets t410, SB calls t410River: (t1490) T:diamond: (2 players)SB bets t1510 all inHero?? Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 I dont really care about the hand 3 hands prior, your bet sizes are terrible. If anything it makes you look strong. Most people don't do the exact same thing when they bluff twice in a row. Odds are villain realized you were pretty strong, but since you gave him decent odds, and pretty good implied odds he called, spiked the river, and got you to spew off here.Post in the strat forum btw Link to post Share on other sites
StarsFTW 0 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 I would raise much bigger on flop. Maybe to like T350, I think when you raise to t220 not only do you give him great odds but your hand also looks very strong. Still i would call the river. He can be shoving with two pair, flush or made hand turned into bluff. I dont exactly love the situation, but still it seems like a must call. Link to post Share on other sites
Mongoose6 0 Posted April 21, 2009 Author Share Posted April 21, 2009 I dont really care about the hand 3 hands prior, your bet sizes are terrible. If anything it makes you look strong. Most people don't do the exact same thing when they bluff twice in a row. Odds are villain realized you were pretty strong, but since you gave him decent odds, and pretty good implied odds he called, spiked the river, and got you to spew off here.Post in the strat forum btw Bout the bolded - can i move it myself?And the rest, i find, and this is over quite a lot of play at these games, that bluffing a guy 2 times works an awful lot of the time.But, what would you do here, given his shove? Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 lol at first 2 responses... his bet sizing is fine. Doubt you can fold river with 2 PURRS. Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 Bout the bolded - can i move it myself?And the rest, i find, and this is over quite a lot of play at these games, that bluffing a guy 2 times works an awful lot of the time.But, what would you do here, given his shove?No, a mod will, just letting you know for next time.lol at first 2 responses... his bet sizing is fine. Doubt you can fold river with 2 PURRS.raising 130 into a 540 pot is fine bet sizing with 84 draws on the flop? do explain. Link to post Share on other sites
HiN8s 0 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 Bet sizing is fine IMO. I do think you're beat though. I'd fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 No, a mod will, just letting you know for next time.raising 130 into a 540 pot is fine bet sizing with 84 draws on the flop? do explain.The pot is 320 after the first bet. Link to post Share on other sites
StarsFTW 0 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 He should still raise a bit more. If not for any other reason than making sure he gets all the money into the pot when he feels like it. Now if his opponent had checked on river I doubt he would have shoved in. Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 I really doubt a flush is shoving the river there for value, and I don't think a set would be check-calling the turn on an A high/flush draw board knowing that an A will give money and a flush draw will also pay. I'm not folding the river ever.The only thing meh i find is the preflop raise amount. There's no need to go higher than 90 imo. Link to post Share on other sites
Mongoose6 0 Posted April 21, 2009 Author Share Posted April 21, 2009 Thanks for all your responses so far. Im really intrigued to hear all your opinionsFor all those who say my bet sizing was wrong, was my reasons stated not good enough?But how much would you bet on flop? and turn?And how many of you would call this river push?! Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 The pot is 320 after the first bet.bleh, we're both wrong.230 pot + 90 bet + 90 call(before to raise)....no?that makes the pot 410 when OP raises. Even if it was only 320, an additional is still to small given the draw heavy board. The turn bet is fine, actually. I guess I misread that, I thought you were giving him like 3-1....me are dumb Link to post Share on other sites
four10 lkc 0 Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 bleh, we're both wrong.230 pot + 90 bet + 90 call(before to raise)....no?that makes the pot 410 when OP raises. Even if it was only 320, an additional is still to small given the draw heavy board. The turn bet is fine, actually. I guess I misread that, I thought you were giving him like 3-1....me are dumbwell he is getting roughly 2.6:1 to call, and even it were 3 to 1 to call, flush draw alone doesnt make it worth the odds. pair and flush draw maybe. my guess is he had A X diamonds, and youuuu called... amiright? Link to post Share on other sites
Danege 1 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 well he is getting roughly 2.6:1 to call, and even it were 3 to 1 to call, flush draw alone doesnt make it worth the odds. pair and flush draw maybe. my guess is he had A X diamonds, and youuuu called... amiright?Wouldn't Axdd want to get it in on the floop? Link to post Share on other sites
Jimberry 0 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 It's a buff. Link to post Share on other sites
Mongoose6 0 Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 well he is getting roughly 2.6:1 to call, and even it were 3 to 1 to call, flush draw alone doesnt make it worth the odds. pair and flush draw maybe. my guess is he had A X diamonds, and youuuu called... amiright?Partly. I called, but he didnt show AdXd. Any other guesses as to what he has? Link to post Share on other sites
Mongoose6 0 Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 Wouldn't Axdd want to get it in on the floop?Ye, thats what i thought, surely he would 3bet me on the flop. Then again, i have seen some strange play at this level.By the way, i was playing the $25 6max SnG's last night, and the play is exactly the same. Any of you guys play $38, or $60 SnG's on Stars? How is the play generally? Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Partly. I called, but he didnt show AdXd. Any other guesses as to what he has?A 8 off? Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Partly. I called, but he didnt show AdXd. Any other guesses as to what he has?Kd3d, ldo Link to post Share on other sites
James D 0 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 [x] OP with low post count posts a strat hand in General[x] People critisize bet sizing[x] vtlaxer says bet sizing is fine[x] others say bet sizing is now fine[x] there would have been more people critisizing bet sizing if vtlaxer had not posted[x] use of passe, dare I say 'retro' checkboxes Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 That bet sizing is appalling absolutely fine! Link to post Share on other sites
Whatever 1 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I've never seen better bet sizing. Link to post Share on other sites
Mongoose6 0 Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 [x] OP with low post count posts a strat hand in General[x] People critisize bet sizing[x] vtlaxer says bet sizing is fine[x] others say bet sizing is now fine[x] there would have been more people critisizing bet sizing if vtlaxer had not posted[x] use of passe, dare I say 'retro' checkboxesI dont get what your trying to say here dude.?As for the hand in question, no-one has guessed it right yet. When will i post the results? Link to post Share on other sites
James D 0 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I dont get what your trying to say here dude.?Well, Mongoose, I guess it was more a reflection of the banality of internet forum hierarchy, rather than an attempt to actually 'say' anything. Link to post Share on other sites
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