doudave 0 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 how can you argue against that? the guys is awesome and he lets you know about it, that dosnt make him a bad player. Link to post Share on other sites
adidas freak 0 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 he's a jopke :-)I guess being a world champion with nine bracelets doesn't mean what is used to???? Link to post Share on other sites
Fire- 0 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 but he hasn't done anything lately.this is since 200005-Mar-05 Heads-Up No Limit Hold'em2005 National Heads-Up Poker Championship 1st $ 500,000 14-Dec-04 $ 15,000 World Poker Tour Championship - No Limit Hold'emFive-Diamond World Poker Classic, Las Vegas 41st $ 21,781 01-Sep-04 No Limit Hold'em - Tournament of ChampionsWorld Series of Poker Tournament of Champions, Las Vegas 2nd 20-Aug-04 € 5,710 Episode 3The Gaming Club World Poker Championship (Pot Limit Hold'em), Dublin 3rd 14-May-04 $ 3,000 Pot Limit Hold'em35th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2004, Las Vegas 7th $ 34,880 10-May-04 $ 2,000 Pot Limit Hold'em35th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2004, Las Vegas 6th $ 29,800 09-May-04 $ 2,000 Omaha Hi-Lo Split35th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2004, Las Vegas 21st $ 2,580 02-May-04 $ 2,500 Limit Hold'em35th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2004, Las Vegas 26th $ 3,280 26-Apr-04 $ 1,500 Omaha Hi-Lo Split35th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2004, Las Vegas 17th $ 4,120 14-Nov-03 $ 10,000 No Limit Hold'em WPT Event2003 World Poker Finals, Mashantucket 3rd $ 281,700 01-Oct-03 $ 1,000 No Limit Hold'em2003 Four Queens Poker Classic, Las Vegas 7th $ 3,055 17-Sep-03 $ 9,800 No Limit Hold'em Main Event2003 United States Poker Championship, Atlantic City 3rd $ 116,424 30-Jun-03 $ 1,500 Pot Limit OmahaFesta al Lago, Las Vegas 4th $ 8,585 09-Jun-03 € 1,000 World Heads Up Poker Championships 2003Austrian Masters 2003, Vienna 33rd 19-May-03 $ 10,000 World Championship Event34th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2003, Las Vegas 27th $ 45,000 15-May-03 $ 3,000 No Limit Hold'em34th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2003, Las Vegas 1st $ 410,860 10-May-03 $ 3,000 Limit Hold'em34th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2003, Las Vegas 6th $ 15,040 30-Apr-03 $ 1,500 Limit Omaha34th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2003, Las Vegas 3rd $ 15,800 26-Apr-03 $ 2,500 Limit Hold'em34th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2003, Las Vegas 1st $ 171,400 23-Apr-03 $ 2,000 H.O.R.S.E.34th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2003, Las Vegas 12th $ 3,160 14-Apr-03 $ 25,000 WPT Championship - No Limit Hold'em2003 Bellagio Five-Star World Poker Classic WPT Championship, Las Vegas 20th $ 15,999 09-Feb-03 $ 1,000 Omaha Hi/Lo2003 L.A. Poker Classic, Los Angeles 1st $ 55,485 28-Jan-03 $ 10,000 No Limit Hold'em Championship - WPT2003 World Poker Open, Tunica 10th $ 18,324 12-Dec-02 No Limit Hold'em2002 United States Poker Championship, Atlantic City 8th $ 1,975 09-Dec-02 $ 1,500 Pot Limit OmahaBellagio Five Diamond Poker Classic - 2002, Las Vegas 2nd $ 29,449 04-Dec-02 $ 1,000 Pot Limit Hold'emBellagio Five Diamond Poker Classic - 2002, Las Vegas 3rd $ 13,386 10-Nov-02 $ 3,000 No Limit Hold'em - Main WPT Event2002 Gold Rush, San Francisco 4th $ 34,000 07-Nov-02 $ 200 Seven Card Stud2002 Gold Rush, San Francisco 8th $ 500 26-Apr-02 $ 2,500 No Limit Hold'em - Gold Bracelet Match Play33rd World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2002, Las Vegas 2nd $ 17,000 24-Apr-02 $ 1,500 Limit Omaha33rd World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2002, Las Vegas 8th $ 3,640 17-Mar-02 $ 8,000 Limit Hold'em - Final ResultsParty Poker Million, Caribbean 3rd $ 62,400 09-Mar-02 Game 2Late Night Poker Series 5, Cardiff 7th 29-Nov-01 Semi FinalLate Night Poker Series 4, Cardiff 6th 11-Oct-01 Game 1Late Night Poker Series 4, Cardiff 2nd 07-Jun-01 ATS 10,000 No Limit HoldemAustrian Masters 2001, Vienna 1st ATS 295,860 $ 18,482 05-Jun-01 ATS 34,400 World Heads Up Poker Championships FinalsAustrian Masters 2001, Vienna 33rd 14-May-01 $ 10,000 Championship Event32nd World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2001, Las Vegas 5th $ 303,705 11-May-01 $ 5,000 Omaha Hi-Lo Split Eight or Better32nd World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2001, Las Vegas 2nd $ 103,785 05-May-01 $ 1,500 Ace to Five Draw Lowball32nd World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2001, Las Vegas 15th $ 1,850 03-May-01 $ 2,500 Omaha (pot limit)32nd World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2001, Las Vegas 15th $ 4,910 29-Apr-01 $ 3,000 Texas Hold'em (limit)32nd World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2001, Las Vegas 6th $ 19,555 26-Apr-01 $ 1,500 Seven Card Stud Hi-Lo Split Eight or Better32nd World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2001, Las Vegas 9th $ 4,685 24-Apr-01 $ 2,000 Texas Hold'em (no limit)32nd World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2001, Las Vegas 1st $ 316,550 14-Dec-00 Grand FinalLate Night Poker Series 3, Cardiff 1st £ 45,000 $ 64,973 26-Oct-00 Game 2Late Night Poker Series 3, Cardiff 1st 05-May-00 $ 2,500 Omaha (pot-limit)31st World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2000, Las Vegas 4th $ 29,250 02-May-00 $ 2,000 Texas Hold'em (pot-limit)31st World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2000, Las Vegas 6th $ 16,450 yeah he sucks, i wish i could suckLook all i'm saying is he's not as dominant as he used to be. If you look at that list, as you move from top to bottom, the list gets less and less impressive with few exceptions. By 2003ish he's barely making the bubble in larger tournaments. Obviously he's still and amazing player, but he's just gotta revamp his strategy to accomodate the influx of dead money players who make boneheaded moves. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafs 142 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 ah, the weekly Hellmuth sucks/Hellmuth rules threadgotta go with.... he's a jopke :-) Link to post Share on other sites
stevesavi 0 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 phil hellmuth was arguably the greatest NL Hold'em Tournament player that has ever lived.he's not a great cash game player and not a good all around poker player but his NL hold'em tourney finishes and cashes spoke for themselves. he was the best in that respect.some people don't like him because of his table talk and his love of himself' date=' but i rather enjoy his antics.[/quote']Now he's an old hack who wont change his game to accomodate the changes in the game.[/quotePhil Hellmuth at no point was ever the Greatest NLHE tournament player. Before hellmuth knew s hit about holdem stu ungar became the greatest NLHE tournement player to ever play the game, and till now no one has ever captured that title from him, and maybe no one ever will. That being said, he had his years when he played well but his ability is avershadwed by being a little b itch. And at this pint he's nt even in the p 10 and we shuldnt even pay him the compliment of discussing him. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafs 142 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 That being said, he had his years when he played well but his ability is avershadwed by being a little b itch. And at this pint he's nt even in the p 10 and we shuldnt even pay him the compliment of discussing him.Is this English? I can't read it. Link to post Share on other sites
Fire- 0 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Steve that's bullshit and you should know it. He is still a very talented poker player and it's not something that can be disputed. He just needs to reevaluate how he plays in huge tournys Link to post Share on other sites
mark33f 0 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 That being said, he had his years when he played well but his ability is avershadwed by being a little b itch.I disagree, just because he is a "little bitch", doesn't mean that should overshadow his ability. Yes, he may be an ass at the table, but that bears no relevance to how he won all of his RECORD 9 Hold'em bracelets. So I guess Ungar's success should be overshadowed by the fact he was a drug addict and lost his life to drugs? Link to post Share on other sites
SportsW234 0 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 According to Pokerpages.com Hellmuth is second behind Raymer and ahead of Williams. Also I believe that at one point in Hellmuth's career, the early 90's when he was totally dominating the WSOP, Hellmuth would be considered the best NLH player in the world. Hellmuth is still a great talent and when he has his A game going he is one of the world's best, but he seems to have a lot of lower levels. When Hellmuth is playing his best like in 2003, where he won three tournaments including two at the World Series, he finished 27th at the main event where he would have been one of the chip leaders if he one the hand against Lester, he finished 3rd at Foxwoods, and 3rd at the USPC where he took a bad beat against Toto. I beleive that Phil is a hypocritical jerk at the table who is not the best NLH player in the world, but when he has his A game he is one of the world's best. Link to post Share on other sites
scweeber 0 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 without reading this whole thread i'll throw out a little fact: hellmuth has had FAR more tourney success than johnny chan in the past five years (even the past 2 when phil has been in his slump) but there are phil haters out there who will suck johnie's **** while talking smack on phil :roll: Link to post Share on other sites
chrisuk_sw 0 Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 WSOP all-time money list: http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/rank.php?a=r&n=125Hellmuth's third, but only by about $700 to Harringtonof course, in 2 months that list will be very different... Link to post Share on other sites
brian67 0 Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 I'm tired of everyone hating on Hellmuth. I don't think there is anyone alive that can challenge his NLHE record. I also don't think he's in any way washed up. It's extremely rare that Hellmuth gets all his chips in with the inferior hand. 9 WSOP bracelets, all of them being NLHE is no fluke. Link to post Share on other sites
Fire- 0 Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 I'm tired of everyone hating on Hellmuth. I don't think there is anyone alive that can challenge his NLHE record. I also don't think he's in any way washed up. It's extremely rare that Hellmuth gets all his chips in with the inferior hand. 9 WSOP bracelets, all of them being NLHE is no fluke.it's because of his amazing laydowns. [sw] Link to post Share on other sites
NortonFan 0 Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 I don't keep up on fancy lingo so wtf is jopke??? Link to post Share on other sites
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