hellmuth

[PokerFan 0]

Watching ESPN's WSOP episode for the millionth time and see Hellmouth late to another start of a tourney...I know this is his style (to be late) however it seems to me this is a huge mistake due to all of us novice's that are now playing in these events...Seems to me there are some easy chips to be won early in these events as players have entered that really should not have and he is missing a golden opportunity to amass chips early...anyone have comments on this Bonehead?...

[MilesZS 0]

Watching ESPN's WSOP episode for the millionth time and see Hellmouth late to another start of a tourney...I know this is his style (to be late) however it seems to me this is a huge mistake due to all of us novice's that are now playing in these events...Seems to me there are some easy chips to be won early in these events as players have entered that really should not have and he is missing a golden opportunity to amass chips early...anyone have comments on this Bonehead?...

Hellmuth's style of play causes him to lose some chips to amateurs. It may be that he's decided, "Instead of adapting my actual play, I'll adapt WHEN I play."He just loves to slow play his big hands it seems. Or maybe it's his way of guaranteeing face time even if he doesn't win the event? Good player, annoying tactic.

[711Buddha 0]

He has nine bracelets and gets otherwise solid players to line up to take the worst of it against him. You should take notes.

[tampapoker 0]

He has nine bracelets and gets otherwise solid players to line up to take the worst of it against him. You should take notes.

Perhaps the smartest post I have ever read on this website. It is not an accident that Phil has won those nine bracelets. He is one of the top five no limit tourney players in the world and is a force to rekon with at all tourneys that he is registered in. I also think that you may want to try sitting with Phil at a table before you critize his play. Remember--YOU ARE WATCHING TELEVISION!!! I sat with Phil at the Five Diamond WPT event in Vegas and, not only is he an engaging personality at the table, he is a brilliant player and an artful tactician. It was a thrill to play with him and, other than Marcel, he was the nicest, most approachable pros playing in that tourney. Maybe you "haters" can stop wasting time trashing the guy on this website, get a job, earn some money, and actually play with the guy--you take him down, then you can talk your "Jim Rome'ish" schmack on this site: until then, shut up, go chow down some chex mix in front of the tube, and be greatful that you are getting to watch on television one of the greatest hold em players of all time.

[TheIceman05 0]

He has nine bracelets and gets otherwise solid players to line up to take the worst of it against him. You should take notes.

Perhaps the smartest post I have ever read on this website. It is not an accident that Phil has won those nine bracelets. He is one of the top five no limit tourney players in the world and is a force to rekon with at all tourneys that he is registered in. I also think that you may want to try sitting with Phil at a table before you critize his play. Remember--YOU ARE WATCHING TELEVISION!!! I sat with Phil at the Five Diamond WPT event in Vegas and, not only is he an engaging personality at the table, he is a brilliant player and an artful tactician. It was a thrill to play with him and, other than Marcel, he was the nicest, most approachable pros playing in that tourney. Maybe you "haters" can stop wasting time trashing the guy on this website, get a job, earn some money, and actually play with the guy--you take him down, then you can talk your "Jim Rome'ish" schmack on this site: until then, shut up, go chow down some chex mix in front of the tube, and be greatful that you are getting to watch on television one of the greatest hold em players of all time.

Whatever, Hellmuth's overrated. In fact, he's the suckiest suck that ever sucked. Also, he's a weiner. I'm sick of everyone MISCHARACTERIZING his play. He is absolutely not a super-tight "top ten hands" fiend. He was one of the very first players to open up, limp with lots of weaker hands, and price bad players into the pot. The only reason he makes so many tough lay-downs is because he believes if he puts himself in situations like that repeatedly, he'll be better off for it because he can skin others when he makes a monster. The reason Phil can't win cash games is because he is TOO LOOSE! Ice

[jeff_536 3]

He has nine bracelets and gets otherwise solid players to line up to take the worst of it against him. You should take notes.

Perhaps the smartest post I have ever read on this website. It is not an accident that Phil has won those nine bracelets. He is one of the top five no limit tourney players in the world and is a force to rekon with at all tourneys that he is registered in. I also think that you may want to try sitting with Phil at a table before you critize his play. Remember--YOU ARE WATCHING TELEVISION!!! I sat with Phil at the Five Diamond WPT event in Vegas and, not only is he an engaging personality at the table, he is a brilliant player and an artful tactician. It was a thrill to play with him and, other than Marcel, he was the nicest, most approachable pros playing in that tourney. Maybe you "haters" can stop wasting time trashing the guy on this website, get a job, earn some money, and actually play with the guy--you take him down, then you can talk your "Jim Rome'ish" schmack on this site: until then, shut up, go chow down some chex mix in front of the tube, and be greatful that you are getting to watch on television one of the greatest hold em players of all time.

I prefer nacho chips and salsa.

[iveyfan30 0]

He has nine bracelets and gets otherwise solid players to line up to take the worst of it against him. You should take notes.

Perhaps the smartest post I have ever read on this website. It is not an accident that Phil has won those nine bracelets. He is one of the top five no limit tourney players in the world and is a force to rekon with at all tourneys that he is registered in. I also think that you may want to try sitting with Phil at a table before you critize his play. Remember--YOU ARE WATCHING TELEVISION!!! I sat with Phil at the Five Diamond WPT event in Vegas and, not only is he an engaging personality at the table, he is a brilliant player and an artful tactician. It was a thrill to play with him and, other than Marcel, he was the nicest, most approachable pros playing in that tourney. Maybe you "haters" can stop wasting time trashing the guy on this website, get a job, earn some money, and actually play with the guy--you take him down, then you can talk your "Jim Rome'ish" schmack on this site: until then, shut up, go chow down some chex mix in front of the tube, and be greatful that you are getting to watch on television one of the greatest hold em players of all time.

Whatever, Hellmuth's overrated. In fact, he's the suckiest suck that ever sucked. Also, he's a weiner. I'm sick of everyone MISCHARACTERIZING his play. He is absolutely not a super-tight "top ten hands" fiend. He was one of the very first players to open up, limp with lots of weaker hands, and price bad players into the pot. The only reason he makes so many tough lay-downs is because he believes if he puts himself in situations like that repeatedly, he'll be better off for it because he can skin others when he makes a monster. overrated????? thats like calling the new england patriots overrated...how can anybody with 9 braclets be overrated?????like him or not,saying he's overrated is just idiotic...The reason Phil can't win cash games is because he is TOO LOOSE! Ice

[TheIceman05 0]

overrated????? thats like calling the new england patriots overrated...how can anybody with 9 braclets be overrated?????like him or not,saying he's overrated is just idiotic... I was just saying that to piss off the poster before me. I think he's had an incredible career, but that he's definitely not an elite "one of the best all time" poker players, for many reasons that I'm more than willing to get into. He's most definitely not the "best poker player in the world" today. Or even the best all time. Are the Patriots the best team in football history? Ice[/i]

[SuM827 0]

Hellmuth showed up to that Kansas City Lowball tourney that late only because I'm sure he knows that he had no chance to win that event. He's not a poker player, he's a hold em' specialist, he can't play any other form of the game at a high level.

[iveyfan30 0]

overrated????? thats like calling the new england patriots overrated...how can anybody with 9 braclets be overrated?????like him or not,saying he's overrated is just idiotic... I was just saying that to censored off the poster before me. I think he's had an incredible career, but that he's definitely not an elite "one of the best all time" poker players, for many reasons that I'm more than willing to get into. He's most definitely not the "best poker player in the world" today. Or even the best all time. Are the Patriots the best team in football history? Ice[/i]

i agree, phil is not the best of all time,nor ar the patriots the best ever in the nfl, i just didnt see how you could call either overrated..i do feel phil is ONE OF the tourney players ever...he can be an azz at times, i feel that is more of him trying to live up to an image ..

[tampapoker 0]

He has nine bracelets and gets otherwise solid players to line up to take the worst of it against him. You should take notes.

Perhaps the smartest post I have ever read on this website. It is not an accident that Phil has won those nine bracelets. He is one of the top five no limit tourney players in the world and is a force to rekon with at all tourneys that he is registered in. I also think that you may want to try sitting with Phil at a table before you critize his play. Remember--YOU ARE WATCHING TELEVISION!!! I sat with Phil at the Five Diamond WPT event in Vegas and, not only is he an engaging personality at the table, he is a brilliant player and an artful tactician. It was a thrill to play with him and, other than Marcel, he was the nicest, most approachable pros playing in that tourney. Maybe you "haters" can stop wasting time trashing the guy on this website, get a job, earn some money, and actually play with the guy--you take him down, then you can talk your "Jim Rome'ish" schmack on this site: until then, shut up, go chow down some chex mix in front of the tube, and be greatful that you are getting to watch on television one of the greatest hold em players of all time.

Whatever, Hellmuth's overrated. In fact, he's the suckiest suck that ever sucked. Also, he's a weiner. I'm sick of everyone MISCHARACTERIZING his play. He is absolutely not a super-tight "top ten hands" fiend. He was one of the very first players to open up, limp with lots of weaker hands, and price bad players into the pot. The only reason he makes so many tough lay-downs is because he believes if he puts himself in situations like that repeatedly, he'll be better off for it because he can skin others when he makes a monster. The reason Phil can't win cash games is because he is TOO LOOSE! Ice

You calling Hellmuth a "weiner" after that horribly constructed and presented argument is like Michael Jackson calling Bill Clinton a pervert. Dude, go back to playing your .01/.02 limit hold em game with the rest of your third grade class. You = a gold star in cursive writing from your second grade teacherHellmuth= Second on all-time WSOP money list with $3.6 million Nine WSOP bracelets number one in Hall of Fame Poker Tournament wins Winner of World's Biggest Seven-card Stud tournament in Austria peer-voted best all-around tournament poker player in the world in 1996 and five World Poker Tour top-ten finishes

[iveyfan30 0]

He has nine bracelets and gets otherwise solid players to line up to take the worst of it against him. You should take notes.

Perhaps the smartest post I have ever read on this website. It is not an accident that Phil has won those nine bracelets. He is one of the top five no limit tourney players in the world and is a force to rekon with at all tourneys that he is registered in. I also think that you may want to try sitting with Phil at a table before you critize his play. Remember--YOU ARE WATCHING TELEVISION!!! I sat with Phil at the Five Diamond WPT event in Vegas and, not only is he an engaging personality at the table, he is a brilliant player and an artful tactician. It was a thrill to play with him and, other than Marcel, he was the nicest, most approachable pros playing in that tourney. Maybe you "haters" can stop wasting time trashing the guy on this website, get a job, earn some money, and actually play with the guy--you take him down, then you can talk your "Jim Rome'ish" schmack on this site: until then, shut up, go chow down some chex mix in front of the tube, and be greatful that you are getting to watch on television one of the greatest hold em players of all time.

Whatever, Hellmuth's overrated. In fact, he's the suckiest suck that ever sucked. Also, he's a weiner. I'm sick of everyone MISCHARACTERIZING his play. He is absolutely not a super-tight "top ten hands" fiend. He was one of the very first players to open up, limp with lots of weaker hands, and price bad players into the pot. The only reason he makes so many tough lay-downs is because he believes if he puts himself in situations like that repeatedly, he'll be better off for it because he can skin others when he makes a monster. The reason Phil can't win cash games is because he is TOO LOOSE! Ice

You calling Hellmuth a "weiner" after that horribly constructed and presented argument is like Michael Jackson calling Bill Clinton a pervert. Dude, go back to playing your .01/.02 limit hold em game with the rest of your third grade class. You = a gold star in cursive writing from your second grade teacherHellmuth= Second on all-time WSOP money list with $3.6 million Nine WSOP bracelets number one in Hall of Fame Poker Tournament wins Winner of World's Biggest Seven-card Stud tournament in Austria peer-voted best all-around tournament poker player in the world in 1996 and five World Poker Tour top-ten finishes

whats with the new guys flaming the regulars??why take it personal guy?you guys disagreed,no need to flame ...i said this before,there should be a forum law that says newbs cant flame the made members ...

[TheIceman05 0]

See, it's your argument that was horribly miscontstucted. Here was the basic formula of my argument:Phil Hellmuth is a weak cash game playerPhil Hellmuth has had poor results lately, due either to focus problems or adaptation problemsPhil Hellmuth is considered by many to be the best poker player everPhil Hellmuth is only good at NLHEThere are players who have strong tournament results in divergent games, and clean clocks in side games (Doyle, Reese, Greenstein)Therefore, there are players much better than Phil. Therefore, Phil is overratedHere is your argument:You suck at pokerPhil has 9 braceletsWas once voted BATP, 8 years agoWon a stud tourney in AUSTRIAYou are in third grade, and have star-worth cursive (wrong, and wrong)Therefore, you are a weiner, and your argument is flawed. See? See how one argument has a set of premises and conclusions that should follow logically? And how yours is just a ridiculous ad hominem attack with absolutely no logical structure? See? Ice

[TheIceman05 0]

Thanks, Ivey. See how Ivenfan and I disagree, but we did so fully understanding that we'd likely not change the other's mind? Yet we still disagreed respectfully? See how real people function?See?Ice

[PMJackson21 0]

Phil Hellmuth is only good at NLHE

You might want to check out what events his bracelets are in, before saying something like that....or change it to 'PH is only good at HE' :-)Patrick

[HurricaneKyle 0]

Phil might not be the most well rounded poker player but he has come very close to winning bracelets at events other than hold'em. I think Phil's reputation might be a little down because many new poker fans have yet to see Phil win a televised event. They only see a guy who gets sucked out most of the time and complains about it. If there is one thing I've learned about playing poker in the past year, it is this: It is easy to rejoice and find humor in other people's bad luck. For a month I couldn't win with a pair over pair situation. Lately, the people who laughed at me, are now having the kind of streak I did, and they claim that no one has ever been so unlucky. When you see a player lose, you often see what is wrong with the player instead of what that player is doing correctly. Some of my friends who have been unlucky have been losing substantially, but that does not mean they are playing poorly. Often times a winning session will give a false sense of confidence about the improvement of your poker mastery.Phil has gone through that kind of rough streak, when the cards begin to break his way your perception is likely to change. If I had one critique of Phil's game, it would be that he should gamble a little bit more. Sometimes winning a coinflip can really turn your confidence to new heights. During the TOC, it was apparent that if enough pressure was applied Phil would fold some decent hands that were more than playable for the situation, and I think the pros take advantage of that.Phil seems to avoid the situations where he is on the right side of the coin flip too often IMO.

[TheIceman05 0]

Phil Hellmuth is only good at NLHE

You might want to check out what events his bracelets are in, before saying something like that....or change it to 'PH is only good at HE' :-)Patrick

My apologies. He won 3 limit hold'em bracelets, and a single PLHE bracelet.

[iveyfan30 0]

Phil might not be the most well rounded poker player but he has come very close to winning bracelets at events other than hold'em. I think Phil's reputation might be a little down because many new poker fans have yet to see Phil win a televised event. They only see a guy who gets sucked out most of the time and complains about it. If there is one thing I've learned about playing poker in the past year, it is this: It is easy to rejoice and find humor in other people's bad luck. For a month I couldn't win with a pair over pair situation. Lately, the people who laughed at me, are now having the kind of streak I did, and they claim that no one has ever been so unlucky. When you see a player lose, you often see what is wrong with the player instead of what that player is doing correctly. Some of my friends who have been unlucky have been losing substantially, but that does not mean they are playing poorly. Often times a winning session will give a false sense of confidence about the improvement of your poker mastery.Phil has gone through that kind of rough streak, when the cards begin to break his way your perception is likely to change. If I had one critique of Phil's game, it would be that he should gamble a little bit more. Sometimes winning a coinflip can really turn your confidence to new heights. During the TOC, it was apparent that if enough pressure was applied Phil would fold some decent hands that were more than playable for the situation, and I think the pros take advantage of that.Phil seems to avoid the situations where he is on the right side of the coin flip too often IMO.

i predict phil will win a braclet this year...seems he is rededicated to playing poker and not "selling" poker..i for one wish him well...

[TheIceman05 0]

I hope he wins a bracelet. I've got nothing against him personally. I hope he comes out blazing and returns to glory, only so that he'll have a title to defend. Ice

[looshle 6]

Are the Patriots the best team in football history? [/bAbsolutely.

[TheIceman05 0]

Are the Patriots the best team in football history? [/bAbsolutely.

Nonsense, assuming you mean "most talented."Ice

[PMJackson21 0]

Are the Patriots the best team in football history? [/bAbsolutely.

Nonsense, assuming you mean "most talented."Ice

Yeah, I think the '94 49ers, and maybe the '89 team would hand it to the Patriots, any of the Cowboy SB Championship teams in the mid-90s...Hard to go back too far and compare eras, but you can't dismiss some of the Steelers teams of the 70's either.To accomplish what the Patriots have in the age of the salary cap however, is awfully impressive. That's why it's so hard to compare the eras; the 49ers during their glory years had players who would easily have been starters for others teams, but the owner went out of his way to make sure the roster was deep. An obvious example would be Steve Young, he was Montana's backup for years before taking over. Now with the salary cap in place, it's hard to field a team that is solid at every position, let alone having a solid backup at every position. Not to mention that an offensive line rarely has time to gel anymore before players leave via free agency...Patrick

[flyingmoose 0]

Watching ESPN's WSOP episode for the millionth time and see Hellmouth late to another start of a tourney...I know this is his style (to be late) however it seems to me this is a huge mistake due to all of us novice's that are now playing in these events...Seems to me there are some easy chips to be won early in these events as players have entered that really should not have and he is missing a golden opportunity to amass chips early...anyone have comments on this Bonehead?...

These tournaments often go very late, and phil would probably rather be fresh for the last 2 hours of the day than the first 2. Missing level 1 of the WSOP, phil would probably lose about 15% of his chips and still have >80 big blinds for the next level. That leaves plenty of room to work.

[looshle 6]

No, definately not most talented, but best all around team in the history of the league.

[TheIceman05 0]

No, definately not most talented, but best all around team in the history of the league.

What does that mean, then?Ice