Mixed Game Challenge Thread

[Vick12 0]

So here's a general 2-7 TD issue:I started incorporating more predraw raises into my game last night, basically raising anything that was a strong 2-card draw or better. Problem was I often found myself in a tough spot after the first draw. I'd get 2 sometimes 3 callers to my predraw raise, draw 2, and either not improve at all or only marginally improve. Then I'd end up having to slow down and would often get pushed off the pot. It's easy to play it when my hand improves a lot after the first draw, but when I'm in against 2 or 3 villains and we've all drawn 2/3 or sometimes one of the villains only draws 1, it's a messy situation.Any thoughts?

Basically u want to ALWAYS be raising predraw in 2-7 especially in position. If your table is super loose, then u have to tighten up your range predraw a bit unless u are way better postdraw than your opponents. U especially wanna 3 bet any hand in position to get isolation so you are hopefully playing only 1 opponent.If you are against 2+ villains, usually u have to make a hand because they won't fold and will keep drawing. Especially the low level donkeys. I would advise against snowing or any complex plays and just play straightforward. At the higher levels, you will rarely be in pots against more than 1 villain because they will almost never limp into the pot and therefore most pots u will 3 bet them and get it HU.

[savagerebel 0]

Is this game even fair?I know I am probably not playing the hand right because I am not sure what I am doing either, but I am pretty sure they are more wrong then I am.PokerStars Game #20655868087: Tournament #110103127, $3.00+$0.30 8-Game (Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit) - Level I (30/60) - 2008/09/24 10:33:08 ETTable '110103127 1' 6-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: thelisa21 (1500 in chips) Seat 2: go_beavs07 (1500 in chips) Seat 3: Lise57 (1500 in chips) Seat 4: Powerhomer (1500 in chips) Seat 5: Flamin'Aces8 (1500 in chips) Seat 6: burt lake (1500 in chips) go_beavs07: posts small blind 15Lise57: posts big blind 30*** DEALING HANDS ***Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [9h 5s 8s 2d 5c]Powerhomer: calls 30Flamin'Aces8: calls 30burt lake: folds thelisa21: folds go_beavs07: folds Lise57: checks *** FIRST DRAW ***Lise57: discards 3 cardsPowerhomer: discards 3 cardsFlamin'Aces8: discards 2 cards [9h 5c]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [5s 8s 2d] [3d Kh]Lise57: bets 30Powerhomer: calls 30Flamin'Aces8: raises 30 to 60Lise57: calls 30Powerhomer: calls 30*** SECOND DRAW ***Lise57: discards 2 cardsPowerhomer: discards 2 cardsFlamin'Aces8: discards 1 card [Kh]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [5s 8s 2d 3d] [7d]Lise57: bets 60Powerhomer: calls 60Flamin'Aces8: raises 60 to 120Lise57: calls 60Powerhomer: calls 60*** THIRD DRAW ***Lise57: discards 1 cardPowerhomer: discards 1 cardFlamin'Aces8: stands pat on [5s 8s 2d 3d 7d]Lise57: bets 60Powerhomer: folds Flamin'Aces8: raises 60 to 120Lise57: calls 60*** SHOW DOWN ***Flamin'Aces8: shows [3d 5s 8s 2d 7d] (Lo: 8,7,5,3,2)Lise57: mucks hand Flamin'Aces8 collected 885 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 885 | Rake 0 Seat 1: thelisa21 (button) folded before the Draw (didn't bet)Seat 2: go_beavs07 (small blind) folded before the DrawSeat 3: Lise57 (big blind) mucked [4c 2s 3c Ad 7c]Seat 4: Powerhomer folded after the 3rd DrawSeat 5: Flamin'Aces8 showed [3d 5s 8s 2d 7d] and won (885) with Lo: 8,7,5,3,2Seat 6: burt lake folded before the Draw (didn't bet)ThenPokerStars Game #20655904280: Tournament #110103127, $3.00+$0.30 8-Game (Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit) - Level I (30/60) - 2008/09/24 10:35:16 ETTable '110103127 1' 6-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: thelisa21 (1500 in chips) Seat 2: go_beavs07 (1485 in chips) Seat 3: Lise57 (1290 in chips) Seat 4: Powerhomer (1170 in chips) Seat 5: Flamin'Aces8 (2055 in chips) Seat 6: burt lake (1500 in chips) Powerhomer: posts small blind 15Flamin'Aces8: posts big blind 30*** DEALING HANDS ***Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [9d 8c 9h Qh 4c]burt lake: calls 30thelisa21: calls 30go_beavs07: folds Lise57: folds Powerhomer: calls 15Flamin'Aces8: checks *** FIRST DRAW ***Powerhomer: discards 2 cardsFlamin'Aces8: discards 2 cards [9h Qh]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [9d 8c 4c] [Js 7c]burt lake: discards 2 cardsthelisa21: discards 2 cardsPowerhomer: checks Flamin'Aces8: checks burt lake: checks thelisa21: checks *** SECOND DRAW ***Powerhomer: discards 1 cardFlamin'Aces8: discards 2 cards [9d Js]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [8c 4c 7c] [9s 5h]burt lake: discards 1 cardthelisa21: discards 2 cardsPowerhomer: bets 60Flamin'Aces8: calls 60burt lake: calls 60thelisa21: calls 60*** THIRD DRAW ***Powerhomer: stands pat Flamin'Aces8: stands pat on [8c 4c 7c 9s 5h]burt lake: discards 1 cardthelisa21: discards 1 cardPowerhomer: checks Flamin'Aces8: bets 60burt lake: folds thelisa21: folds Powerhomer: calls 60*** SHOW DOWN ***Flamin'Aces8: shows [9s 8c 5h 7c 4c] (Lo: 9,8,7,5,4)Powerhomer: mucks hand Flamin'Aces8 collected 480 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 480 | Rake 0 Seat 1: thelisa21 folded after the 3rd DrawSeat 2: go_beavs07 folded before the Draw (didn't bet)Seat 3: Lise57 (button) folded before the Draw (didn't bet)Seat 4: Powerhomer (small blind) mucked [4s Ac 6h As 6c]Seat 5: Flamin'Aces8 (big blind) showed [9s 8c 5h 7c 4c] and won (480) with Lo: 9,8,7,5,4Seat 6: burt lake folded after the 3rd DrawAlso is there a site that will convert triple draw hands?

[aucu 3]

8-game is about the only thing I play now, anywhere from 1-2 to 4-8 limit.Problem is playing more than 4 tables gets hard and screw ups happen.

[aucu 3]

On the second hand you got a free first draw, I would not keep the 9 even if I had to draw 4 cards.Converter http://www.geocities.com/greenage22/Triple.../Converter.html

Is this game even fair?I know I am probably not playing the hand right because I am not sure what I am doing either, but I am pretty sure they are more wrong then I am.PokerStars Game #20655868087: Tournament #110103127, $3.00+$0.30 8-Game (Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit) - Level I (30/60) - 2008/09/24 10:33:08 ETTable '110103127 1' 6-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: thelisa21 (1500 in chips) Seat 2: go_beavs07 (1500 in chips) Seat 3: Lise57 (1500 in chips) Seat 4: Powerhomer (1500 in chips) Seat 5: Flamin'Aces8 (1500 in chips) Seat 6: burt lake (1500 in chips) go_beavs07: posts small blind 15Lise57: posts big blind 30*** DEALING HANDS ***Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [9h 5s 8s 2d 5c]Powerhomer: calls 30Flamin'Aces8: calls 30burt lake: folds thelisa21: folds go_beavs07: folds Lise57: checks *** FIRST DRAW ***Lise57: discards 3 cardsPowerhomer: discards 3 cardsFlamin'Aces8: discards 2 cards [9h 5c]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [5s 8s 2d] [3d Kh]Lise57: bets 30Powerhomer: calls 30Flamin'Aces8: raises 30 to 60Lise57: calls 30Powerhomer: calls 30*** SECOND DRAW ***Lise57: discards 2 cardsPowerhomer: discards 2 cardsFlamin'Aces8: discards 1 card [Kh]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [5s 8s 2d 3d] [7d]Lise57: bets 60Powerhomer: calls 60Flamin'Aces8: raises 60 to 120Lise57: calls 60Powerhomer: calls 60*** THIRD DRAW ***Lise57: discards 1 cardPowerhomer: discards 1 cardFlamin'Aces8: stands pat on [5s 8s 2d 3d 7d]Lise57: bets 60Powerhomer: folds Flamin'Aces8: raises 60 to 120Lise57: calls 60*** SHOW DOWN ***Flamin'Aces8: shows [3d 5s 8s 2d 7d] (Lo: 8,7,5,3,2)Lise57: mucks hand Flamin'Aces8 collected 885 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 885 | Rake 0 Seat 1: thelisa21 (button) folded before the Draw (didn't bet)Seat 2: go_beavs07 (small blind) folded before the DrawSeat 3: Lise57 (big blind) mucked [4c 2s 3c Ad 7c]Seat 4: Powerhomer folded after the 3rd DrawSeat 5: Flamin'Aces8 showed [3d 5s 8s 2d 7d] and won (885) with Lo: 8,7,5,3,2Seat 6: burt lake folded before the Draw (didn't bet)ThenPokerStars Game #20655904280: Tournament #110103127, $3.00+$0.30 8-Game (Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit) - Level I (30/60) - 2008/09/24 10:35:16 ETTable '110103127 1' 6-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: thelisa21 (1500 in chips) Seat 2: go_beavs07 (1485 in chips) Seat 3: Lise57 (1290 in chips) Seat 4: Powerhomer (1170 in chips) Seat 5: Flamin'Aces8 (2055 in chips) Seat 6: burt lake (1500 in chips) Powerhomer: posts small blind 15Flamin'Aces8: posts big blind 30*** DEALING HANDS ***Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [9d 8c 9h Qh 4c]burt lake: calls 30thelisa21: calls 30go_beavs07: folds Lise57: folds Powerhomer: calls 15Flamin'Aces8: checks *** FIRST DRAW ***Powerhomer: discards 2 cardsFlamin'Aces8: discards 2 cards [9h Qh]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [9d 8c 4c] [Js 7c]burt lake: discards 2 cardsthelisa21: discards 2 cardsPowerhomer: checks Flamin'Aces8: checks burt lake: checks thelisa21: checks *** SECOND DRAW ***Powerhomer: discards 1 cardFlamin'Aces8: discards 2 cards [9d Js]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [8c 4c 7c] [9s 5h]burt lake: discards 1 cardthelisa21: discards 2 cardsPowerhomer: bets 60Flamin'Aces8: calls 60burt lake: calls 60thelisa21: calls 60*** THIRD DRAW ***Powerhomer: stands pat Flamin'Aces8: stands pat on [8c 4c 7c 9s 5h]burt lake: discards 1 cardthelisa21: discards 1 cardPowerhomer: checks Flamin'Aces8: bets 60burt lake: folds thelisa21: folds Powerhomer: calls 60*** SHOW DOWN ***Flamin'Aces8: shows [9s 8c 5h 7c 4c] (Lo: 9,8,7,5,4)Powerhomer: mucks hand Flamin'Aces8 collected 480 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 480 | Rake 0 Seat 1: thelisa21 folded after the 3rd DrawSeat 2: go_beavs07 folded before the Draw (didn't bet)Seat 3: Lise57 (button) folded before the Draw (didn't bet)Seat 4: Powerhomer (small blind) mucked [4s Ac 6h As 6c]Seat 5: Flamin'Aces8 (big blind) showed [9s 8c 5h 7c 4c] and won (480) with Lo: 9,8,7,5,4Seat 6: burt lake folded after the 3rd DrawAlso is there a site that will convert triple draw hands?

[aucu 3]

So here's a general 2-7 TD issue:I started incorporating more predraw raises into my game last night, basically raising anything that was a strong 2-card draw or better. Problem was I often found myself in a tough spot after the first draw. I'd get 2 sometimes 3 callers to my predraw raise, draw 2, and either not improve at all or only marginally improve. Then I'd end up having to slow down and would often get pushed off the pot. It's easy to play it when my hand improves a lot after the first draw, but when I'm in against 2 or 3 villains and we've all drawn 2/3 or sometimes one of the villains only draws 1, it's a messy situation.Any thoughts?

I'll raise any good 2 card draw pre-first and 3-betting with a 1-card draw, if I miss in late possition no harm in checking and draw again, depends on how many cards the vills drew. It's hard to get pushed off a pot before the bets double even if I'm drawing 2 again.

[Pdiddydog 0]

So can you explain your thinking in this hand? He's repping K's all the way and you're calling down, basically drawing to one of the two remaining 7's? Did you put him on something worse than your 7's?

This was basically a math hand, I re-raised on 3rd to push out a steat attempt and found out he had K's, on 4th I peeled a card, alot of people would fold both 5th and 6th but that's a mistake. Since the pot was so big I am actually getting the odds I need to chase down for two pair or trips plus I got a couple backdoor draws as well. On 7th I knew he was value betting naked K's so I put in a re-raise and got a extra bet.

[AAsnake88 0]

Here is a Stud hand for you Jm, others feel free to comment as well.Stud Hi3rd Street - (0.60 SB)Villain: xx xx K:spade:___raises___raisesHero: 5:heart: 7:heart: 7:club:___raises___calls4th Street - (6.40 SB)Villain: xx xx K:spade: 4:heart:___betsHero: 5:heart: 7:heart: 7:club: 8:diamond:___calls5th Street - (4.20 BB)Villain: xx xx K:spade: 4:heart: T:club:___bets Hero: 5:heart: 7:heart : 7:club : 8:diamond: J:heart:___calls6th Street - (6.20 BB)Villain: xx xx K:spade: 4:heart: T:club: 9:diamond: ___betsHero: 5:heart: 7:heart : 7:club : 8:diamond: J:heart: 4:spade:___calls River - (8.20 BB)Villain: xx xx K:spade: 4:heart: T:club: 9:diamond: xx___bets___callsHero: 5:heart: 7:heart : 7:club : 8:diamond: J:heart: 4:spade: 5:spade:___raises Total pot: (12.20 BB)Results: next post

Fold 5th. I think it's really spewy to call down here.

[savagerebel 0]

Got 2nd in my first 8-game SNG. This might be my new home.

[TB17 0]

Haha. U call me checkymctaking2ndlikeeveryonebangsyurmom and I simply point out I do have a win here and there.<3 obv

pssh, even old men can luckbox a win here and there. <3 I might play this for a bit to see how it is

[jmbreslin 0]

savagerebel:Hand 1 illustrates precisely why the 8-game SnGs can be so profitable. Very few players at the low levels have anywhere near enough general knowledge of the different games to be competetive. Hand 2, though, you got very lucky. A 9 is rarely going to win in that kind of spot. Like aucu said, I would have dumped both 9's and just drew to the 2-5.

[jmbreslin 0]

I'll raise any good 2 card draw pre-first and 3-betting with a 1-card draw, if I miss in late possition no harm in checking and draw again, depends on how many cards the vills drew. It's hard to get pushed off a pot before the bets double even if I'm drawing 2 again.

I'll always call the small bet but will fold after the 2nd draw if I don't drastically improve.

[jmbreslin 0]

This was basically a math hand, I re-raised on 3rd to push out a steat attempt and found out he had K's, on 4th I peeled a card, alot of people would fold both 5th and 6th but that's a mistake. Since the pot was so big I am actually getting the odds I need to chase down for two pair or trips plus I got a couple backdoor draws as well. On 7th I knew he was value betting naked K's so I put in a re-raise and got a extra bet.

Do those odds take into account his likelihood of improving as well? Even if you hit your 2P, he has plenty of outs to hit a better 2P. Maybe I don't have a good grasp of how to apply pot odds in Stud.

[aucu 3]

I'll always call the small bet but will fold after the 2nd draw if I don't drastically improve.

That's where you can also pat and snow it.

[savagerebel 0]

savagerebel:Hand 1 illustrates precisely why the 8-game SnGs can be so profitable. Very few players at the low levels have anywhere near enough general knowledge of the different games to be competetive. Hand 2, though, you got very lucky. A 9 is rarely going to win in that kind of spot. Like aucu said, I would have dumped both 9's and just drew to the 2-5.

I am still learning triple draw. I think I know the game enough to still not lose all my chips to the guys that are patting 2 pair. I am already liking the stuff I am reading here. I have no idea what I am doing on razz though. Calling scottyno.PokerStars Game #20659547075: Tournament #110124324, $3.00+$0.30 8-Game (Razz Limit) - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/09/24 13:45:25 ETTable '110124324 1' 6-maxSeat 2: burt lake (1435 in chips) Seat 3: korde4 (1572 in chips) Seat 4: Flamin'Aces8 (1730 in chips) Seat 5: jackson190 (2533 in chips) Seat 6: Baxtard (1730 in chips) jackson190: posts the ante 10Baxtard: posts the ante 10burt lake: posts the ante 10korde4: posts the ante 10Flamin'Aces8: posts the ante 10*** 3rd STREET ***Dealt to burt lake [9h]Dealt to korde4 [7c]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [As 6c 2c]Dealt to jackson190 [Kh]Dealt to Baxtard [7s]jackson190: brings in for 15Baxtard: calls 15burt lake: calls 15korde4: folds Flamin'Aces8: raises 35 to 50jackson190: folds Baxtard: calls 35burt lake: calls 35*** 4th STREET ***Dealt to burt lake [9h] [3c]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [As 6c 2c] [5c]Dealt to Baxtard [7s] [Qd]Flamin'Aces8: bets 50Baxtard: folds burt lake: calls 50*** 5th STREET ***Dealt to burt lake [9h 3c] [Ac]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [As 6c 2c 5c] [Td]burt lake: bets 100Flamin'Aces8: raises 100 to 200burt lake: calls 100*** 6th STREET ***Dealt to burt lake [9h 3c Ac] [4c]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [As 6c 2c 5c Td] [3h]burt lake: checks Flamin'Aces8: bets 100burt lake: raises 100 to 200Flamin'Aces8: raises 100 to 300burt lake: raises 100 to 400Betting is cappedFlamin'Aces8: calls 100*** RIVER ***Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [As 6c 2c 5c Td 3h] [7h]burt lake: bets 100Flamin'Aces8: raises 100 to 200burt lake: raises 100 to 300Flamin'Aces8: raises 100 to 400Betting is cappedburt lake: calls 100*** SHOW DOWN ***Flamin'Aces8: shows [As 6c 2c 5c Td 3h 7h] (Lo: 6,5,3,2,A)burt lake: shows [2h 5s 9h 3c Ac 4c Js] (Lo: 5,4,3,2,A)burt lake collected 2315 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 2315 | Rake 0 Seat 2: burt lake showed [2h 5s 9h 3c Ac 4c Js] and won (2315) with Lo: 5,4,3,2,ASeat 3: korde4 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)Seat 4: Flamin'Aces8 showed [As 6c 2c 5c Td 3h 7h] and lost with Lo: 6,5,3,2,ASeat 5: jackson190 folded on the 3rd StreetSeat 6: Baxtard folded on the 4th StreetIs there anywhere I can get away from this?

[aucu 3]

No getting away from #3 here, espech in a tournament.

I am still learning triple draw. I think I know the game enough to still not lose all my chips to the guys that are patting 2 pair. I am already liking the stuff I am reading here. I have no idea what I am doing on razz though. Calling scottyno.PokerStars Game #20659547075: Tournament #110124324, $3.00+$0.30 8-Game (Razz Limit) - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/09/24 13:45:25 ETTable '110124324 1' 6-maxSeat 2: burt lake (1435 in chips) Seat 3: korde4 (1572 in chips) Seat 4: Flamin'Aces8 (1730 in chips) Seat 5: jackson190 (2533 in chips) Seat 6: Baxtard (1730 in chips) jackson190: posts the ante 10Baxtard: posts the ante 10burt lake: posts the ante 10korde4: posts the ante 10Flamin'Aces8: posts the ante 10*** 3rd STREET ***Dealt to burt lake [9h]Dealt to korde4 [7c]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [As 6c 2c]Dealt to jackson190 [Kh]Dealt to Baxtard [7s]jackson190: brings in for 15Baxtard: calls 15burt lake: calls 15korde4: folds Flamin'Aces8: raises 35 to 50jackson190: folds Baxtard: calls 35burt lake: calls 35*** 4th STREET ***Dealt to burt lake [9h] [3c]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [As 6c 2c] [5c]Dealt to Baxtard [7s] [Qd]Flamin'Aces8: bets 50Baxtard: folds burt lake: calls 50*** 5th STREET ***Dealt to burt lake [9h 3c] [Ac]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [As 6c 2c 5c] [Td]burt lake: bets 100Flamin'Aces8: raises 100 to 200burt lake: calls 100*** 6th STREET ***Dealt to burt lake [9h 3c Ac] [4c]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [As 6c 2c 5c Td] [3h]burt lake: checks Flamin'Aces8: bets 100burt lake: raises 100 to 200Flamin'Aces8: raises 100 to 300burt lake: raises 100 to 400Betting is cappedFlamin'Aces8: calls 100*** RIVER ***Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [As 6c 2c 5c Td 3h] [7h]burt lake: bets 100Flamin'Aces8: raises 100 to 200burt lake: raises 100 to 300Flamin'Aces8: raises 100 to 400Betting is cappedburt lake: calls 100*** SHOW DOWN ***Flamin'Aces8: shows [As 6c 2c 5c Td 3h 7h] (Lo: 6,5,3,2,A)burt lake: shows [2h 5s 9h 3c Ac 4c Js] (Lo: 5,4,3,2,A)burt lake collected 2315 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 2315 | Rake 0 Seat 2: burt lake showed [2h 5s 9h 3c Ac 4c Js] and won (2315) with Lo: 5,4,3,2,ASeat 3: korde4 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)Seat 4: Flamin'Aces8 showed [As 6c 2c 5c Td 3h 7h] and lost with Lo: 6,5,3,2,ASeat 5: jackson190 folded on the 3rd StreetSeat 6: Baxtard folded on the 4th StreetIs there anywhere I can get away from this?

[jmbreslin 0]

Is there anywhere I can get away from this?

No, that's kind of like having your 23467 lose to 23457 in TD and asking if you could have gotten away from it. That said, I would have just flat-called on 5th rather than raising because that was a terrible exchange of cards. Based on what he's showing he's now ahead of you, with a 9 low versus your 10 low. There is no reason to raise there. The incredibly frustrating thing about Razz is that you can have incredible starting cards go bad very quickly. I can't tell you how many times I've raised on 3rd with cards like A24, caught another low card on 4th, and then had 3 high cards fall on 5th-7th.

[jmbreslin 0]

That's where you can also pat and snow it.

Wouldn't work at the low stakes because people keep drawing and will call with marginal hands (which are good enough to beat my marginal hand).

[Pdiddydog 0]

Fold 5th. I think it's really spewy to call down here.

It is not spewy at all if you can put him on just naked K's plus if you can fold on the river. There is way to much in the pot to fold and I was only a 2 to 1 underdog on 5th.

[Pdiddydog 0]

Do those odds take into account his likelihood of improving as well? Even if you hit your 2P, he has plenty of outs to hit a better 2P. Maybe I don't have a good grasp of how to apply pot odds in Stud.

On 7th when I make two pair he has about a 33% shot of making a better two pair but again on the river I had him on valuetowning naked K's. The pot odds however dictate that I should be chasing here if the pot was smaller I would have folded earlier in the hand.

[Pdiddydog 0]

I am still learning triple draw. I think I know the game enough to still not lose all my chips to the guys that are patting 2 pair. I am already liking the stuff I am reading here. I have no idea what I am doing on razz though. Calling scottyno.PokerStars Game #20659547075: Tournament #110124324, $3.00+$0.30 8-Game (Razz Limit) - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/09/24 13:45:25 ETTable '110124324 1' 6-maxSeat 2: burt lake (1435 in chips) Seat 3: korde4 (1572 in chips) Seat 4: Flamin'Aces8 (1730 in chips) Seat 5: jackson190 (2533 in chips) Seat 6: Baxtard (1730 in chips) jackson190: posts the ante 10Baxtard: posts the ante 10burt lake: posts the ante 10korde4: posts the ante 10Flamin'Aces8: posts the ante 10*** 3rd STREET ***Dealt to burt lake [9h]Dealt to korde4 [7c]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [As 6c 2c]Dealt to jackson190 [Kh]Dealt to Baxtard [7s]jackson190: brings in for 15Baxtard: calls 15burt lake: calls 15korde4: folds Flamin'Aces8: raises 35 to 50jackson190: folds Baxtard: calls 35burt lake: calls 35*** 4th STREET ***Dealt to burt lake [9h] [3c]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [As 6c 2c] [5c]Dealt to Baxtard [7s] [Qd]Flamin'Aces8: bets 50Baxtard: folds burt lake: calls 50*** 5th STREET ***Dealt to burt lake [9h 3c] [Ac]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [As 6c 2c 5c] [Td]burt lake: bets 100Flamin'Aces8: raises 100 to 200burt lake: calls 100*** 6th STREET ***Dealt to burt lake [9h 3c Ac] [4c]Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [As 6c 2c 5c Td] [3h]burt lake: checks Flamin'Aces8: bets 100burt lake: raises 100 to 200Flamin'Aces8: raises 100 to 300burt lake: raises 100 to 400Betting is cappedFlamin'Aces8: calls 100*** RIVER ***Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [As 6c 2c 5c Td 3h] [7h]burt lake: bets 100Flamin'Aces8: raises 100 to 200burt lake: raises 100 to 300Flamin'Aces8: raises 100 to 400Betting is cappedburt lake: calls 100*** SHOW DOWN ***Flamin'Aces8: shows [As 6c 2c 5c Td 3h 7h] (Lo: 6,5,3,2,A)burt lake: shows [2h 5s 9h 3c Ac 4c Js] (Lo: 5,4,3,2,A)burt lake collected 2315 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 2315 | Rake 0 Seat 2: burt lake showed [2h 5s 9h 3c Ac 4c Js] and won (2315) with Lo: 5,4,3,2,ASeat 3: korde4 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)Seat 4: Flamin'Aces8 showed [As 6c 2c 5c Td 3h 7h] and lost with Lo: 6,5,3,2,ASeat 5: jackson190 folded on the 3rd StreetSeat 6: Baxtard folded on the 4th StreetIs there anywhere I can get away from this?

There is no way you can get away from this but you could have lost less. Its a cooler.

[jmbreslin 0]

On 7th when I make two pair he has about a 33% shot of making a better two pair but again on the river I had him on valuetowning naked K's. The pot odds however dictate that I should be chasing here if the pot was smaller I would have folded earlier in the hand.

I'm thinking more about the call on 5th and possibly 6th as well. On 5th you're getting 5-1 to hit trips or 2P but he has the same odds of hitting 2P that you do. Doesn't that have to be factored in somehow?

[ahosang 0]

i'm doing this at the request of a bunch of people in gen strat, and because stars was cool enough to make that whole 8-game thing.if a mod wants to merge the "conquering mixed games" thread over here, that would be rad.gl donkeys!i suppose i may as well make myself a challenge, since this is a "challenge" thread, after all:i don't really play on stars much, but wcoop left me with about 300 bucks there, so ima challenge myself to grind it up to at least 6k by the end of the year playing only 8-game. i'll probably devote only about 1 hour a day to this challenge and start at 1/2 (even though this is a bit underrolled, i can move down if i drop to 200 and my winrate should be plenty big enough at 1/2 to have a low ROR).

I have waited years for something like this online - i actually never believed it would happen(apart from some dealers choice at Gamesgrid). This is poker - mixed games like I used to play 20 years ago.This really is poker....

[Pdiddydog 0]

I'm thinking more about the call on 5th and possibly 6th as well. On 5th you're getting 5-1 to hit trips or 2P but he has the same odds of hitting 2P that you do. Doesn't that have to be factored in somehow?

He has got about a 50% chance of hitting two pair by 6th or 7th on 5th, I did factor that in, but the pot still layed me to good of a price to fold.

[gfdsa146 0]

:(PokerStars Game #20667312701: 7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/09/24 19:00:33 ETTable 'Ilsebill IV' 8-maxSeat 1: 400W ($6.30 in chips) Seat 2: XerXoX ($10.85 in chips) Seat 3: pokerron43 ($26.20 in chips) Seat 4: JohnnyBGood1 ($1.30 in chips) Seat 5: gfdsa146 ($10.90 in chips) Seat 6: bingobabe9 ($10 in chips) Seat 7: scorpios72 ($20 in chips) Seat 8: pv60 ($6.25 in chips) 400W: posts the ante $0.05XerXoX: posts the ante $0.05pokerron43: posts the ante $0.05JohnnyBGood1: posts the ante $0.05gfdsa146: posts the ante $0.05bingobabe9: posts the ante $0.05scorpios72: posts the ante $0.05pv60: posts the ante $0.05*** 3rd STREET ***Dealt to 400W [3s]Dealt to XerXoX [5h]Dealt to pokerron43 [3c]Dealt to JohnnyBGood1 [8c]Dealt to gfdsa146 [Ac 3h 2h]Dealt to bingobabe9 [9d]Dealt to scorpios72 [9h]Dealt to pv60 [Js]gfdsa146: brings in for $0.10bingobabe9: calls $0.10scorpios72: folds pv60: calls $0.10400W: folds XerXoX: folds scorpios72 leaves the tablepokerron43: calls $0.10JohnnyBGood1: folds *** 4th STREET ***Dealt to pokerron43 [3c] [Jh]Dealt to gfdsa146 [Ac 3h 2h] [5d]Dealt to bingobabe9 [9d] [Ks]Dealt to pv60 [Js] [6d]bingobabe9: bets $0.25pv60: calls $0.25pokerron43: calls $0.25gfdsa146: raises $0.25 to $0.50bingobabe9: calls $0.25pv60: calls $0.25pokerron43: calls $0.25*** 5th STREET ***Dealt to pokerron43 [3c Jh] [Th]Dealt to gfdsa146 [Ac 3h 2h 5d] [9s]Dealt to bingobabe9 [9d Ks] [9c]Dealt to pv60 [Js 6d] [8h]bingobabe9: bets $0.50pv60: calls $0.50pokerron43: calls $0.50gfdsa146: raises $0.50 to $1bingobabe9: calls $0.50pv60: calls $0.50JazzBassist joins the table at seat #7 pokerron43: calls $0.50*** 6th STREET ***Dealt to pokerron43 [3c Jh Th] [7c]Dealt to gfdsa146 [Ac 3h 2h 5d 9s] [Qh]Dealt to bingobabe9 [9d Ks 9c] [6s]Dealt to pv60 [Js 6d 8h] [2c]bingobabe9: bets $0.50pv60: calls $0.50pokerron43: calls $0.50gfdsa146: calls $0.50*** RIVER ***Dealt to gfdsa146 [Ac 3h 2h 5d 9s Qh] [3d]bingobabe9: bets $0.50pv60: folds pokerron43: folds gfdsa146: folds Uncalled bet ($0.50) returned to bingobabe9bingobabe9 collected $8.40 from potbingobabe9: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot $8.80 | Rake $0.40 Seat 1: 400W folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)Seat 2: XerXoX folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)Seat 3: pokerron43 folded on the RiverSeat 4: JohnnyBGood1 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)Seat 5: gfdsa146 folded on the RiverSeat 6: bingobabe9 collected ($8.40)Seat 7: scorpios72 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)Seat 8: pv60 folded on the Riverquick question, on 5th street, am i a favorite to make a low by the river?

[checkymcfold 0]

quick question, on 5th street, am i a favorite to make a low by the river?

yes, and seeing as how no fours are dead, i'm capping that street every time. rough 6th and 7th.analyzing 5th in stud8 is similar to the flop in o8 since two cards are yet to come, although you have to take dead cards into account a lot more. considering the action from the high door cards, you can safely assume that more high cards are dead than low cards by a wide-ish margin, and are better than the 57%-ish to make your low that you would have in a vacuum.