Limping Oop With Kq Sooted

[MrDanza 0]

yes.

[Cappy37 0]

[pokerinc 0]

try and be a little vaguer.bluffing good yes?

[potatoman 0]

Top set.Good?

[TrueAce13 18]

So everyone goes all in on the first hand of the ME and you look at AA...what to do?

[copernicus 0]

So everyone goes all in on the first hand of the ME and you look at AA...what to do?

demand the deck to be spread face up again?

[Sheiky 0]

First hand of the main event, it folds to you in the SB, Phil Helmuth is the BB and he will only call a shove if he has exactly pocket aces.Which hand would you rather shove with? 67s or A6o?

[Berwatchey 0]

i dont shove the first hand of the WSOP main event because the blinds arent high enough to make it profitable to steal just the SB on the first hand?

[Cappy37 0]

First hand of the main event, it folds to you in the SB, Phil Helmuth is the BB and he will only call a shove if he has exactly pocket aces.Which hand would you rather shove with? 67s or A6o?

I'd min raise from the SB, since Hellmuth doesn't show up until hour 2 or 3, he's not in his chair.

[simo_8ball 0]

First hand of the main event, it folds to you in the SB, Phil Helmuth is the BB and he will only call a shove if he has exactly pocket aces.Which hand would you rather shove with? 67s or A6o?

I'd min raise from the SB, since Hellmuth doesn't show up until hour 2 or 3, he's not in his chair.

^^ThisIf he WAS sat, I think A6o would be better to shove. I'd need to work it out.

[TravisG 0]

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[simo_8ball 0]

If we have 67s:Hellmuth gets dealt AA 4/50*3/49= 6/1225When he calls we are 22.475% in a 400bb pot, so we have 89.9bb equity and we have shoved 199.5bb. We are -109.6bb in equity when called.So, 1119/1225 we are +1.5bb, and 6/1225 we are -109.6bb.1119/1225 * 1.5 - 6/1225 * 109.6 = (1678.5 - 657.6) /1225 = 0.83bb per hand profit.If we have A6o:Hellmuth gets dealt AA 3/50*2/49= 3/1225When he calls we are 6.438% in a 400bb pot, so we have 25.752bb equity and we have shoved 199.5bb. We are -173.748bb in equity when called.So, 1122/1225 we are +1.5bb, and 3/1225 we are -109.6bb.1122/1225 * 1.5 - 3/1225 * 173.748 = (1683 - 521.244) /1225 = +0.948bb per hand profit.A6o is better. - You can shove any two cards profitably 200bb deep if he is only calling with AA.- AA is obviously the best hand to shove with, followed by ATs, then A5s. I think it would be AJs then A4s next.

[Berwatchey 0]

does that take into account weather or not you are in the BB or if you were also SB?

[Sheiky 0]

^^ThisIf he WAS sat, I think A6o would be better to shove. I'd need to work it out.

Weird, last time I asked this you said it was A6o AINEC because of the card canceling effect

[copernicus 0]

Weird, last time I asked this you said it was A6o AINEC because of the card canceling effect

That would be the "top of the head" guess, but doesnt take into account how much better 67s plays when youre called which offsets most of the card cancelling effect.

[Poker Addict 0]

First hand of the main event, it folds to you in the SB, Phil Helmuth is the BB and he will only call a shove if he has exactly pocket aces.Which hand would you rather shove with? 67s or A6o?

Fold either hand preflop

[Sheiky 0]

FWIW, the answer is A6o

[simo_8ball 0]

Weird, last time I asked this you said it was A6o AINEC because of the card canceling effect

That would be the "top of the head" guess, but doesnt take into account how much better 67s plays when youre called which offsets most of the card cancelling effect.

^^^This.500bb stacks (just to illustrate):****EDITED****If we have 67s:Hellmuth gets dealt AA 4/50*3/49= 6/1225When he calls we are 22.475% in a 1000bb pot, so we have 225bb equity and we have shoved 499.5bb. We are -274.5bb in equity when called.So, 1119/1225 we are +1.5bb, and 6/1225 we are -274.5bb.1119/1225 * 1.5 - 6/1225 * 174.5 = (1678.5 - 1647) /1225 = +0.025bb per hand profit.If we have A6o:Hellmuth gets dealt AA 3/50*2/49= 3/1225When he calls we are 6.438% in a 1000bb pot, so we have 64.38bb equity and we have shoved 499.5bb. We are -435.12bb in equity when called.So, 1122/1225 we are +1.5bb, and 3/1225 we are -109.6bb.1122/1225 * 1.5 - 3/1225 * 435.12 = (1683 - 1305.36) /1225 = +0.31bb per hand profit.With 500bb stacks, shoving A6o is still better, but shoving 67s becomes almost neutral EV.You notice, the +EV from winning the blinds is almost constant. The difference between winning the blinds 1119/1225 or 1122/1225 is basically the same. The only important part is the -EV from being called. Being called twice as often is only a real disadvantage when the blinds are worth having. As the stacks get deeper, that 1.5bb becomes less and less relevant. That fades into nothing, and the only question becomes "is the -EV of A6 more than double the -EV of 67?"I'd be interested to see the graphs actually because at tiny stack sizes, the -EV from being called so infrequently is almost removed entirely. At a theoretical stack size of 0, they both have almost exactly +1.5bb equity per hand.

[Gargoyle97 0]

Hmm, I tried to make this graph. The equity of 67s is off in second calculation (-174 vs -274). No cross-over in my calc.

[simo_8ball 0]

Ugh. Yeah, I was reading it as 400bb stacks. Chalk that up to it being a VERY long day/week/month.Thanks for the correction.I thought it seemed pretty odd, and that's why I thought the graph would be interesting. It went against what I was expecting, and I was trying to understand why a simple multiple seemed to be thrown off by just the very subtle adjustment in pot odds.EDIT: Can you post the graph?

[Gargoyle97 0]

Here is my spreadsheet.pushing_against_AA.xls