Sheiky 0 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 http://uk.news.yahoo.com/itn/20080214/tuk-...-dba1618_1.htmlJust the thought of this case being succesful is tilting me, i cannot believe just how retarded it is, a guy lose $4.4 million gambling and it's the bookmakers fault? I hope this guy loses an extra million in court fees as well. Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 That guy is a moron. Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 As sad as it seems, the bookmaker has to be somewhat accountable for their actions. Much the same as a bartender slinging drink to a guy who surely shouldn't have any.Back to gambling though, I think it's much the same way that the casinos were held somewhat accountable in the Dan Mahoney case (the movie Owning Mahoney). They were forced to repay a lot of his losses, although that was stolen money. The main reason was they made it convenient for him to lose his money because they knew he was a completely addicted gambler.Nowadays, somebody has to be accountable for every tragedy. I don't agree with it, but it's the sad truth. Link to post Share on other sites
sactownjoey 0 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 As sad as it seems, the bookmaker has to be somewhat accountable for their actions. Much the same as a bartender slinging drink to a guy who surely shouldn't have any.Back to gambling though, I think it's much the same way that the casinos were held somewhat accountable in the Dan Mahoney case (the movie Owning Mahoney). They were forced to repay a lot of his losses, although that was stolen money. The main reason was they made it convenient for him to lose his money because they knew he was a completely addicted gambler.Nowadays, somebody has to be accountable for every tragedy. I don't agree with it, but it's the sad truth.The difference is a bartender can use obvious behavior by the drunkard to cut him off and that would be done to protect the average citizen from being run down should he get behind the wheel or if he was drinking so much as to put his own life in immediate jeopardy. Is a bookmaker supposed to ask for financial statements of bettors to decide whether they are financially sound enough to absorb potential losses? A bartender is not obliged to cut someone off for fear that person may develop cirrhosis soon, just like the bookmaker should not be the arbiter of when that single bet will make someone destitute. Link to post Share on other sites
Derswick 0 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Maybe I should see if Pokerstars will give me some money back! Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 The difference is a bartender can use obvious behavior by the drunkard to cut him off and that would be done to protect the average citizen from being run down should he get behind the wheel or if he was drinking so much as to put his own life in immediate jeopardy. Is a bookmaker supposed to ask for financial statements of bettors to decide whether they are financially sound enough to absorb potential losses? A bartender is not obliged to cut someone off for fear that person may develop cirrhosis soon, just like the bookmaker should not be the arbiter of when that single bet will make someone destitute.The fact that the gambler reportedly asked to have his account shut down should have been the red flag that he had a problem.Like I said, I don't agree with it, but he'll probably win. Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 The difference is a bartender can use obvious behavior by the drunkard to cut him off and that would be done to protect the average citizen from being run down should he get behind the wheel or if he was drinking so much as to put his own life in immediate jeopardy. Is a bookmaker supposed to ask for financial statements of bettors to decide whether they are financially sound enough to absorb potential losses? A bartender is not obliged to cut someone off for fear that person may develop cirrhosis soon, just like the bookmaker should not be the arbiter of when that single bet will make someone destitute.I like this postMaybe I should see if Pokerstars will give me some money back! Nice Link to post Share on other sites
James D 0 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 The fact that the gambler reportedly asked to have his account shut down should have been the red flag that he had a problem.Like I said, I don't agree with it, but he'll probably win.However, this story is different to the one I read in a British newspaper a few days ago.I read that they did shut down his account (or at least limit it to what he advised)... but he then opened a brand new account using different credit cards. Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 However, this story is different to the one I read in a British newspaper a few days ago.I read that they did shut down his account (or at least limit it to what he advised)... however he then opened a brand new account using different credit cards.Then a different story completely. British media is terrible. Link to post Share on other sites
James D 0 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Then a different story completely. British media is terrible.Where did you read that? American media? Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Where did you read that? American media?From Canada, but been there many times. Most news feeds and papers read like tabloids. Link to post Share on other sites
silkyjonson 1 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 The difference is a bartender can use obvious behavior by the drunkard to cut him off and that would be done to protect the average citizen from being run down should he get behind the wheel or if he was drinking so much as to put his own life in immediate jeopardy. Is a bookmaker supposed to ask for financial statements of bettors to decide whether they are financially sound enough to absorb potential losses? A bartender is not obliged to cut someone off for fear that person may develop cirrhosis soon, just like the bookmaker should not be the arbiter of when that single bet will make someone destitute.Ok thats fine but really is irrelevant. If a site that offers gambling lists that they have policies in place to help problem gamblers such as allowing you to cut yourself off then they should uphold their claims, if the site in question as terms of their license must put in place viable options for addicted gamblers then they should be held accountable to some degree if those terms were not met. An example: Say I know that gambling and addiction run in my family but I have'nt yet shown those tendencies but am afraid that some day they may rear their ugly face. I just take up poker and don't agree that it is gambling and want to sign up for an online account and I made my choice of which site to deposit on due to the fact that the site I signed up with advertised a policy of providing help for problem gamblers and one way was to allow you to close down your account for good. Do you see the problem with that? It may have been that the player in question may never have signed up in the first place if not for knowing/or thinking he knew that there were avenues in place to protect him. Link to post Share on other sites
James D 0 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 From Canada, but been there many times. Most news feeds and papers read like tabloids.There are many tabloids, many broadsheets, many local papers and many news channels. Some are very biased and some are very fair. Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 There are many tabloids, many broadsheets, many local papers and many news channels. Some are very biased and some are very fair.I'm sure there are fair ones. The BBC is usually one of the more reputable sources though.Quick edit, just realized it was a yahoo source. Selfpwn. Link to post Share on other sites
Merby 3 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 As sad as it seems, the bookmaker has to be somewhat accountable for their actions. Much the same as a bartender slinging drink to a guy who surely shouldn't have any.Back to gambling though, I think it's much the same way that the casinos were held somewhat accountable in the Dan Mahoney case (the movie Owning Mahoney). They were forced to repay a lot of his losses, although that was stolen money. The main reason was they made it convenient for him to lose his money because they knew he was a completely addicted gambler.Nowadays, somebody has to be accountable for every tragedy. I don't agree with it, but it's the sad truth.It is mandatory that every poker player see this movie. It's a sober account of the downward spiral of a compulsive gambler. Definitely something worth keeping in mind for all of us who frequent this forum. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 It is mandatory that every poker player see this movie. It's a sober account of the downward spiral of a compulsive gambler. Definitely something worth keeping in mind for all of us who frequent this forum.I Netflix-ed it as soon as I saw outsiders post. Link to post Share on other sites
finztotheleft 0 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 I'm wondering if he'd be suing if he was winning..... Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 I'm wondering if he'd be suing if he was winning.....Results-oriented thinking by the compulsive gambler. =) Link to post Share on other sites
Doug 0 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Think the bookmaker should pay something for negligence but yeah its obviously its his own fault. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted February 16, 2008 Author Share Posted February 16, 2008 Imo the bookmaker shouldn't even be liable to pay anything, there's so many flaws in his argument it's unbelievable.I mean, what's to stop him going to another bookmakers and betting there? Should we sue the cigarrette companies for selling us legal products? William Hill was never going to be able to stop him gambling, just as McDonalds refusing to sell someone a burger isn't going to stop them eating fast food. William Hill shouldn't be fined for taking money of pathetic douchebags like this guy. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Should we sue the cigarrette companies for selling us legal products?You're aware that US citizens have successfully sued cigarette companies for hundreds of millions of dollars? Link to post Share on other sites
pezeveng 207 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Here in Toronto a few months ago the major casinos settled (Niagara, Woodbine, and Rama) a huge package to a bunch of degenerates that lost everything. THey had signed up to be barred from the casinos but still got in. The lawsuit claimed the casinos don't have enough security measures to keep those that sign a self barred application out. Also they have no way of tracking all the people. So now when you kick yourself out of a casino the application will say the casino is not responsible if you come back and gamble. I think they got back over 10 million in losses. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted February 16, 2008 Author Share Posted February 16, 2008 You're aware that US citizens have successfully sued cigarette companies for hundreds of millions of dollars?But wasn't that for the early years when they didn't advertise the dangers of smoking on the packets though? Link to post Share on other sites
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