A Hand From 2-5 Live Nl

[Snamuh 0]

This is one of the fishiest hands I've ever seen. Preflop is terrible, flop is terrible, turn smile is terrible. HU4ROLLZ? imoEdit: Math is terrible too. 185 - 7 does not equal 177.AND playing with both rake and time charge is terrible. Altogether, this might be one of the most -EV hands ever assembled.

[Snamuh 0]

And wait. You buy-in short for 300 and call some new kid a donkey without seeing him play a hand yet? This is one of the many reasons why poker is still profitable.

[Marchione 0]

This is one of the fishiest hands I've ever seen. Preflop is terrible, flop is terrible, turn smile is terrible. HU4ROLLZ? imoEdit: Math is terrible too. 185 - 7 does not equal 177.AND playing with both rake and time charge is terrible. Altogether, this might be one of the most -EV hands ever assembled.

geeez i wonder what that other dollar missing is for hmmmmmmmm think ... think..... keep thinking !!! oh wait maybe i should draw you a map .as for the rake and tme charge it works out to being pretty much the same as playing in a L.A. cardroom because of the no tipping law if you play seven card stud i will play you HU4ROLLZ any time

[Snamuh 0]

geeez i wonder what that other dollar missing is for hmmmmmmmm think ... think..... keep thinking !!! oh wait maybe i should draw you a map .as for the rake and tme charge it works out to being pretty much the same as playing in a L.A. cardroom because of the no tipping law if you play seven card stud i will play you HU4ROLLZ any time

Even though I don't play stud ever, your complete lack of poker understanding displayed in this hand makes me think I'd probably not be an underdog.BTW you still didn't explain where the other dollar went. If there's a no tipping law, where does the other dollar go? Seems like you draw maps just about as well as you play poker.

[trystero 0]

This is one of the fishiest hands I've ever seen. Preflop is terrible, flop is terrible, turn smile is terrible. HU4ROLLZ? imoEdit: Math is terrible too. 185 - 7 does not equal 177.AND playing with both rake and time charge is terrible. Altogether, this might be one of the most -EV hands ever assembled.

lollllllll

[David_Nicoson 1]

The flop call isn't terrible. I think it's still a small mistake, but if you think you can stack the villain nearly all the time it's reasonable. But keep in mind that this flop is much better than average for our hand, we have a caller in between, and the call on the flop is still marginal. We are, in fact, quite fortunate to get a marginal situation after the flop. I think that makes it clear that our preflop call was poor.

[David_Nicoson 1]

BTW you still didn't explain where the other dollar went. If there's a no tipping law, where does the other dollar go?

Bellhop, obviously.

[Snamuh 0]

The flop call isn't terrible. I think it's still a small mistake, but if you think you can stack the villain nearly all the time it's reasonable. But keep in mind that this flop is much better than average for our hand, we have a caller in between, and the call on the flop is still marginal. We are, in fact, quite fortunate to get a marginal situation after the flop. I think that makes it clear that our preflop call was poor.

It's definitely pretty terrible. There's no debating it.

[David_Nicoson 1]

It's definitely pretty terrible. There's no debating it.

10:1 to make a gutshot in one card against top pair. The bet is 40, so we need to win 400. But because can still outdraw us on the river, our equity is still just 90% in that turn pot. So figure we need $450ish to break even.The villain has 500 - 20 - 40 = 440 left. The pot is already 105. We win 545 when we stack one player. I think a flop call is -EV, because we're occasionally drawing dead. But I might do it just for the metagame "wtf?" value of showing down 23o.Preflop, on the other hand, is just spew.

[Snamuh 0]

10:1 to make a gutshot in one card against top pair. The bet is 40, so we need to win 400. But because can still outdraw us on the river, our equity is still just 90% in that turn pot. So figure we need $450ish to break even.The villain has 500 - 20 - 40 = 440 left. The pot is already 105. We win 545 when we stack one player. I think a flop call is -EV, because we're occasionally drawing dead. But I might do it just for the metagame "wtf?" value of showing down 23o.Preflop, on the other hand, is just spew.

You forgot the massively important element that we aren't closing the action. It makes this call about 10 times worse.

[Naismith 0]

AND playing with both rake and time charge is terrible. Altogether, this might be one of the most -EV hands ever assembled.

This really is a funny line.

[BaseJester 1]

You forgot the massively important element that we aren't closing the action. It makes this call about 10 times worse.

You're forgetting the "Donkey calls you with 33" factor. That makes the call 8.5 times better, so it's almost a wash.

[bigbrennan 0]

I think the situation is 50/50. It is either going to work or not.Either way, nh gg wp sir.

[Snamuh 0]

You're forgetting the "Donkey calls you with 33" factor. That makes the call 8.5 times better, so it's almost a wash.

2 problems.1) There were no reads on the SB mentioned in the original hand so you are essentially being results oriented when mentioning this.2) You cannot predict future actions so you cannot really account for them (you can expect them to overcall or whatever a fair amount of the time, but in extremely marginal situations like this, it makes a huge difference if they raise even one out of 15 times).

[Vick12 0]

Fold Preflop

[BaseJester 1]

2 problems.1) There were no reads on the SB mentioned in the original hand so you are essentially being results oriented when mentioning this.2) You cannot predict future actions so you cannot really account for them (you can expect them to overcall or whatever a fair amount of the time, but in extremely marginal situations like this, it makes a huge difference if they raise even one out of 15 times).

So, we should predict a check-raise, but it's against the rules to predict a call. Why is it different?

[Sheiky 0]

So, we should predict a check-raise, but it's against the rules to predict a call. Why is it different?

The only thing we're predicting is the possibility that it could be raised behind us and ruin our odds

[David_Nicoson 1]

The only thing we're predicting is the possibility that it could be raised behind us and ruin our odds

So can we predict the possibility that it could be overcalled?

[Snamuh 0]

So can we predict the possibility that it could be overcalled?

Without having been given reads, we have no reason to believe that it WOULD.I really don't know how most of you guys aren't really able to grasp this fairly simple concept. You can't really justify thin calls with pot odds when you aren't closing the action. It's the reason a lot of spots that would normally be calls (if you were closing the action) become folds because you are put in a very awkward spot with people left to act behind.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Without having been given reads, we have no reason to believe that it WOULD.

I really don't know how most of you guys aren't really able to grasp this fairly simple concept. You can't really justify thin calls with pot odds when you aren't closing the action. It's the reason a lot of spots that would normally be calls (if you were closing the action) become folds because you are put in a very awkward spot with people left to act behind.

What % of the time do you think a generic SB player check/raises this flop?

[Naismith 0]

Love this thread.

[Marchione 0]

Without having been given reads, we have no reason to believe that it WOULD.I really don't know how most of you guys aren't really able to grasp this fairly simple concept. You can't really justify thin calls with pot odds when you aren't closing the action. It's the reason a lot of spots that would normally be calls (if you were closing the action) become folds because you are put in a very awkward spot with people left to act behind.

once SNAMUH stopped acting like a douche he has made some very valid points and has brought something constructive to this thread ! good post sirthe 1$ was for the BBJ

[Snamuh 0]

once SNAMUH stopped acting like a douche he has made some very valid points and has brought something constructive to this thread ! good post sirthe 1$ was for the BBJ

Oh. I've never played in a casino with one (to my knowledge?) and don't know how it works.

[CBass1724 1]

I'd feel better about this hand if you won it with a check-raise bluff on the river. You got lucky. Don't press your luck or you'll hit a whammy.