Merby 3 Posted April 28, 2008 Share Posted April 28, 2008 Stats and notes:SB: 48/28/2.4 Notes on him: he's an agro-donkBB: 19/4/1PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)MP ($35.50)CO ($17.70)Hero ($47.10)SB ($25.90)BB ($35.05)UTG ($2.95)Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 6, 7, 7. 1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: ($1) 9, 7, Q(4 players)SB bets $0.75, BB calls $0.75, MP calls $0.75, Hero raises to $4.7, SB raises to $16.55, BB raises to $34.8, MP folds, Hero folds, SB calls $9.10 (All-In).Standard play on flop? Any arguments for a different line? Link to post Share on other sites
KoRnholio 2 Posted April 28, 2008 Share Posted April 28, 2008 Looks good. Bottom set on that board is a gross hand. We can't really flat call since the only cards that look good to us are an off suit 2,3,4,(maybe 5) and a 7.I like a raise and then fold to heavy action like that. If the SB pushes and we can call heads up, I would probably take the chance he is on some draw or 2 pair rather than a higher set. Link to post Share on other sites
TRB05 1 Posted April 28, 2008 Share Posted April 28, 2008 PF seems standard. If Ace is suited raise.Well, you could fold the flop outright, but I don't think that's good. Flat calling flop is OK, with a lead if a scare card comes. Flop raise is no good, after two flat calls you are not driving out good draws. On the turn, after raise and reraise fold is perfect, you are barely beating anything at this point. GHdisclaimer- I am wasted, so take advice lightly Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted April 28, 2008 Share Posted April 28, 2008 I like flop line. Pf I either raise or fold. If you're heads up with the MP limper, this hand plays out differently, imo. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted April 28, 2008 Share Posted April 28, 2008 thats a pretty trashy hand without a suited ace in it. Link to post Share on other sites
dingas 0 Posted April 28, 2008 Share Posted April 28, 2008 I'm not too thrilled with the pf call. I guess because of your position it is ok if you think you'll be able to pick up the pot on a dry flop a lot of the time.On the flop, after the sb lead and the two calls, there's a pretty good chance that you're either in trouble already, or that your hand will get drawn out on. On such a coordinated board, I doubt sb would lead without a hand he is willing to go with (either a set or a strong enough draw), so a raise is going to get reraised a lot of the time. I think I would prefer to call the flop and reevaluate the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted April 28, 2008 Share Posted April 28, 2008 PF is marginal [EDIT: less than marginal. Here you hit your set and you don't even like it. Fold PF], flop is fine - I think I actually get myself into trouble by misplaying hands like that - my first thought is to flat call the flop, but that's usually bad.Also though, we need reads here (always). If you didn't have any reads that's fine too and say it, but like at some tables that's an instafold and at some tables it's an instacall. Link to post Share on other sites
BigLebowski 0 Posted April 28, 2008 Share Posted April 28, 2008 From my experience this is trash at 25 and 50 on FTP, not sure about Stars though. Preflop is a fold IMO. The lower limits are a ton of nuthuggers and with this much action post-flop you can be sure you are way behind. Not sure how many hands you have on that BB, but 19/4/1 and a check RR means instamuck everything except for the strongest drawing hands and top set. If you're Ac has a suit with it I put in it fulling expecting to see a larger set from one player and TcJc or 8cTc from the other. Link to post Share on other sites
Merby 3 Posted April 28, 2008 Author Share Posted April 28, 2008 PF is marginal [EDIT: less than marginal. Here you hit your set and you don't even like it. Fold PF], flop is fine - I think I actually get myself into trouble by misplaying hands like that - my first thought is to flat call the flop, but that's usually bad.Also though, we need reads here (always). If you didn't have any reads that's fine too and say it, but like at some tables that's an instafold and at some tables it's an instacall.A good point. I suppose I was putting too much value on having the button (...but not taking advantage of it as I didn't bother to raise PF). Next time I will just fold PF with these hands -- even on the button against LAGGy players. I should have the mentality that I am playing the sort of hands that will enable me to stack these players since I don't have much fold equity. I didn't add it in my original post, but I also have my HUD display a player's went to showdown percentage. The SB's WTS% was around 35% (I'm at work and cannot give you an exact number; I will update this to the exact number when I get home -- if I remember). Coupled with seeing half of all flops, this is a higher than average WTS%, and since he has aggressive stats, I can expect him to play back at button aggression more often than not. With that in mind, I should have the "stack him" mentality rather than "take away unwanted pots from him" mentality. Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted April 29, 2008 Share Posted April 29, 2008 Merby your looseness preflop puts you in a lot of difficult situations postflop. Tighten up a bit man. Link to post Share on other sites
Merby 3 Posted April 29, 2008 Author Share Posted April 29, 2008 Merby your looseness preflop puts you in a lot of difficult situations postflop. Tighten up a bit man.Yeah, probably my biggest leak in my game was my preflop play. I'm way too loose/passive for my tastes (and compared to my NLHE game, this is really a surprise that I allowed his to happen). As much as I would like to blame it on the fact that many of my opponents are even looser playing preflop (with stats like 90/40, 50/2, 40/20, 80/6, etc...) I really only have myself to blame.These posted hands, together with several hands I self analyzed but did not post have driven this fact home. I plan to focus on improving my preflop play over the next couple of sessions and see if that improves things. Link to post Share on other sites
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