EStormOk 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 3 for 3 in these. I might need to play more of them. I agree with the strategy suggested by the last poster. In everyone I have played there have been multiple people playing ultra tight need the bubble, some very good opportunities to steal small pots. Just don't forget how to lay your hand down if someone pushes on you when your stealing. Even if they are a small stack, don't give them life when they are on life support. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 i just noticed something funny. when there are six players left. the short stack goes all in.if a few of them can call everybody who can should call and check it down.of course this will never happen. Link to post Share on other sites
profxavier9 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I play these on CD Poker, don't ask me why I bother playing on CD Poker. Anyway I'm still new, but I know I'm better than 50% of the field, these things are perfect for me to gain a roll. Been doing well enough so far getting my feet wet.SPAM!!!! you cant get that shit by me. Nice touch by slightly degrading the company you spam for. Link to post Share on other sites
Poppy Hillis 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 im not entirly sure, but after playing a few of these in which i got unlucky and came out ahead anyway (4 wins 2 losses) i do not think the correct strategy is exactly playing overly tight. i think the correct strategy is to take advantage of the other players tendencies to play overly tight and keep yourself hovering around 2000 chips. also, do not do anything that puts your stack at risk unless you can absolutly help it. let the blinds knock people out, don't make loose all in calls from the bb becouse you have good odds. you are better off letting them steal then having them double up. every chip you lose in these are worth a lot more than any chip you gain, way more so than a normal sng. in other words, steal small pots in position, especially once you hit like the third level.That's what I've found to be the best way to play these. Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I think the most important factor for success in these is the ability to avoid big pots postflop without extremely strong hands. Even most donkeys can recognize the need to play tight preflop and implement a fairly successful preflop strategy, but where most will make their mistakes is in committing too many chips postflop when it's not necessary to do so. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I think the most important factor for success in these is the ability to avoid big pots postflop without extremely strong hands. Even most donkeys can recognize the need to play tight preflop and implement a fairly successful preflop strategy, but where most will make their mistakes is in committing too many chips postflop when it's not necessary to do so.i would just say avoiding big pots postflop in general even with really strong hands.lets say its at level 4. eight players left. you have 3500. you're in the bb with 22. somebody limps, the sb completes and you check and the flop comes 2 a j with two spades. the sb also has 3500. the sb flips over 56 spades and shoves. depending on how short the short stacks are i consider folding. Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 How about this one?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00+$0.20 Tournament, 50/100 Blinds 10 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comSB (t1305)Hero (BB) (t1345)UTG (t1440)UTG+1 (t1375)MP1 (t1255)MP2 (t2060)CO (t2950)Button (t1145)Preflop: Hero is BB with J, 84 folds, MP2 calls t100, 3 folds, Hero checksFlop: (t340) 9, 10, Q(2 players)Hero bets t100, MP2 raises to t1950 (All-In), Hero calls t1135 (All-In)Turn: (t2810) 10(2 players, 2 all-in)River: (t2810) 2(2 players, 2 all-in)Total pot: t2810 Link to post Share on other sites
herly33 1 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 these are very profitable,im 3 for 3 at the $5.50 levelplay tight, don't do anything stupid, and let the nits play it like a regular sittyalso a good way to rack up FPP'sTHANK YOU PSTARSThis will do wonders for my sharkscope stats!! Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 How about this one?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00+$0.20 Tournament, 50/100 Blinds 10 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comSB (t1305)Hero (BB) (t1345)UTG (t1440)UTG+1 (t1375)MP1 (t1255)MP2 (t2060)CO (t2950)Button (t1145)Preflop: Hero is BB with J, 84 folds, MP2 calls t100, 3 folds, Hero checksFlop: (t340) 9, 10, Q(2 players)Hero bets t100, MP2 raises to t1950 (All-In), Hero calls t1135 (All-In)Turn: (t2810) 10(2 players, 2 all-in)River: (t2810) 2(2 players, 2 all-in)Total pot: t2810looks good to me. if you had 4000 chips and were in the hand with somebody who could cripple you and it felt like they wanted to get it in i would be weary. by level 4 if you have 4k chips you should never need to win another chip to cash.i am actually in the process of figuring out exactly where the lines are regarding stack size and level where you should fold aces to a shove by somebody who can cripple you. i think this could be figured out exactly. i am not going to make my findings on this public for as long as i feel like grinding these, but if somebody wants to help me we can both have this information. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 these things are kind of frustrating becouse the table sort of needs to work together sometimes and other people are just so stupidi try to isolate a short stack and he 3 bets me with this? he has 3675 chips, why would he play around with me when he has nothing to win and everything to lose? and of course because of him the short stack gets to live. PokerStars Game #20956838177: Tournament #112357629, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/10/05 18:06:05 ETTable '112357629 1' 10-max Seat #10 is the buttonSeat 1: shoes4kids (3675 in chips) Seat 2: yobaet (855 in chips) Seat 3: The Criminal (3415 in chips) Seat 5: rickypapro (690 in chips) Seat 6: TheOldOne55 (1420 in chips) Seat 7: conga38 (1240 in chips) Seat 8: antistuff (2750 in chips) Seat 10: bob2005_2 (955 in chips) shoes4kids: posts the ante 10yobaet: posts the ante 10The Criminal: posts the ante 10rickypapro: posts the ante 10TheOldOne55: posts the ante 10conga38: posts the ante 10antistuff: posts the ante 10bob2005_2: posts the ante 10shoes4kids: posts small blind 50yobaet: posts big blind 100*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to antistuff [Ad Qc]The Criminal: folds rickypapro: raises 200 to 300TheOldOne55: folds conga38: folds antistuff: raises 300 to 600bob2005_2: folds shoes4kids: raises 300 to 900yobaet: folds rickypapro: calls 380 and is all-inantistuff: folds Uncalled bet (220) returned to shoes4kids*** FLOP *** [2d Kd Td]*** TURN *** [2d Kd Td] [5d]*** RIVER *** [2d Kd Td 5d] [8h]*** SHOW DOWN ***shoes4kids: shows [Ac Jc] (high card Ace)rickypapro: shows [Qh Qd] (a flush, King high)rickypapro collected 2140 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 2140 | Rake 0 Board [2d Kd Td 5d 8h]Seat 1: shoes4kids (small blind) showed [Ac Jc] and lost with high card AceSeat 2: yobaet (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: The Criminal folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: rickypapro showed [Qh Qd] and won (2140) with a flush, King highSeat 6: TheOldOne55 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: conga38 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: antistuff folded before FlopSeat 10: bob2005_2 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Link to post Share on other sites
ahosang 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 these things are kind of frustrating becouse the table sort of needs to work together sometimes and other people are just so stupidAn unfortunate part of multiway games is the reluctance of other fish to 'do the right thing'. Stud8 especially suffers from this, but you flag up another example... Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 An unfortunate part of multiway games is the reluctance of other fish to 'do the right thing'. Stud8 especially suffers from this, but you flag up another example...ahem.other fish? Link to post Share on other sites
dt1313 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 these things are kind of frustrating becouse the table sort of needs to work together sometimes and other people are just so stupidi try to isolate a short stack and he 3 bets me with this? he has 3675 chips, why would he play around with me when he has nothing to win and everything to lose? and of course because of him the short stack gets to live. PokerStars Game #20956838177: Tournament #112357629, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/10/05 18:06:05 ETTable '112357629 1' 10-max Seat #10 is the buttonSeat 1: shoes4kids (3675 in chips) Seat 2: yobaet (855 in chips) Seat 3: The Criminal (3415 in chips) Seat 5: rickypapro (690 in chips) Seat 6: TheOldOne55 (1420 in chips) Seat 7: conga38 (1240 in chips) Seat 8: antistuff (2750 in chips) Seat 10: bob2005_2 (955 in chips) shoes4kids: posts the ante 10yobaet: posts the ante 10The Criminal: posts the ante 10rickypapro: posts the ante 10TheOldOne55: posts the ante 10conga38: posts the ante 10antistuff: posts the ante 10bob2005_2: posts the ante 10shoes4kids: posts small blind 50yobaet: posts big blind 100*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to antistuff [Ad Qc]The Criminal: folds rickypapro: raises 200 to 300TheOldOne55: folds conga38: folds antistuff: raises 300 to 600bob2005_2: folds shoes4kids: raises 300 to 900yobaet: folds rickypapro: calls 380 and is all-inantistuff: folds Uncalled bet (220) returned to shoes4kids*** FLOP *** [2d Kd Td]*** TURN *** [2d Kd Td] [5d]*** RIVER *** [2d Kd Td 5d] [8h]*** SHOW DOWN ***shoes4kids: shows [Ac Jc] (high card Ace)rickypapro: shows [Qh Qd] (a flush, King high)rickypapro collected 2140 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 2140 | Rake 0 Board [2d Kd Td 5d 8h]Seat 1: shoes4kids (small blind) showed [Ac Jc] and lost with high card AceSeat 2: yobaet (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: The Criminal folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: rickypapro showed [Qh Qd] and won (2140) with a flush, King highSeat 6: TheOldOne55 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: conga38 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: antistuff folded before FlopSeat 10: bob2005_2 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Would it be horrible to call here and see the flop ? It's an extra 300 to see the flop and you know the short stack has come along so you know the pot is already there for you.Hopefully the other large stack does "work" with you and it goes check check on the flop. Or (maybe a little result oriented here) you can call a continuation bet consindering that's a flop you'd like.Dan Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Would it be horrible to call here and see the flop ? It's an extra 300 to see the flop and you know the short stack has come along so you know the pot is already there for you.Hopefully the other large stack does "work" with you and it goes check check on the flop. Or (maybe a little result oriented here) you can call a continuation bet consindering that's a flop you'd like.Danhe wont work with me and 300 is worth a lot to me with a stack size of around 2k and three players below 1k. he would bluff into a dry side pot with 3 high on an all in with six players left. Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 so has anyone confirmed that siting out the whole way is +ev?I tried sitting out of a few $1.10's tonight and I'm now convinced that thanks to the new turbo structure the sitting out strategery is doomed to fail. I basically got blinded out on all the tables before we got to the top 5, though I got lucky that the bubble broke before my stack vanished on one table. I think sitting out would have been a viable strategy before they changed them to turbos...which could very well be why they changed them to turbos... Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I tried sitting out of a few $1.10's tonight and I'm now convinced that thanks to the new turbo structure the sitting out strategery is doomed to fail. I basically got blinded out on all the tables before we got to the top 5, though I got lucky that the bubble broke before my stack vanished on one table. I think sitting out would have been a viable strategy before they changed them to turbos...which could very well be why they changed them to turbos...the average stack when games end averages about 2200. the games usually end between levels 6 and 9. im estimating that you need to win around 3k in chips over the course of a game to make the money (small sample size though, i am trying to collect enough data to get these numbers exact). for some reason these games have gotten me very curious. Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 3k chips would allow you to fold your way to the money but if 2200 is the average then you should also be fine on the low side of the average (1500ish) if you don't make any costly mistakes down the stretch. In fact, I think a reasonable goal is to work at keeping your stack at least around the starting stack level. Link to post Share on other sites
dt1313 0 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Anti. We're in one now together. Do you have your chat on ?Dan Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Anti. We're in one now together. Do you have your chat on ?Danwhich one?oh.lol. 3 outer. Link to post Share on other sites
Stiles2004 0 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 4 tabling 11 dollars... see how this goesDoesnt help I cracked in 10th on one of them... Link to post Share on other sites
Stiles2004 0 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Won 3 of 4... easy money IMHO Link to post Share on other sites
Poppy Hillis 0 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 What levels is everyone playing? I started in the 11's to see what the deal was and I'm 13 for 18. Going to go to the 22's tonight. How comparable are the higher levels?Edit: 3 of my losses were my own fault because I was bored and another was a 2 outer. The 11's atleast are easily beatable if you want to grind it out at those levels, which I'm not willing to do, but these are like playing in 2003 again. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,355 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Interesting format. Never has the gap concept been so strong. My general strategy is to stay out of pots, let people bust... then, when the blinds get 50/100, get super aggressive.. but only when I have the smallest or the second smallest stack ( and only if I have the smallest when it's 6 handed). I want to get ahold of chips, as fast as I can as the smallest stack, because you want to be able to push all in and steal the blinds with a large enough stack that people should ( correctly) fold to your raise with almost any hand. Also, if someone errs and calls you, and you double up, you can be pretty assured you're going to make the money. I see too many people wait far too long with a small stack, and let their stack dwindle untill it's trivially small. There's no reason to wait to push when you have the smallest stack, people are going to be waiting for you to bust out anyway.. I think, if it's like say, 7 handed, and you have, say, 1300 in chips, you should pretty much push 100 percent of the time when it's folded to you, when the blinds are 50/100 and higher. That way, you can steal your way out of last place, and put maximum pressure on hands.. I know I would be reluctant to call with a hand as good as AK when I have 2400 in chips, because if I lose, then I become super at risk stack, and winning the pot doesn't really effect your chances to cash that much.Also, I'm proud to say, I've had my first chance to fold AA preflop in this tourney. The blinds were 200/400, I had like 4000 chips, and the UTG had only like 250 in chips left, I had AA in the small blind... I didn't even complete the blind, I just folded. The UTG was about to be all in in the big blind, and getting involved in a pot with the BB, where I could lose over half my stack. I was virtually guaranteed cash, there's no reason to risk anything in that spot. Link to post Share on other sites
wsox8 10 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 PokerStars Game #20961435647: Tournament #112391711, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/10/05 21:15:04 ETTable '112391711 1' 10-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: tnguyen19 (1756 in chips) Seat 2: Kahuna7 (2703 in chips) Seat 4: Wsox08 (4025 in chips) Seat 5: mg-sandra-mg (2766 in chips) Seat 7: dnovak51 (1600 in chips) Seat 8: 22morrow (1545 in chips) Seat 10: Yoga DeCisne (605 in chips) is sitting outtnguyen19: posts the ante 20Kahuna7: posts the ante 20Wsox08: posts the ante 20mg-sandra-mg: posts the ante 20dnovak51: posts the ante 2022morrow: posts the ante 20Yoga DeCisne: posts the ante 20Yoga DeCisne: posts small blind 100tnguyen19: posts big blind 200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Wsox08 [Kd As]Kahuna7: folds Wsox08: raises 235 to 435mg-sandra-mg: folds dnovak51: folds 22morrow: folds Yoga DeCisne: folds tnguyen19: raises 1301 to 1736 and is all-inWsox08: calls 1301*** FLOP *** [Jh 7d 4c]*** TURN *** [Jh 7d 4c] [6h]*** RIVER *** [Jh 7d 4c 6h] [Th]Wsox08 said, "nice play"*** SHOW DOWN ***tnguyen19: shows [4h 2c] (a pair of Fours)Wsox08: shows [Kd As] (high card Ace)tnguyen19 collected 3712 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 3712 | Rake 0 Board [Jh 7d 4c 6h Th]Seat 1: tnguyen19 (big blind) showed [4h 2c] and won (3712) with a pair of FoursSeat 2: Kahuna7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: Wsox08 showed [Kd As] and lost with high card AceSeat 5: mg-sandra-mg folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: dnovak51 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: 22morrow (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 10: Yoga DeCisne (small blind) folded before Floptnguyen19: thought you were trying to steal blind Link to post Share on other sites
wsox8 10 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 2 for 2 in the $2 ones3 for 3 in the $5 onesI love these things. Link to post Share on other sites
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