SCS 0 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Hero ($30.25)BB ($23.20)UTG ($33.80)MP ($27.30)CO ($25.75)Button ($28.95)Preflop: Hero is SB with K , Q . 3 folds, Button raises to $1, Hero calls $1, BB calls.Flop: ($3.00) J , 7 , Q (3 players)Hero bets $2.25, BB folds, Button raises to $6, Hero calls. Turn: ($15.00) T (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $7, Hero raises to $23.25 (all in).I'm not sure why I lead out on flop.Villain is 10.53/8.77/2.50 over 114 hands overall, but is looser on the button (20/15). Link to post Share on other sites
Webslinger516 0 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Nice hand. I think I'm fine with the way it was played on every street. I might reraise PF with KQs short-handed to get a better idea of villain's range. I think check-calling the turn after villain bets 1/2 the pot would just be too weak. You have top pair with a royal flush draw. I like the check-raise all-in. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Meh. I think if he's really nitty, that you can just call the turn and fold the river pretty safely unless you improve your hand. I doubt that your hand is best now and I doubt you're ever making him fold a better hand, so CRAI on the turn seems kind of silly. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Hero ($30.25)BB ($23.20)UTG ($33.80)MP ($27.30)CO ($25.75)Button ($28.95)Preflop: Hero is SB with K , Q . 3 folds, Button raises to $1, Hero calls $1, BB calls.Flop: ($3.00) J , 7 , Q (3 players)Hero bets $2.25, BB folds, Button raises to $6, Hero calls. Turn: ($15.00) T (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $7, Hero raises to $23.25 (all in).I'm not sure why I lead out on flop.Villain is 10.53/8.77/2.50 over 114 hands overall, but is looser on the button (20/15).wow that is a nit, I think I check call the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I probably 3-bet preflop, but calling is fine (just don't make a habit of it).I probably check/call the flop. I don't really like donkbetting here.I don't really know whether you are bluffing or value betting the turn. I think you should c/c and see what happens on the river. I don't think you often have the best hand when he bets $7. Link to post Share on other sites
Webslinger516 0 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Oh, he's a nit? I don't know what 10.53/8.77/2.50 over 114 hands means. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Oh, he's a nit? I don't know what 10.53/8.77/2.50 over 114 hands means.plays 10% hands raises 8% of those, plays pretty aggressively....The bet on the turn is a bluff, he is going to call with all hands better and fold anything you beat. Link to post Share on other sites
Webslinger516 0 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 plays 10% hands raises 8% of those, plays pretty aggressively....The bet on the turn is a bluff, he is going to call with all hands better and fold anything you beat.Ah thanks for the reply. I've always wanted to ask but i was too scurred.After the discussion, I agree that calling the 1/2 pot bet on the turn is fine. It looks like villain has AA, KK, or AQ. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 It looks like villain has AA, KK, or AQ.agreed Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 It looks like villain has AA, KK.agreed Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Are these stats only nitty at 6-max? Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Are these stats only nitty at 6-max?they are pretty tight, but of course 1/3rd less tight than at Full Ring Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Are these stats only nitty at 6-max?They would be pretty nitty at full ring.At 6max he's a supernit. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 They would be pretty nitty at full ring.At 6max he's a supernit.Yeah, a standard player who's playing pretty TAG should run at like 16/14 or somewhere in there at full ring and closer to 20/18 in 6 max. The guy descrubed is a supernit, as Simo points out. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Yeah, a standard player who's playing pretty TAG should run at like 16/14 or somewhere in there at full ring and closer to 20/18 in 6 max. The guy descrubed is a supernit, as Simo points out.i think 22/17 is standard tag in 6 max FWIW Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 i think 22/17 is standard tag in 6 max FWIWEh, I'm trying to gage it off of what I do. I played pretty LAG IMO and I was running at like 24.5/19 or something like that. I wouldn't consider 22/17 a whole lot tighter than myself. I mean, it doesn't really matter anyway, it's a matter of opinion and the main point has been made in the thread. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 i think 22/17 is standard tag in 6 max FWIWI don't think 22 VPIP is in any way tight.18/15 is TAG at 6max imo, and anything 22/17 and above is somewhat LAG.A true LAG for me is 24/20+.We need an acronym for between TAG and LAG. What if you're aggressive, but not tight nor loose. Where's the middle ground? Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I don't think 22 VPIP is in any way tight.18/15 is TAG at 6max imo, and anything 22/17 and above is somewhat LAG.A true LAG for me is 24/20+.We need an acronym for between TAG and LAG. What if you're aggressive, but not tight nor loose. Where's the middle ground?TAG is the middle ground. It's the middle ground between LAG and Nit. We'll assume they're all aggressive, so TAGs have the middling stats. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 TAG is the middle ground. It's the middle ground between LAG and Nit. We'll assume they're all aggressive, so TAGs have the middling stats.TAG = Tight Aggressive.I just like to be precise. Just because someone isn't a nit and isn't loose doesn't mean they are tight.This is me being an acronym nit, but w/e.(Actually, I prefer using TAA/TAP/LAA/LAP because it gives a lot more info using 3 letters) Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I don't think 22 VPIP is in any way tight.18/15 is TAG at 6max imo, and anything 22/17 and above is somewhat LAG.A true LAG for me is 24/20+.We need an acronym for between TAG and LAG. What if you're aggressive, but not tight nor loose. Where's the middle ground?SAGI mean, it doesn't really matter anyway, it's a matter of opinion and the main point has been made in the thread.I have a tendency to hijack on tangents once I feel a question has been answered. Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Are these stats only nitty at 6-max?They're pretty nitty full ring but 6-max that's super tight though not really enough hands to say that for certain. Link to post Share on other sites
Dictius 0 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I think sLAG means slightly loose aggressive, somewhere between LAG and TAG. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Nice hand. I think I'm fine with the way it was played on every street. I might reraise PF with KQs short-handed to get a better idea of villain's range.This thinking is flawed. If you reraise preflop, and he calls... what new information do you have? If answer here is that he's only going to call our 3-bet with a strong hand, so we know we're beat, then your 3-bet was a spew, not to mention when he 4-bets us with a better hand and we're forced to fold. Link to post Share on other sites
TheWanderer 0 Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 I hate shoving the turn. It folds out all the hands you beat. Just call the turn and call the river. Link to post Share on other sites
Webslinger516 0 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 This thinking is flawed. If you reraise preflop, and he calls... what new information do you have? If answer here is that he's only going to call our 3-bet with a strong hand, so we know we're beat, then your 3-bet was a spew, not to mention when he 4-bets us with a better hand and we're forced to fold.That's true, good point. This was before I realized the player was nitty - I didn't know what the stats meant. Also: I didn't read the title. My thinking was that because he raised on the button, he could be stealing with a wide range, so by reraising I could just take control of the pot and maybe win it right there. But you're right, calling is 100x better. Link to post Share on other sites
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