Mixed Game Challenge Thread

[gfdsa146 0]

yes, and seeing as how no fours are dead, i'm capping that street every time. rough 6th and 7th.analyzing 5th in stud8 is similar to the flop in o8 since two cards are yet to come, although you have to take dead cards into account a lot more. considering the action from the high door cards, you can safely assume that more high cards are dead than low cards by a wide-ish margin, and are better than the 57%-ish to make your low that you would have in a vacuum.

Thanks. I always get this sick feeling in my gut if i don't make my low by 5th street and I know i have to take the hand to the river. It always seems like if i get to 5th with no low, I either brick out or make some pathetically small pair.

[uncooper 1]

When y'all check your BB in triple draw, do you keep 8s or only 7+? I would imagine that the more opponents in the hand, the less likely you would be to keep an 8. And the looser the opponents, the more likely would be to keep it?

[gfdsa146 0]

Alright something with a little bit more strat contentPokerStars Game #20668211000: 7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/09/24 19:40:18 ETTable 'Ilsebill IV' 8-maxSeat 1: rodger chris ($7.75 in chips) Seat 2: XerXoX ($11.95 in chips) Seat 3: pokerron43 ($19.95 in chips) Seat 4: JohnnyBGood1 ($3.15 in chips) Seat 5: gfdsa146 ($7.25 in chips) Seat 6: bingobabe9 ($17.20 in chips) Seat 7: JazzBassist ($5.75 in chips) rodger chris: posts the ante $0.05XerXoX: posts the ante $0.05pokerron43: posts the ante $0.05JohnnyBGood1: posts the ante $0.05gfdsa146: posts the ante $0.05bingobabe9: posts the ante $0.05JazzBassist: posts the ante $0.05*** 3rd STREET ***Dealt to rodger chris [7h]Dealt to XerXoX [Jd]Dealt to pokerron43 [Qd]Dealt to JohnnyBGood1 [Qh]Dealt to gfdsa146 [2c 6c Qc]Dealt to bingobabe9 [3c]Dealt to JazzBassist [5h]bingobabe9: brings in for $0.10JazzBassist: calls $0.10rodger chris: calls $0.10XerXoX: folds pokerron43: folds JohnnyBGood1: folds gfdsa146: calls $0.10 ----> Don't really think I can raise it here with all my queens dead. Only one club dead though. Limp seems fine.*** 4th STREET ***Dealt to rodger chris [7h] [Js]Dealt to gfdsa146 [2c 6c Qc] [3d]Dealt to bingobabe9 [3c] [7s]Dealt to JazzBassist [5h] [As]JazzBassist: bets $0.25rodger chris: calls $0.25gfdsa146: calls $0.25 ----> Can i call here with only one dead club and three to a 6-low? My opponents boards look particularly strong, so I'm not sure if I'm live enough in the low direction to justify this. If my opponents' boards were a little rougher like if bingobabe had 38 showing and jazzbassist had 58 showing, is this a clearcut call? bingobabe9: calls $0.25*** 5th STREET ***Dealt to rodger chris [7h Js] [3h]Dealt to gfdsa146 [2c 6c Qc 3d] [Ac]Dealt to bingobabe9 [3c 7s] [6d]Dealt to JazzBassist [5h As] [7c]gfdsa146: checks bingobabe9: checks JazzBassist: bets $0.50rodger chris: folds gfdsa146: calls $0.50 ---> Dunno, seems like a standard call to mebingobabe9: calls $0.50*** 6th STREET ***Dealt to gfdsa146 [2c 6c Qc 3d Ac] [4h]Dealt to bingobabe9 [3c 7s 6d] [Ad]Dealt to JazzBassist [5h As 7c] [Jc]gfdsa146: checks ---> Was going for a c/r here, but realized after I checked that JazzBassist might not have lead again after bingobabe9's board telecasted at least a 7-lowbingobabe9: checks JazzBassist: checks *** RIVER ***Dealt to gfdsa146 [2c 6c Qc 3d Ac 4h] [Tc] gfdsa146: bets $0.50 ----> Luckbox obvbingobabe9: calls $0.50JazzBassist: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***gfdsa146: shows [2c 6c Qc 3d Ac 4h Tc] (HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 6,4,3,2,A)bingobabe9: mucks hand JazzBassist: mucks hand gfdsa146 collected $2.30 from potgfdsa146 collected $2.25 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $4.75 | Rake $0.20 Seat 1: rodger chris folded on the 5th StreetSeat 2: XerXoX folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)Seat 3: pokerron43 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)Seat 4: JohnnyBGood1 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)Seat 5: gfdsa146 showed [2c 6c Qc 3d Ac 4h Tc] and won ($4.55) with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 6,4,3,2,ASeat 6: bingobabe9 mucked [Ks 9s 3c 7s 6d Ad 8h]Seat 7: JazzBassist mucked [6s Ah 5h As 7c Jc 9h]

[checkymcfold 0]

if you're not gonna call 4th, you shoudln't play the hand :)cap 5th, rest is ok, but i wouldn't ever try to c/r against idiots.

[gfdsa146 0]

if you're not gonna call 4th, you shoudln't play the hand WAT? I'm not really a favorite in EITHER direction, why am I getting most my money in when I'm being sandwiched?edit: i thought checky wrote "if you're not gonna cap 4th . . ." So is the call -EV against boards as strong as those? Is the call +EV against weaker boards?cap 5th, rest is ok, but i wouldn't ever try to c/r against idiots.Am I really that strong in the high direction to be capping 5th?

[checkymcfold 0]

you have a 4flush and 4 to a six low, i'm awwww eeeeen.what i mean about fourth is that you played a speculative hand and caught good with it. if you're playing that kinda hand to start, you'd better be continuing with it when it improves.

[gfdsa146 0]

you have a 4flush and 4 to a six low, i'm awwww eeeeen.what i mean about fourth is that you played a speculative hand and caught good with it. if you're playing that kinda hand to start, you'd better be continuing with it when it improves.

oh alright, thx.

[jmbreslin 0]

Could I have played this one any differently?Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($0.10/$0.20) (converter)SB ($4.20), Seat 6BB ($5.83), Seat 1UTG ($1.17), Seat 2Hero ($7.37), Seat 3CO ($4.15), Seat 4Button ($10.63), Seat 5Button at Seat 5.SB posts $0.05. BB posts $0.10. Hand: [Ac 5s 4s 2d 3d]Round 1: (1.50 SB)UTG folds. Hero raises. CO folds. Button raises. SB folds. BB folds. Hero calls. Hero discards Ac. Button stands pat. Hand: [5s 4s 2d 3d Ks]Round 2: (7.50 SB)Hero checks. Button bets. Hero calls. Hero discards Ks. Button stands pat. Hand: [5s 4s 2d 3d Jh]Round 3: (4.75 BB)Hero checks. Button bets. Hero calls. Hero discards Jh. Button stands pat. Hand: [5s 4s 2d 3d 9d]Round 4: (6.75 BB)Hero checks. Button bets. Hero folds. Total pot: (6.75 BB - $1.35)

[silkyjonson 1]

Had a really good session of 15/30 o8. Was 2 tabling and had a guy who was 3 betting hands like a688 and I had position on him so I was doing a lot of 4 betting and crushing his dreams. Might go back and look for some interesting hands if I can find them.

[Pdiddydog 0]

Could I have played this one any differently?Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($0.10/$0.20) (converter)SB ($4.20), Seat 6BB ($5.83), Seat 1UTG ($1.17), Seat 2Hero ($7.37), Seat 3CO ($4.15), Seat 4Button ($10.63), Seat 5Button at Seat 5.SB posts $0.05. BB posts $0.10. Hand: [Ac 5s 4s 2d 3d]Round 1: (1.50 SB)UTG folds. Hero raises. CO folds. Button raises. SB folds. BB folds. Hero calls. Hero discards Ac. Button stands pat. Hand: [5s 4s 2d 3d Ks]Round 2: (7.50 SB)Hero checks. Button bets. Hero calls. Hero discards Ks. Button stands pat. Hand: [5s 4s 2d 3d Jh]Round 3: (4.75 BB)Hero checks. Button bets. Hero calls. Hero discards Jh. Button stands pat. Hand: [5s 4s 2d 3d 9d]Round 4: (6.75 BB)Hero checks. Button bets. Hero folds. Total pot: (6.75 BB - $1.35)

Standard, unless the button is capable of snowing which I doubt at this level.

[Painter567 0]

Decideded to play one of these at low limits....This is hysterical! The play is godawful.PokerStars Game #20670289889: Tournament #110213199, $3.00+$0.25 8-Game (Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit) - Level I (30/60) - 2008/09/24 21:11:21 ETTable '110213199 1' 6-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: specbrad (1500 in chips) Seat 2: EllenL (1485 in chips) Seat 3: Rchhockey68 (1695 in chips) Seat 4: DebbieNP (1470 in chips) Seat 5: Tonaz66 (1350 in chips) Seat 6: ACEJJP (1500 in chips) Rchhockey68: posts small blind 15DebbieNP: posts big blind 30*** DEALING HANDS ***Dealt to specbrad [2h 5d 9c 7s 3d]Tonaz66: raises 30 to 60ACEJJP: folds specbrad: raises 30 to 90EllenL: folds Rchhockey68: folds DebbieNP: folds Tonaz66: calls 30*** FIRST DRAW ***Tonaz66: discards 3 cardsspecbrad: stands pat on [2h 5d 9c 7s 3d]Tonaz66: checks specbrad: bets 30Tonaz66: calls 30*** SECOND DRAW ***Tonaz66: discards 2 cardsspecbrad: stands pat on [2h 5d 9c 7s 3d]Tonaz66: bets 60specbrad: raises 60 to 120Tonaz66: calls 60*** THIRD DRAW ***Tonaz66: stands pat specbrad: stands pat on [2h 5d 9c 7s 3d]Tonaz66: checks specbrad: bets 60Tonaz66: calls 60*** SHOW DOWN ***specbrad: shows [2h 5d 9c 7s 3d] (Lo: 9,7,5,3,2)Tonaz66: mucks hand specbrad collected 645 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 645 | Rake 0 Seat 1: specbrad showed [2h 5d 9c 7s 3d] and won (645) with Lo: 9,7,5,3,2Seat 2: EllenL (button) folded before the Draw (didn't bet)Seat 3: Rchhockey68 (small blind) folded before the DrawSeat 4: DebbieNP (big blind) folded before the DrawSeat 5: Tonaz66 mucked [Kd Kc Ac 7c Jc]Seat 6: ACEJJP folded before the Draw (didn't bet)

[troyomac 0]

Could I have played this one any differently?Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($0.10/$0.20) (converter)SB ($4.20), Seat 6BB ($5.83), Seat 1UTG ($1.17), Seat 2Hero ($7.37), Seat 3CO ($4.15), Seat 4Button ($10.63), Seat 5Button at Seat 5.SB posts $0.05. BB posts $0.10. Hand: [Ac 5s 4s 2d 3d]Round 1: (1.50 SB)UTG folds. Hero raises. CO folds. Button raises. SB folds. BB folds. Hero calls. Hero discards Ac. Button stands pat. Hand: [5s 4s 2d 3d Ks]Round 2: (7.50 SB)Hero checks. Button bets. Hero calls. Hero discards Ks. Button stands pat. Hand: [5s 4s 2d 3d Jh]Round 3: (4.75 BB)Hero checks. Button bets. Hero calls. Hero discards Jh. Button stands pat. Hand: [5s 4s 2d 3d 9d]Round 4: (6.75 BB)Hero checks. Button bets. Hero folds. Total pot: (6.75 BB - $1.35)

I cap all 1 card draws predraw (especially a 1 card wheel draw!)Other streets look good... I call on the end just in case he's one of those guys that pats a 9 predraw unless you know for sure he wouldn't do that.

[uncooper 1]

Could I have played this one any differently?Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($0.10/$0.20) (converter)SB ($4.20), Seat 6BB ($5.83), Seat 1UTG ($1.17), Seat 2Hero ($7.37), Seat 3CO ($4.15), Seat 4Button ($10.63), Seat 5Button at Seat 5.SB posts $0.05. BB posts $0.10. Hand: [Ac 5s 4s 2d 3d]Round 1: (1.50 SB)UTG folds. Hero raises. CO folds. Button raises. SB folds. BB folds. Hero calls. Hero discards Ac. Button stands pat. Hand: [5s 4s 2d 3d Ks]Round 2: (7.50 SB)Hero checks. Button bets. Hero calls. Hero discards Ks. Button stands pat. Hand: [5s 4s 2d 3d Jh]Round 3: (4.75 BB)Hero checks. Button bets. Hero calls. Hero discards Jh. Button stands pat. Hand: [5s 4s 2d 3d 9d]Round 4: (6.75 BB)Hero checks. Button bets. Hero folds. Total pot: (6.75 BB - $1.35)

I think this is a clear cap pre-draw. As played I'd call on the end.edit: lol too slow

[jmbreslin 0]

Please critique this one, from a $3.25 8-Game turbo:Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($30/$60) (converter)SB ($1470), Seat 3BB ($1500), Seat 4UTG ($1470), Seat 5MP ($1500), Seat 6Hero ($1500), Seat 1Button ($1560), Seat 2Button at Seat 2.SB posts $15. BB posts $30. Hand: [8d 8h 2c 4c 6s]Round 1: (1.50 SB)UTG folds. MP folds. Hero raises. Button calls. SB folds. BB calls. BB takes 2. Hero discards 8h. Button takes 1. Hand: [8d 2c 4c 6s 3d]Round 2: (6.50 SB)BB bets. Hero raises. Button calls. BB raises. Hero calls. Button calls. BB stands pat. Hero discards 8d. Button takes 1. Hand: [2c 4c 6s 3d 2d]Round 3: (7.75 BB)BB bets. Hero calls. Button raises. BB calls. Hero calls. BB stands pat. Hero discards 2c. Button stands pat. Hand: [4c 6s 3d 2d As]Round 4: (13.75 BB)BB bets. Hero folds. Button raises. BB calls. Total pot: (17.75 BB - $1065)

[Pdiddydog 0]

Alright something with a little bit more strat contentPokerStars Game #20668211000: 7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/09/24 19:40:18 ETTable 'Ilsebill IV' 8-maxSeat 1: rodger chris ($7.75 in chips) Seat 2: XerXoX ($11.95 in chips) Seat 3: pokerron43 ($19.95 in chips) Seat 4: JohnnyBGood1 ($3.15 in chips) Seat 5: gfdsa146 ($7.25 in chips) Seat 6: bingobabe9 ($17.20 in chips) Seat 7: JazzBassist ($5.75 in chips) rodger chris: posts the ante $0.05XerXoX: posts the ante $0.05pokerron43: posts the ante $0.05JohnnyBGood1: posts the ante $0.05gfdsa146: posts the ante $0.05bingobabe9: posts the ante $0.05JazzBassist: posts the ante $0.05*** 3rd STREET ***Dealt to rodger chris [7h]Dealt to XerXoX [Jd]Dealt to pokerron43 [Qd]Dealt to JohnnyBGood1 [Qh]Dealt to gfdsa146 [2c 6c Qc]Dealt to bingobabe9 [3c]Dealt to JazzBassist [5h]bingobabe9: brings in for $0.10JazzBassist: calls $0.10rodger chris: calls $0.10XerXoX: folds pokerron43: folds JohnnyBGood1: folds gfdsa146: calls $0.10 ----> Don't really think I can raise it here with all my queens dead. Only one club dead though. Limp seems fine.*** 4th STREET ***Dealt to rodger chris [7h] [Js]Dealt to gfdsa146 [2c 6c Qc] [3d]Dealt to bingobabe9 [3c] [7s]Dealt to JazzBassist [5h] [As]JazzBassist: bets $0.25rodger chris: calls $0.25gfdsa146: calls $0.25 ----> Can i call here with only one dead club and three to a 6-low? My opponents boards look particularly strong, so I'm not sure if I'm live enough in the low direction to justify this. If my opponents' boards were a little rougher like if bingobabe had 38 showing and jazzbassist had 58 showing, is this a clearcut call? bingobabe9: calls $0.25*** 5th STREET ***Dealt to rodger chris [7h Js] [3h]Dealt to gfdsa146 [2c 6c Qc 3d] [Ac]Dealt to bingobabe9 [3c 7s] [6d]Dealt to JazzBassist [5h As] [7c]gfdsa146: checks bingobabe9: checks JazzBassist: bets $0.50rodger chris: folds gfdsa146: calls $0.50 ---> Dunno, seems like a standard call to mebingobabe9: calls $0.50*** 6th STREET ***Dealt to gfdsa146 [2c 6c Qc 3d Ac] [4h]Dealt to bingobabe9 [3c 7s 6d] [Ad]Dealt to JazzBassist [5h As 7c] [Jc]gfdsa146: checks ---> Was going for a c/r here, but realized after I checked that JazzBassist might not have lead again after bingobabe9's board telecasted at least a 7-lowbingobabe9: checks JazzBassist: checks *** RIVER ***Dealt to gfdsa146 [2c 6c Qc 3d Ac 4h] [Tc] gfdsa146: bets $0.50 ----> Luckbox obvbingobabe9: calls $0.50JazzBassist: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***gfdsa146: shows [2c 6c Qc 3d Ac 4h Tc] (HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 6,4,3,2,A)bingobabe9: mucks hand JazzBassist: mucks hand gfdsa146 collected $2.30 from potgfdsa146 collected $2.25 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $4.75 | Rake $0.20 Seat 1: rodger chris folded on the 5th StreetSeat 2: XerXoX folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)Seat 3: pokerron43 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)Seat 4: JohnnyBGood1 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)Seat 5: gfdsa146 showed [2c 6c Qc 3d Ac 4h Tc] and won ($4.55) with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 6,4,3,2,ASeat 6: bingobabe9 mucked [Ks 9s 3c 7s 6d Ad 8h]Seat 7: JazzBassist mucked [6s Ah 5h As 7c Jc 9h]

Don't know if I would have played this hand in the first place since your Q's are all but dead. If I did I would lead on 5th (being prepared to re-raise back if I am raised), bet 6th, and bet 7th.

[Pdiddydog 0]

Please critique this one, from a $3.25 8-Game turbo:Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($30/$60) (converter)SB ($1470), Seat 3BB ($1500), Seat 4UTG ($1470), Seat 5MP ($1500), Seat 6Hero ($1500), Seat 1Button ($1560), Seat 2Button at Seat 2.SB posts $15. BB posts $30. Hand: [8d 8h 2c 4c 6s]Round 1: (1.50 SB)UTG folds. MP folds. Hero raises. Button calls. SB folds. BB calls. BB takes 2. Hero discards 8h. Button takes 1. Hand: [8d 2c 4c 6s 3d]Round 2: (6.50 SB)BB bets. Hero raises. Button calls. BB raises. Hero calls. Button calls. BB stands pat. Hero discards 8d. Button takes 1. Hand: [2c 4c 6s 3d 2d]Round 3: (7.75 BB)BB bets. Hero calls. Button raises. BB calls. Hero calls. BB stands pat. Hero discards 2c. Button stands pat. Hand: [4c 6s 3d 2d As]Round 4: (13.75 BB)BB bets. Hero folds. Button raises. BB calls. Total pot: (17.75 BB - $1065)

Good I would have raised pre-draw as well. Now you cannot break a 86, you can only break a 87, if you think your beat the better play is to fold or call down cause you have basically no outs anyway.

[troyomac 0]

Please critique this one, from a $3.25 8-Game turbo:Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($30/$60) (converter)SB ($1470), Seat 3BB ($1500), Seat 4UTG ($1470), Seat 5MP ($1500), Seat 6Hero ($1500), Seat 1Button ($1560), Seat 2Button at Seat 2.SB posts $15. BB posts $30. Hand: [8d 8h 2c 4c 6s]Round 1: (1.50 SB)UTG folds. MP folds. Hero raises. Button calls. SB folds. BB calls. BB takes 2. Hero discards 8h. Button takes 1. Hand: [8d 2c 4c 6s 3d]Round 2: (6.50 SB)BB bets. Hero raises. Button calls. BB raises. Hero calls. Button calls. BB stands pat. Hero discards 8d. Button takes 1. Hand: [2c 4c 6s 3d 2d]Round 3: (7.75 BB)BB bets. Hero calls. Button raises. BB calls. Hero calls. BB stands pat. Hero discards 2c. Button stands pat. Hand: [4c 6s 3d 2d As]Round 4: (13.75 BB)BB bets. Hero folds. Button raises. BB calls. Total pot: (17.75 BB - $1065)

Hero pats the good 86, and goes into calldown mode.

[troyomac 0]

Hero pats the good 86, and goes into calldown mode.

Actually, I like capping it here, and seeing if he pats. Then if he leads out after you capped, I'd call down, and if he checks, you're probably good, and if he check raises, then you're in trouble.

[Vick12 0]

Hero pats the good 86, and goes into calldown mode.

^^^^^^

[Vick12 0]

Actually, I like capping it here, and seeing if he pats. Then if he leads out after you capped, I'd call down, and if he checks, you're probably good, and if he check raises, then you're in trouble.

+ ^^^^^^^^^^

[checkymcfold 0]

Actually, I like capping it here, and seeing if he pats. Then if he leads out after you capped, I'd call down, and if he checks, you're probably good, and if he check raises, then you're in trouble.

yes, this. any pat hand after one draw should be played like the nutz0rz, and you can reevaluate afterward if necessary.also, you're never breaking an 86, fwiw. you either call down, raise, or fold.

[troyomac 0]

you either call down, raise, or fold.

This is awesome poker advice btw.

[Pdiddydog 0]

yes, this. any pat hand after one draw should be played like the nutz0rz, and you can reevaluate afterward if necessary.also, you're never breaking an 86, fwiw. you either call down, raise, or fold.

Unanimous

[blakheart 3]

I love the 8 game cash game on stars. I don't even know how to play PLO and can beat the games consistently. This thread is my new home!!

[blakheart 3]

Actually, I like capping it here, and seeing if he pats. Then if he leads out after you capped, I'd call down, and if he checks, you're probably good, and if he check raises, then you're in trouble.

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