TB17 0 Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 Villain was a 15/12 pretty standard TAG, got stacked with KK/AA, then about 5 orbits later I check and he's near 20/15.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)BB ($84.85)UTG ($232.70)MP ($350.85)Hero ($693.90)Button ($100.95)SB ($82.55)Preflop: Hero is CO with , . 1 fold, MP raises to $8, Hero calls $8, Button calls $8, SB calls $7, BB calls $6.Flop: ($40) , , (5 players)SB checks, BB checks, MP bets $20, Hero raises to $65, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, MP raises to $342.85 Link to post Share on other sites
drcossack 0 Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 Villain was a 15/12 pretty standard TAG, got stacked with KK/AA, then about 5 orbits later I check and he's near 20/15.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)BB ($84.85)UTG ($232.70)MP ($350.85)Hero ($693.90)Button ($100.95)SB ($82.55)Preflop: Hero is CO with , . 1 fold, MP raises to $8, Hero calls $8, Button calls $8, SB calls $7, BB calls $6.Flop: ($40) , , (5 players)SB checks, BB checks, MP bets $20, Hero raises to $65, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, MP raises to $342.85 Call, cry/kick the cat/throw mouse against the wall when he counterfeits/runner runners quads. Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 i dunno i put villian on very few hands. AA, KK, AKh, QKh, AK tough spot don't know if i'm good enough to get away. and i fold this pf probably 90% of the time. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 Snap call...reasoning in challenge thread Link to post Share on other sites
staggo 0 Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 looks like ak or something like khqh...I don't see how you could fold here Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 I don't think he plays KK that fast (there's another raise interval in there for him with top set I'm sure) and you beat everything else.Snap call and I'm gonna check the challege thread and see what's up. Link to post Share on other sites
noteye 0 Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 I think it is a dangerous call, you are most likely ahead but it is a weak hand, I would have to call, AK he wouldn't have bet so much, KK he would have sucked you in, you are just over 50% if he has Kh Xh, you have to go with your gut on this one Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 I think it is a dangerous call, you are most likely ahead but it is a weak hand, I would have to call, AK he wouldn't have bet so much, KK he would have sucked you in, you are just over 50% if he has Kh Xh, you have to go with your gut on this oneDoesn't matter. You're ahead of everything except KK and flipping or WA of everything else. Snap call. Link to post Share on other sites
mikeysong 0 Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 fist pump, shove! Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Everyone says we're only behind KK. Does no one include 66, 99 in his range? Less likely since OP holds both a six and a nine, but I think many players play any set this way. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Everyone says we're only behind KK. Does no one include 66, 99 in his range? Less likely since OP holds both a six and a nine, but I think many players play any set this way.There was a little bit more discussion in the challenge thread (of general poker) on this one. It's kind of rough because a lot of the better players post their hands there instead of here, so you have to look in there a lot for hands too, but there are some great pieces of information in that thread.Not that I like pimping people to leave NL Strat but, you can help your game by reading through there (I actually think you post in there, you might have just missed the discussion). Basically he could have those other sets but those are case cards out and it's just a super cooler. If he's open raising K6/k9ss the only suited combination is spades, because there is a K club on board, we have them in dia and the hearts are out there. This is way more likely to be a tilting guy shoving a flush draw, AK, AA, or something worse.The results were that he shoved KQo and hero won a big pot. Link to post Share on other sites
sactownjoey 0 Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 What does the MP 1/2 pot post flop bet tell everyone? Trap or weak?Ahh, see above that it was weak. Link to post Share on other sites
TB17 0 Posted December 27, 2007 Author Share Posted December 27, 2007 The results were that he shoved KQo and hero won a big pot.Don't forget the Ah coming on the river and me slamming my mouse down prematurely Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Don't forget the Ah coming on the river and me slamming my mouse down prematurelyLol, yeah, because by now all you beat is KQo :/Running better lately? (Aside from live, saw the trip report, lollerskates) Link to post Share on other sites
pt special 0 Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 ya i dont see how u can fold there, since it was obv he was steaming and u flop bottom 2 vs himboard is so sickly draw heavy that folding this would be a huge mistake.......and hes going broke with top pair Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 I don't think he plays KK that fast (there's another raise interval in there for him with top set I'm sure) and you beat everything else.Snap call and I'm gonna check the challege thread and see what's up.why wouldnt he? you would.anyways, obv brag post at OP trying to save a little face from his vegas bust out.Teddy trying to show us he is a winning player but u give off tells like a 12 year old russian prostitute. end thread/also, fold preflop.6,9suited is such trash. honest to god trash to play that way. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 why wouldnt he? you would.No, there's another interval in there for me with KK or any hand I'm gonna raise there. Link to post Share on other sites
throwemaway 0 Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 No, there's another interval in there for me with KK or any hand I'm gonna raise there.What do you mean by another interval Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 What do you mean by another intervalhe means instead of goingall in. he reraises. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 he means instead of goingall in. he reraises.Yeah, stack sizes are pretty awkwardly large and the board isn't draw-heavy enough for me to feel the need to make a huge overbet shove here, so I'd just put in another raise of like 3x his raise and then call if he shoves. Link to post Share on other sites
throwemaway 0 Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 Ok thats what I figured, just never heard that term used before Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 also, fold preflop.6,9suited is such trash. honest to god trash to play that way.I agree that folding pre-flop is preferred, but I don't think it's crazy to call in that spot against a TAG depending on how he plays post-flop...you'll be able to take the pot away pretty frequently. Maybe not as much when he's tilting, but then your implied odds go up.I'm not frequently a fan of bottom two against heavy action and don't think it's a mistake to regularly throw it away in such scenarios, but in this particular case, Stove says this...Hand 0: 46.337% 46.33% 00.00% 23853 1.50 { KK+, 99, 66, AKs, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, KQs, KhJh, KhTh, K9s, QhJh, QhTh, JhTh, Th8h, 8h7h, 7h5h, AKo, KQo, K9o }Hand 1: 53.663% 53.66% 00.00% 27624 1.50 { 9d6d }Yeah, we're essentially "flipping", but considering all of the money in the pot, we only need to be 39%, so yeah...this is a pretty clear call. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 Wassup Marchant? Haven't seen you in forever. I was gonna hit you up on AIM, but you're not on there either. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 I agree that folding pre-flop is preferred, but I don't think it's crazy to call in that spot against a TAG depending on how he plays post-flop...you'll be able to take the pot away pretty frequently. Maybe not as much when he's tilting, but then your implied odds go up.I'm not frequently a fan of bottom two against heavy action and don't think it's a mistake to regularly throw it away in such scenarios, but in this particular case, Stove says this...Hand 0: 46.337% 46.33% 00.00% 23853 1.50 { KK+, 99, 66, AKs, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, KQs, KhJh, KhTh, K9s, QhJh, QhTh, JhTh, Th8h, 8h7h, 7h5h, AKo, KQo, K9o }Hand 1: 53.663% 53.66% 00.00% 27624 1.50 { 9d6d }Yeah, we're essentially "flipping", but considering all of the money in the pot, we only need to be 39%, so yeah...this is a pretty clear call.ya, HU is different tho,, we saw this flop 5 handed. Link to post Share on other sites
sactownjoey 0 Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 War Eagle, Cobalt. Link to post Share on other sites
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