Rush Hour 4 - Jackie's Revenge.

[Royal_Tour 0]

clear:I could only call the re-raise all in by UTG.. that we established. I worded it oddly in my post i know.then button pushes. when it comes back to me, they said i had the option to call or shove all in.

[simo_8ball 0]

clear:I could only call the re-raise all in by UTG.. that we established. I worded it oddly in my post i know.then button pushes.

See, at this point you say to the button:"What the **** do you think you're doing? You can't raise."That's the correct move.

[David_Nicoson 1]

See, at this point you say to the button:"What the **** do you think you're doing? You can't raise."That's the correct move.

sttbwtfdytydycr > c > f

[StilettoNole 0]

"they said i had the option to call or shove all in"This makes no sense to me. Was the table next to you playing go fish?

[Acid_Knight 2]

sttbwtfdytydycr > c > f

rocksolidFor the record: In no limit, you can bet ANY amount and are never faced with a choice of: Do you wanna call the other $50 or shove all in for $300 more.LOL trainwreck dude

[krup24 0]

confusious

[mtdesmoines 3]

clear:I could only call the re-raise all in by UTG.. that we established. I worded it oddly in my post i know.then button pushes. when it comes back to me, they said i had the option to call or shove all in.

"They" are idiots. FLOOR ! ! ! !Of course, all that narrows your range to TT JJ QQ or AK, and you might as well fold as play your hand face up.

[Royal_Tour 0]

I have no idea what you guys are talking about.there is an article in this months Cardplayer talking about this exact same situation.certain casino's have different rules.at Venetian, they said I could only call the UTG's re-raise all in since it was a short raise, but button can go all in. once he goes all in, I can then also raise/go all in.i dunno.. it was annoying and confusing

[David_Nicoson 1]

I have no idea what you guys are talking about.there is an article in this months Cardplayer talking about this exact same situation.certain casino's have different rules.at Venetian, they said I could only call the UTG's re-raise all in since it was a short raise, but button can go all in. once he goes all in, I can then also raise/go all in.i dunno.. it was annoying and confusing

This is how I'm reading the action in the hand. Right?UTG raises to 10. Hero reraises to 42. Button calls. SB calls. UTG raises all-in to 58. Hero calls. ??? Button raises all-in to 92. ???How would a rule read that prevents you from raising but allows the button to? Why does button get to reraise the short raise? It sounds like they just screwed up.

[krup24 0]

now i know we have rarely deleted threads from strat but can we just expunge this one to the recycling bin

[Acid_Knight 2]

there is an article in this months Cardplayer talking about this exact same situation.

I'm pretty sure that it was nowhere near to this exact same situation

certain casino's have different rules.at Venetian, they said I could only call the UTG's re-raise all in since it was a short raise, but button can go all in. once he goes all in, I can then also raise/go all in.

There are no rules written anywhere that would allow the button to shove after you're not allowed (correctly) to reraise the UTG player. Whoever was running the game and made the decisions (dealer/floor) was just flat out wrong.

now i know we have rarely deleted threads from strat but can we just expunge this one to the recycling bin

Seconded and carried...

[mtdesmoines 3]

certain casino's have different rules. at Venetian, they said I could only call the UTG's re-raise all in since it was a short raise, but button can go all in. once he goes all in, I can then also raise/go all in. i dunno.. it was annoying and confusing

There are no rules written anywhere that would allow the button to shove after you're not allowed (correctly) to reraise the UTG player. Whoever was running the game and made the decisions (dealer/floor) was just flat out wrong.

Yeah.Shove and hit quads.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Yes, lets dispose of a thread that could be a valuable lesson for playing live?The rule is that since I was an original raiser, and button only called my raise, that when it gets back to UTG as last to act he has the option to push,fold or call, but its a short raise, which means the betting is NOT re-open to me, It is possible for button to raise because he was not the original raise during that rotation of action.At least thats their ruling, and one I read in cardplayer, where the article mentioned how bogus a rule that is.

[krup24 0]

Yes, lets dispose of a thread that could be a valuable lesson for playing live?The rule is that since I was an original raiser, and button only called my raise, that when it gets back to UTG as last to act he has the option to push,fold or call, but its a short raise, which means the betting is NOT re-open to me, It is possible for button to raise because he was not the original raise during that rotation of action.At least thats their ruling, and one I read in cardplayer, where the article mentioned how bogus a rule that is.

WHY is it possible for button to raise again? WHAT allows him to?

[Acid_Knight 2]

WHY is it possible for button to raise again? WHAT allows him to?

Nothing does. There is no rule. Someone ****ed up. That is all.

[Royal_Tour 0]

WHY is it possible for button to raise again? WHAT allows him to?

Stop with the head banging on the wall idiot. I didnt invent these rulings, i just followd what floor told me.Its possible for him because He was the original Raiser during that round.so it goes, UTG raise. Royal Tour re-raise. button call sb call. back to UTG to close the action, But he moves all in, but its not a complete raise. So, the rule there is I cant re-raise, I can only call, because I was the original raiser. But if it was a full raise, I would be able to re-raise.Then It gets to button, and because He was NOT the orginal raiser of the previous round, he has the option to re-raise the short raise. I also think this is stupid, but you should check in your cardroom next time what the rule is. I know in some casino's in canada they implement the 50% rule which is a LHE rule.anyways, if u can check the newest cardplayer with chip reese on the front. Its a article at the back about the short raise ruling in NL etc.

[krup24 0]

stupid rule but i think that's the first time in this entire thread that you actually thoroughly explained itnever encountered it

[Acid_Knight 2]

Then It gets to button, and because He was NOT the orginal raiser of the previous round, he has the option to re-raise the short raise.

It's just wrong dude, that's all. They made a mistake. The fact that he wasn't the raiser in a previous round has nothing to do with anything.

[Ouch-8s 4]

It's just wrong dude, that's all. They made a mistake. The fact that he wasn't the raiser in a previous round has nothing to do with anything.

well it shouldn't but who knows, i've seen some strange rulings. where is 13CARDS to tell us we're all wrong but not explain why?

[psujohn 0]

The rule is that since I was an original raiser, and button only called my raise, that when it gets back to UTG as last to act he has the option to push,fold or call, but its a short raise, which means the betting is NOT re-open to me, It is possible for button to raise because he was not the original raise during that rotation of action.

And you had this rule confirmed to you by a floor person? If this is indeed the rule then the rule is retarded. I think it's more likely that the dealer has no clue. It's not exactly a situation that comes up daily.If the floor insists that this is the correct ruling you should muck, cash in your chips and never play there again. Any room that could come up with a ruling this stupid can't be trusted.

[Nikki_N 17]

He never has an option other than calling based on the statements in the OP.Therefore this post is essentially: Should I call with JJ preflop getting infinity to 1 pot odds, or should I fold?RT = Donk

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[David_Nicoson 1]

There's a new cardplayer available online, Issue 26Is the relevant article in it?

[David_Nicoson 1]

Since we're talking about this again.Card Player Article

[Royal_Tour 0]

Since we're talking about this again.Card Player Article

thats the article i was talking about

[Acid_Knight 2]

thats the article i was talking about

Right. Action comes back to you. It's not a legal raise, so you cannot reraise it. If you can't reraise it, how can you have the option of shoving all in, which I'm pretty sure is a reraise?He's also talking about minimum allowable reraises in that article.