New Challenge ( Tourney Style )

[silkyjonson 1]

55. I hit the A, he rivered a 5.I called for 2 reasons:1. Odds2. I put him on a wider range because of the fact that I was on the button and it was a stealing position, so I figured that he could be shoving any 2 face, medium to high pocket pair. I didn't necessarily put him on a big hand. Maybe I was just trying to convince myself that he didn't have a huge hand, given the odds.

I think your analysis is fine, with 1. being a huge backup to why folding will never be a large mistake could be a slight mistake, but lets remember we are playing tournies for the long run and in the long run getting 2-1 you look for every reason why you should call not why you should fold.This is the exact point I'm trying to make, if you have been active around the bubble (I'm assuming you have with your stack and that you post on FCP so you should know the concept) a lot of people understand that you are raising light and decide to shove on you. IMO people give to much credit to the average players completely fearing the bubble and only playing premium hands. In a 4$ tourney people are much more driven by I HAZZ TWO FIVVESS, ALLLLLINNN then thinking about busting on the bubble etc.He showed up with 55 and you were in a great spot with a coin flip, factoring in your own image is really important and raising on the button with a big stack on the bubble spells steal to many players looking to get their hands on some chips.To say that you have 3 outs etc 90% is overestimating the tightness of players, it might be a little diff if you raised utg and he shoved utg+2 you and he had been tight etc.Alot of gibberish in that post mixed in from peoples replies hope this helps some people.

[Sheiky 0]

Hot damn, talk about good spots for aces...PokerStars Game #15765495283: Tournament #79784076, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2008/03/05 - 18:06:32 (ET)Table '79784076 8' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: SSDAS (24680 in chips) Seat 2: andrew_mofo (22146 in chips) Seat 3: gepson78 (22640 in chips) Seat 4: ld3ab1o (13566 in chips) Seat 5: giorosa (12468 in chips) Seat 6: allanb1961 (12386 in chips) Seat 7: Wondervegas (6312 in chips) Seat 8: 1Madness8 (17892 in chips) SSDAS: posts the ante 75andrew_mofo: posts the ante 75gepson78: posts the ante 75ld3ab1o: posts the ante 75giorosa: posts the ante 75allanb1961: posts the ante 75Wondervegas: posts the ante 751Madness8: posts the ante 75giorosa: posts small blind 400allanb1961: posts big blind 800*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to SSDAS [Ac As]Wondervegas: calls 8001Madness8: raises 800 to 1600SSDAS: raises 4400 to 6000andrew_mofo: folds gepson78: folds ld3ab1o: folds giorosa: folds allanb1961: folds Wondervegas: raises 237 to 6237 and is all-in1Madness8: calls 4637SSDAS: calls 237*** FLOP *** [Qd 6c 5h]1Madness8: checks SSDAS: bets 18368 and is all-in1Madness8: calls 11580 and is all-in*** TURN *** [Qd 6c 5h] [4s]*** RIVER *** [Qd 6c 5h 4s] [7h]*** SHOW DOWN ***1Madness8: shows [Ks Kc] (a pair of Kings)SSDAS: shows [Ac As] (a pair of Aces)SSDAS collected 23160 from side potWondervegas: shows [Jc Js] (a pair of Jacks)SSDAS collected 20511 from main pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 43671 Main pot 20511. Side pot 23160. | Rake 0 Board [Qd 6c 5h 4s 7h]Seat 1: SSDAS showed [Ac As] and won (43671) with a pair of AcesSeat 2: andrew_mofo folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: gepson78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: ld3ab1o (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: giorosa (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: allanb1961 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 7: Wondervegas showed [Jc Js] and lost with a pair of JacksSeat 8: 1Madness8 showed [Ks Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings

[jjgoldy5 0]

I think your analysis is fine, with 1. being a huge backup to why folding will never be a large mistake could be a slight mistake, but lets remember we are playing tournies for the long run and in the long run getting 2-1 you look for every reason why you should call not why you should fold.This is the exact point I'm trying to make, if you have been active around the bubble (I'm assuming you have with your stack and that you post on FCP so you should know the concept) a lot of people understand that you are raising light and decide to shove on you. IMO people give to much credit to the average players completely fearing the bubble and only playing premium hands. In a 4$ tourney people are much more driven by I HAZZ TWO FIVVESS, ALLLLLINNN then thinking about busting on the bubble etc.He showed up with 55 and you were in a great spot with a coin flip, factoring in your own image is really important and raising on the button with a big stack on the bubble spells steal to many players looking to get their hands on some chips.To say that you have 3 outs etc 90% is overestimating the tightness of players, it might be a little diff if you raised utg and he shoved utg+2 you and he had been tight etc.Alot of gibberish in that post mixed in from peoples replies hope this helps some people.

For some reason, I read this as a MP raise and a button shove.... not sure why. That makes his range a bit wider here imo, and I don't dislike the call nearly as much.Imo, even a tighter image goes out the window when a big stack raises on the button close to a bubble.

[Gallo 1]

loooooool, yes I read villain as being on a draw here. Villain did same exact thing earlier with a gutshot to suck out.Full Tilt Poker Game #5519422174: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (42002914), Table 3 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:54:30 ET - 2008/03/05Seat 1: flagface50 (2,360)Seat 3: GalloFX (3,885)Seat 4: scheasy (2,250)Seat 5: TDG930 (955)Seat 6: teddy315 (4,445)Seat 7: hangwith3 (1,365)Seat 8: MUSKY1976 (2,410)Seat 9: kiki ding ding (2,440)flagface50 posts the small blind of 50GalloFX posts the big blind of 100The button is in seat #9*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to GalloFX [4h 2c]scheasy foldsTDG930 foldsteddy315 foldshangwith3 foldsMUSKY1976 foldskiki ding ding foldsflagface50 calls 50GalloFX checks*** FLOP *** [2d 5c Ad]flagface50 checksGalloFX bets 100flagface50 raises to 200GalloFX raises to 500flagface50 raises to 2,260, and is all inGalloFX calls 1,760flagface50 shows [4c Jd]GalloFX shows [4h 2c]*** TURN *** [2d 5c Ad] [Ks]*** RIVER *** [2d 5c Ad Ks] [Qd]flagface50 shows Ace King highGalloFX shows a pair of TwosGalloFX wins the pot (4,720) with a pair of Twosflagface50 stands up*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 4,720 | Rake 0Board: [2d 5c Ad Ks Qd]Seat 1: flagface50 (small blind) showed [4c Jd] and lost with Ace King highSeat 3: GalloFX (big blind) showed [4h 2c] and won (4,720) with a pair of TwosSeat 4: scheasy didn't bet (folded)Seat 5: TDG930 didn't bet (folded)Seat 6: teddy315 didn't bet (folded)Seat 7: hangwith3 didn't bet (folded)Seat 8: MUSKY1976 didn't bet (folded)Seat 9: kiki ding ding (button) didn't bet (folded)flagface50 (Observer): spyware?GalloFX: lol readwareGalloFX: BINK!!flagface50 (Observer): reported

[Dapper Dan G 0]

I've actually played tight and have shown down good hands. This player was shortstack and had shoved a few times, nothing really premium from what I remember. I have not really been stealing from the button that much. But the player was somewhat new to the table. As far as range goes, I put him on somewhat of a wide range, so it doesn't necessarily mean that they have hi pocket pair or AK something along those lines. I'm thinking that this player has put me on a somewhat wide range since it is the bubble and I am in a stealing position.So, if my thinking is that I am in a possible race situation and there is a little over 12,000 in the pot, I'd be getting about 2:1 odds no?

11,637 to call 6,767, so 1.72/1, which means you need 36.8% equity for this to be a break even call

[Gallo 1]

11,637 to call 6,767, so 1.72/1, which means you need 36.8% equity for this to be a break even call

I actually came up with 12417 or am I adding wrong?

[FARGOpokerND 22]

nothing more fun than being a 55-45 favorite over the nuts on the flop with your jack highPokerStars Game #15785466249: Tournament #79860473, $8.00+$0.80 Omaha Pot Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/03/06 - 15:33:32 (ET)Table '79860473 25' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: kid_canvass (1340 in chips) Seat 2: Its Ova (1460 in chips) Seat 3: RATT45 (1740 in chips) Seat 4: Karaba$ (1820 in chips) Seat 5: ducks20 (1480 in chips) Seat 6: ADDILAC299 (1500 in chips) Seat 7: floods88 (1500 in chips) is sitting outSeat 8: alonso88 (1280 in chips) Seat 9: sisi134 (1380 in chips) ducks20: posts small blind 10ADDILAC299: posts big blind 20*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to ADDILAC299 [Tc 6h 7h Jc]floods88: folds alonso88: folds sisi134: folds kid_canvass: calls 20Its Ova: folds RATT45: calls 20Karaba$: calls 20ducks20 is disconnected ducks20 has timed out while disconnectedducks20: folds ducks20 is sitting outADDILAC299: checks *** FLOP *** [9h 8h Kd]ducks20 is connected ADDILAC299: bets 90ducks20 has returnedkid_canvass: folds RATT45: calls 90Karaba$: raises 250 to 340ADDILAC299: raises 860 to 1200RATT45: folds Karaba$: raises 600 to 1800 and is all-inADDILAC299: calls 280 and is all-in*** TURN *** [9h 8h Kd] [6d]*** RIVER *** [9h 8h Kd 6d] [Ad]*** SHOW DOWN ***ADDILAC299: shows [Tc 6h 7h Jc] (a straight, Six to Ten)Karaba$: shows [Kc Qs Ks Ts] (three of a kind, Kings)ADDILAC299 collected 3140 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 3140 | Rake 0 Board [9h 8h Kd 6d Ad]Seat 1: kid_canvass folded on the FlopSeat 2: Its Ova folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: RATT45 folded on the FlopSeat 4: Karaba$ (button) showed [Kc Qs Ks Ts] and lost with three of a kind, KingsSeat 5: ducks20 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: ADDILAC299 (big blind) showed [Tc 6h 7h Jc] and won (3140) with a straight, Six to TenSeat 7: floods88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: alonso88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: sisi134 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[silkyjonson 1]

I actually came up with 12417 or am I adding wrong?

Actually I overcalculated the pot too, DDG's numbers are correct so your getting 1.7-1 which makes it easier to fold but for all the other factors I still think I lean towards a call.

[Ex_Matt 0]

They dont call it the internuts for nothin.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero (t1790)MP2 (t1655)CO (t5375)Button (t8715)SB (t1675)BB (t1995)UTG (t2270)UTG+1 (t3700)Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, K. 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t400, Hero raises to t1790, 3 folds, SB calls t1575 (All-In), 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t1390.Flop: (t5455) 9, 7, 3(3 players, 1 all-in)Turn: (t5455) T(3 players, 1 all-in)River: (t5455) 3(3 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: t5455Results in white below: SB has 8h 8s (flush, ten high). UTG+1 has Qh Kd (one pair, threes). Hero has Qd Ks (flush, king high). Outcome: Hero wins t5455.

[ThePhoenix88 0]

This is heads up in a 4.40. Posting the entire hand for reasons of my own. So far throughout this final table everytime he has had better than two pair he has check shoved every time when OOP. When in position he usually just shoves even if there wasn't a bet. What should I do here?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (2 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)Hero (t125731)Button (t144269)Preflop: Hero is BB with , . Button calls t1000, Hero raises to t6000, Button calls t4000.Flop: (t11200) , , (2 players)Hero checks, Button checks.Turn: (t11200) (2 players)Hero bets t16000, Button raises to t32000, Hero calls t16000.River: (t75200) (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets t10000, Hero raises to t34000, Button raises to t106069, Hero calls t53531 (All-In).Final Pot: t250262Results in white below: Hero has 6s Ad (two pair, aces and sixes). Button has 3s 4s (three of a kind, fours). Outcome: Button wins t268800.

[Ex_Matt 0]

Nothin like donks overplaying AK on the 2nd hand of a tourney PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)CO (t2980)Hero (t2990)SB (t2980)BB (t3050)UTG (t3000)UTG+1 (t2980)MP1 (t3000)MP2 (t3000)MP3 (t3000)Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q. UTG calls t20, 1 fold, MP1 raises to t80, 3 folds, Hero raises to t215, 2 folds, UTG folds, MP1 raises to t3000, Hero calls t2775 (All-In).Flop: (t6040) 8, 9, T(2 players, 1 all-in)Turn: (t6040) 5(2 players, 1 all-in)River: (t6040) 6(2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: t6030Results in white below: MP1 has Kc Ah (high card, ace). Hero has Qh Qd (one pair, queens). Outcome: Hero wins t6030.

[Dapper Dan G 0]

This is heads up in a 4.40. Posting the entire hand for reasons of my own. So far throughout this final table everytime he has had better than two pair he has check shoved every time when OOP. When in position he usually just shoves even if there wasn't a bet. What should I do here?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (2 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)Hero (t125731)Button (t144269)Preflop: Hero is BB with , . Button calls t1000, Hero raises to t6000, Button calls t4000.Flop: (t11200) , , (2 players)Hero checks, Button checks.Turn: (t11200) (2 players)Hero bets t16000, Button raises to t32000, Hero calls t16000.River: (t75200) (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets t10000, Hero raises to t34000, Button raises to t106069, Hero calls t53531 (All-In).Final Pot: t250262Results in white below: Hero has 6s Ad (two pair, aces and sixes). Button has 3s 4s (three of a kind, fours). Outcome: Button wins t268800.

i probably would just check pf and try to play a smaller pot OOP. if you're going to bet, you need to be raising more, in an effort to drive him out of the pot. i'm not really sure any worse hands are calling your check raise on the river based on how the hand was played, so i probably just call the river bet. turn bet is too big as well imo.

[Vtlaxer09 4]

Here is my hand history from the 750k last sunday. This is probably one of the best examples of a tourney that I coulds get NOTHING going in but stayed patient enough to go kinda deep. I think I got lucky twice in the tournament... both times when i when I had to stick my chips in. I was on the short stack the entire tournament and I KNOW that I played it..... well.... differently we'll say. Instead of shoving in the obvious "when folded shove" situations... I picked my spots a little more carefully understanding that w/ fold equity I could stay alive with just a single steal every orbit. I dont think I played with > 10 bb's for most of the tournament. And I obv got unlucky at the end for a decent stack. I think everyone can view this... and I will probably do this more often and maybe you other donkament people can put yours up too if you have pxf...http://www.pokerxfactor.com/HH119939/750k

[sagedecarte 0]

nevermind

[Vtlaxer09 4]

nevermind

lol?

[Gallo 1]

Here is my hand history from the 750k last sunday. This is probably one of the best examples of a tourney that I coulds get NOTHING going in but stayed patient enough to go kinda deep. I think I got lucky twice in the tournament... both times when i when I had to stick my chips in. I was on the short stack the entire tournament and I KNOW that I played it..... well.... differently we'll say. Instead of shoving in the obvious "when folded shove" situations... I picked my spots a little more carefully understanding that w/ fold equity I could stay alive with just a single steal every orbit. I dont think I played with > 10 bb's for most of the tournament. And I obv got unlucky at the end for a decent stack. I think everyone can view this... and I will probably do this more often and maybe you other donkament people can put yours up too if you have pxf...http://www.pokerxfactor.com/HH119939/750k

2 things1. Do you have the version where I can just skip through hands by seeing the HH on the right side bar? If not, can you convert it to that?2. I know that PXF has always had some problems with FTP conversions for MTTs when it comes to switching tables, has PXF found a way to fix that problem (a general question)?

[Vtlaxer09 4]

2 things1. Do you have the version where I can just skip through hands by seeing the HH on the right side bar? If not, can you convert it to that?2. I know that PXF has always had some problems with FTP conversions for MTTs when it comes to switching tables, has PXF found a way to fix that problem (a general question)?

not sure if non pxf subs can view this but here ya go.http://www.pokerxfactor.com/HA119939/750k/19085just make sure u dont skip after hand like 200... cuz u can see how nitty i was.edit: dont know about your 2nd question.... i know that ftp's mtt histories give them to me as like 5-6 different documents (i assume its every time i table change.. or most of the times... ) I just copy paste in notepad and then upload the full hh.

[Gallo 1]

not sure if non pxf subs can view this but here ya go.http://www.pokerxfactor.com/HA119939/750k/19085just make sure u dont skip after hand like 200... cuz u can see how nitty i was.edit: dont know about your 2nd question.... i know that ftp's mtt histories give them to me as like 5-6 different documents (i assume its every time i table change.. or most of the times... ) I just copy paste in notepad and then upload the full hh.

I already saw how nitty you were the first 40 hands.

[jjgoldy5 0]

not sure if non pxf subs can view this but here ya go.http://www.pokerxfactor.com/HA119939/750k/19085just make sure u dont skip after hand like 200... cuz u can see how nitty i was.edit: dont know about your 2nd question.... i know that ftp's mtt histories give them to me as like 5-6 different documents (i assume its every time i table change.. or most of the times... ) I just copy paste in notepad and then upload the full hh.

biggest nit ever imo...folding 2s??Dude, i got going so well in the 11.5k last night and then my AA ran into QJ.. Ran so bad last night lol.PS fu4the3

[Vtlaxer09 4]

biggest nit ever imo...folding 2s??Dude, i got going so well in the 11.5k last night and then my AA ran into QJ.. Ran so bad last night lol.PS fu4the3

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[jjgoldy5 0]

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lbm smd etc.3 - love the way you played that4- I would pop this here, but wow that would have been a bad result14- 50/50 cbet for me 3 handed here, not a whole lot of draws they could have here30 - i would call flop bet here especially how active he was and reevaluate turn41 - ipits48 - meh - like the block bet, not much else about the hand though52 - asodfjasdoifasjdoif69 - ipits74 - sick hold89 - playing hand passive puts decision on you - bad decision on river obv, maybe minraise turn to get to cheap showdown/make decision easier on you.103- dont mind fold pre here...i was honestly surprised when you didnt (nit)111- yessss112 - wow, i def limp there, saved you though... JTs in position in multi way pot is goot205 - when did bubble break - borderline spot for a squeeze though folding is fine252, 257, 264, 272 - You have the next thing to no fold equity on all of these shoves, I dont know how they all go through lol. Good shoves imo279 - I called that 9... good friends call for cards that help their friends... not vice versa fyi294 - yes good fold299 - you phandled the beat well...laptop survived etc, +ev imoOverall - definitely well played, avoiding playing big pots with marginal hands and picking spots to steal and realizing how table image would be affected by multiple steal attempts in a row (like one hand you folded A8 the hand after stealing with JT). Pretty sick you get as far as you did with a PUFF of 8 imo... I don't remember seeing AK once, and only remember you getting 0 action with AA and KK once each

[Vtlaxer09 4]

Overall - definitely well played, avoiding playing big pots with marginal hands and picking spots to steal and realizing how table image would be affected by multiple steal attempts in a row (like one hand you folded A8 the hand after stealing with JT). Pretty sick you get as far as you did with a PUFF of 8 imo... I don't remember seeing AK once, and only remember you getting 0 action with AA and KK once each

ty sir. <3Ok.. Im playing absolutely everything tonight and I am 100% going to win something. Also in the 24+2 bracelet race thing that started 5 mins ago. Only 54 people regged so there's alike a 720$ overlay (winner takes 2k)

[HighwayStar 8]

Hand from $27.50 MTT on stars.Not noticed anything in particular about the players in this pot, all seem quite quiet although it's too early to say.I've taken down 1 pot at this table, not been active at all.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)BB (t2690)UTG (t2985)UTG+1 (t3320)MP1 (t3830)MP2 (t260)MP3 (t2955)CO (t2825)Hero (t3020)SB (t5115)Preflop: Hero is Button with K, A. UTG calls t30, 1 fold, MP1 calls t30, 3 folds, Hero raises to t150, 1 fold, BB raises to t300, UTG calls t270, MP1 calls t270, Hero ???The Limp-call UTG looks suspiciously strong to me, I get the feeling at least one person has a pair they'd be willing to get it all in with. Not sure how to play here.edit- not that I'm saying shoving is a good play here.

[HighwayStar 8]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)BB (t5185)UTG (t4420)UTG+1 (t1910)MP1 (t4865)MP2 (t2075)MP3 (t3945)CO (t2580)Hero (t3110)SB (t7625)Preflop: Hero is Button with A, K. UTG raises to t300, 2 folds, MP2 calls t300, 1 fold, CO raises to t2580, Hero???Same table in $27.50, original raiser is quite laggy, MP3 caller is a speculative passive type who has gotten lucky a couple of times, shover seems solid.Am I right in thinking the only things I beat is AQ?I'm putting him on 99-QQ, AQs+, so I guess this is a call.Opinions?

[HighwayStar 8]

Monstrous hour in $3R, shouldn't have double rebought at the end because now I'm stuck with 5k going into 2nd hour :/.Lost every race, AK < Q8, AQ<AJ. In for $30 I think :/.3.4k in $27.50