Home Game Etiquette 1 2 Nl

[Balloon guy 158]

lol. you always make me laugh balloonguy. Actually the 2 am was set as a stop time a few months ago because the games would always get out of hand. It was always, one more hand, then one more hour and then before you know it, it's 5 am or 6 am and then all the wives would get pissed because we'd all be tired and out of commission for all of sunday because we were all so tired.

THAT's how it's supposed to be.We had to play cash for the first two hours, then play a couple $20 freeze outs. By the time the last one finished, everyone else had left so we can end around 11:00 PMI am kind of unsure how you guys can play with such high stakes and not have tempers flair. We have tried to keep our game super low stakes so that no one can get hurt. And the winner from the first tourn usually tries to lose the second one. But not all the guys play like that. We tell them they have a target on their backs though

[Dratj 0]

THAT's how it's supposed to be.We had to play cash for the first two hours, then play a couple $20 freeze outs. By the time the last one finished, everyone else had left so we can end around 11:00 PMI am kind of unsure how you guys can play with such high stakes and not have tempers flair. We have tried to keep our game super low stakes so that no one can get hurt. And the winner from the first tourn usually tries to lose the second one. But not all the guys play like that. We tell them they have a target on their backs though

It's funny how you think 1 2 nl is high stakes. I think your wealth will crush me. Most of the regulars I play with are good friends who've been gambling since they were teenagers. I don't mind playing $20 Sng's just for fun but there's no way I'd convince them to play that.

[DCJ001 0]

One of my friends who's a regular tells him he has to stay. He's up money and there's only 20 min. left to the night. Chiro guy gets pissed and saids nobody tells me what to do with my money, I'm leaving for sure now.

Nobody should tell him to stay. If he does stay, you can't make him play a hand, if he doesn't mind losing his blinds.

So, now I'm a little upset and tell him calmly that it is indeed bad etiquette to do what he's doing. There's only 20 min. left and you're up money, it's proper to stay and finish it up.

It's not bad etiquette for him to leave the game. It's improper for you to tell him "it's proper to stay and finish it up."

At this point, he reluctantly and in a pissy mood decides to stay. I said forget it, you don't want to stay, we'll just finish up without you. He then leaves and saids that he would have stayed if my other friend didn't make that comment which I don't believe at all.

Once he said that he would stay, you should have kept your mouth shut and let the game finish. He probably decided to leave again because of what you said.

Now, I feel that he kinda hit and run because he's super tight and only plays premium hands. Straight forward poker. Most of us other guys are very LAG and he admits it makes him feel uncomfortable. We push him off a lot of hands. He's overly excited to win pots, bangs on the table instead of calmly scooping in the chips as would be appropriate and takes forever to make a decision when he has a good hand (Hollywooding to induce a call). So, when he did manage to get a decent win out of the night, he decides that's it, I don't want to risk losing it in the last 20 minutes.

Banging on the table is the worst etiquette, poker-wise, that you've expressed thus far.

Was a right in telling him or should I have just kept my mouth shut?

You should have kept your mouth shut.

[IWANTTOBERICHDAMMIT 0]

lol tuff guy i think you were out of line for making him stay if theres only 20 minutes left even if there was an hour left .. it all depends on how long he was there for if hes been there under an hour then thats def a hit and run and id not invite him back ever again

tuff guy..what?Kids today are killing poker.

[whatgreatis 0]

I play live allllll the time and you need to keep the atmosphere light. It really is important. I also agree with Mark about not calling etiquette on fish. You want everyone at the table to feel comfortable and when you tell someone to stay 20 minutes you're making the whole scene awkward. Next time I'd congrat him on winning and make sure he knows the time to next weeks game.KEEP IT FRIENDLY

[Buckeye Hughes 0]

This dude is evidently pretty faggoty. Don't put up with that shit dude.. know how when you're playing in a game online and you stack off, lose, the dude leaves? Don't you want to say something? Beat him with a stick? Insult a deceased family member? Get er done. That dude would have ended up getting smacked at my game.

You're a fan of Jamie Gold, so your opinion is pretty much void.

Am I the only one that has ever played with real poker players? If you're up, you stay.. unless something has come up, like an appointment or something. You have the money, these other guys are probably feeling a little down.. you know, why leave a hot seat? I don't know. I wouldn't just leave with all the money, unless the game ended.. myself or any decent human-being I know.

tuff guy..what?Kids today are killing poker.

Can we have this POS banned already?

[uncooper 1]

Home games should have very clear rules for all the things that vary from game to game. This includes:- does cash play- min/max buyin- do you have to post blinds if you miss an orbit- how much of a raise does an all-in have to be to open betting (if betting was closed for a round)- can all-in players agree to run it twice- do players have to give notice to leave if they are upIf you run the game, you should be clear about the rules and strict about infractions you notice. If you are lax about rules, someone eventually will get upset, and probably rightfully so.If you are a player in the game, call rules when it is to your advantage and let it slide when it is to your advantage.

[finztotheleft 0]

chiropractors aren't doctors. Its like calling a masseuse who gives happy endings a doctor.

Chiropractors ARE DOCTORS. They are doctors of chiropractic, DC's. They are not allopathic doctors, who are MD's. Doctors of osteopathic medicine are DO's. Both MD's and DO's can be primary care docs, specialty docs, or surgeons. Anyone with a PhD, a doctorate, can also use the salutation Dr.

[CodyDean 0]

didnt read any posts but the op.dude, its poker. you should be able to play for 20 minutes and leave if you want. putting any time limit is ridiculous to begin with.if you want to run a good home game and have people there to stay for a good amount of time, that is understandable. but you (imo) cannot tell someone they 'must' stay for a certain amount of time or repremend them for doing otherwise. if you want to hold a good home game and have people stay for the sake of a full, long poker game.......hold a sit n go - not a cash game.i play poker in vancouver and have lived in glasgow, scotland for the last 3 months. i come back to van end of jan. i love it here but i cannot wait to get back - as far as poker is concerned. coming here has been great but my biggest complaint about the poker scene is that they have many different rules. the game is viewed as a whole in a completely different way here. because of this, there are a handfull of rules in place and common views of 'ettiquette' which are so left field. maybe even right field. for instance. in the private poker club i play in....speech play of ANY kind is strictly prohibited. not only will you get the junk kicked out of you if you take speech play too far. but if you even slightly overdo any talking during your hand, your hand is declared dead and you will be banned. but what i find completely ridiculous is the 'time rule'. you must declare time thirty minutes in advance when you want to leave. you cannot leave unless you declare it proplery. the dealer must be warned which is then clearly announced to every player at the table. it might not be a big deal to you. but this is something that bothers me and affects the play in a negative way.if i were the guy at your home game, i wouldnt come back. the only reason im still playing at this particular club in glasgow is cause i have no where else to play and need to make money somehow. lol. cheerscody

[DCJ001 0]

didnt read any posts but the op.dude, its poker. you should be able to play for 20 minutes and leave if you want. putting any time limit is ridiculous to begin with.if you want to run a good home game and have people there to stay for a good amount of time, that is understandable. but you (imo) cannot tell someone they 'must' stay for a certain amount of time or repremend them for doing otherwise. if you want to hold a good home game and have people stay for the sake of a full, long poker game.......hold a sit n go - not a cash game.i play poker in vancouver and have lived in glasgow, scotland for the last 3 months. i come back to van end of jan. i love it here but i cannot wait to get back - as far as poker is concerned. coming here has been great but my biggest complaint about the poker scene is that they have many different rules. the game is viewed as a whole in a completely different way here. because of this, there are a handfull of rules in place and common views of 'ettiquette' which are so left field. maybe even right field. for instance. in the private poker club i play in....speech play of ANY kind is strictly prohibited. not only will you get the junk kicked out of you if you take speech play too far. but if you even slightly overdo any talking during your hand, your hand is declared dead and you will be banned. but what i find completely ridiculous is the 'time rule'. you must declare time thirty minutes in advance when you want to leave. you cannot leave unless you declare it proplery. the dealer must be warned which is then clearly announced to every player at the table. it might not be a big deal to you. but this is something that bothers me and affects the play in a negative way.if i were the guy at your home game, i wouldnt come back. the only reason im still playing at this particular club in glasgow is cause i have no where else to play and need to make money somehow. lol. cheerscody

Are you talking about when there are more than two people in the hand, or even when there are just two people in a hand?

[IWANTTOBERICHDAMMIT 0]

Can we have this POS banned already?

I just don't know what's wrong with all of you.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Applying social pressure to force a person to put money in play is bad.Sometimes a guy wants to book a win. That's his right, and if you're friends you need to be just as sensitive to this emotion as someone wanting to get even.A guy can choose to keep playing to give his friends action. If he does, he's doing them a favor, one that they might return at some point. It should never be an obligation.The thing that I do hate is the bullshit. A guy should should just say, "Deal me out." or even better, "Deal me out. I need to book a win," not make up an excuse. Mutual respect starts with honesty.

[cubsfan44 0]

didnt read any posts but the op.dude, its poker. you should be able to play for 20 minutes and leave if you want. putting any time limit is ridiculous to begin with.if you want to run a good home game and have people there to stay for a good amount of time, that is understandable. but you (imo) cannot tell someone they 'must' stay for a certain amount of time or repremend them for doing otherwise. if you want to hold a good home game and have people stay for the sake of a full, long poker game.......hold a sit n go - not a cash game.i play poker in vancouver and have lived in glasgow, scotland for the last 3 months. i come back to van end of jan. i love it here but i cannot wait to get back - as far as poker is concerned. coming here has been great but my biggest complaint about the poker scene is that they have many different rules. the game is viewed as a whole in a completely different way here. because of this, there are a handfull of rules in place and common views of 'ettiquette' which are so left field. maybe even right field. for instance. in the private poker club i play in....speech play of ANY kind is strictly prohibited. not only will you get the junk kicked out of you if you take speech play too far. but if you even slightly overdo any talking during your hand, your hand is declared dead and you will be banned. but what i find completely ridiculous is the 'time rule'. you must declare time thirty minutes in advance when you want to leave. you cannot leave unless you declare it proplery. the dealer must be warned which is then clearly announced to every player at the table. it might not be a big deal to you. but this is something that bothers me and affects the play in a negative way.if i were the guy at your home game, i wouldnt come back. the only reason im still playing at this particular club in glasgow is cause i have no where else to play and need to make money somehow. lol. cheerscody

What about paragrachs? are they allowed?

[finztotheleft 0]

What about paragrachs? are they allowed?

And proper spelling ? And capitalization where appropriate ?

[El Guapo 8]

Had a home game today, set the time before the game started to end at 2 am. Stakes 1 2 nl. Mostly regulars, my friend/my chiropractor guy also played (2nd time at this game) also brought along a friend that played for the first time.The game is eight handed for most of the night. At 1:40 am, a couple of hands after he won a big pot, he saids he's got to go (up $600). The only reason he played the extra 2 hands was to pay the blinds and then go, so it woudn't be an immediate hit and run.One of my friends who's a regular tells him he has to stay. He's up money and there's only 20 min. left to the night. Chiro guy gets pissed and saids nobody tells me what to do with my money, I'm leaving for sure now. So, now I'm a little upset and tell him calmly that it is indeed bad etiquette to do what he's doing. There's only 20 min. left and you're up money, it's proper to stay and finish it up. At this point, he reluctantly and in a pissy mood decides to stay. I said forget it, you don't want to stay, we'll just finish up without you. He then leaves and saids that he would have stayed if my other friend didn't make that comment which I don't believe at all. Now, I feel that he kinda hit and run because he's super tight and only plays premium hands. Straight forward poker. Most of us other guys are very LAG and he admits it makes him feel uncomfortable. We push him off a lot of hands. He's overly excited to win pots, bangs on the table instead of calmly scooping in the chips as would be appropriate and takes forever to make a decision when he has a good hand (Hollywooding to induce a call). So, when he did manage to get a decent win out of the night, he decides that's it, I don't want to risk losing it in the last 20 minutes. Was a right in telling him or should I have just kept my mouth shut?

Do we play poker with the same Chiropractor?

He's tight with his money.

Seriously, this sousnds like one of my best friends, and he would do everything you said. Pound the table, tight w/ money,get up and leave. It's like I amlooking in a mirror.

Tough spot. I look at these things from a "bird's eye view" impartially, and I have to agree with both points of view:1. ) He's slightly out of line bailing that quickly after a big pot. He's likely not a regular home game player (outside of your home game, I mean).2. ) You guys are out of line for attempting to force him to stay. I can't emphasize this enough. Some people form relationships, others take hostages. You guys were attempting to take a hostage, and it's likely going to cost you a relationship. Of course, his mega-tight ultra-annyoing-needle game isn't well matched for your group of lagtards, anyways. As good as implied odds are going up against him, it's not incredibly +EV to have him sit down over a normal fish. No one on HSP seemed too sad to see Bob Stupak go, for much the same line of reasoning.

I agree with cappy, especially on part two. If this guy is new to your game and relativley new to poker, especially if he learned from TV, then he proly doesn't know this is bad ettiqutte, especially since there was only 20 minutes til you called it.

Personally every home game I host or play in has the following rule: You can leave whenever you want. If you're a big fish and try and leave with lots of money, of course everyone will try and convince you to stay. But its never mean spirited or anything.Now, as a poker player, I believe that I personally have an obligation to keep a game going and almost never will leave before the set end time, or if my leaving would cause the game to break. I also believe its my obligation to never call out the fish on bad ettiquette or anything like that. Here is an example: I play a live 10/20 pot limit holdem game. We had a huge fish in that game that did a lot of bad poker related things. A buddy of mine was in a pot with him and called him on a string bet. The guy was SO pissed about it that he packed up and left and has never come back to the game. This was a guy who dropped $5000/night in that game easy. So all that money is gone from the game over a string bet in a $1500 pot.So I would say if the guy wants to leave, thats his choice, and I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. And if he's a fish, you CERTAINLY should let him leave if he feels like booking a win. Fish need to be able to book wins occasionally, its what keeps them coming back.Mark

Soooo tru, in our home game the fish who had good credit with us would get loaned money, because we knew we would get it back and it kept the game going.Bottom line its supposed to be a friendly game, if your friends got that then they are playing for too much money to invite people like this to the game.

[Andromeda 0]

I see absolutely no problem with the guy leaving when he wants to (unless it breaks a game) - it's a cash game and he has no obligation to let you try to win your money back. Was it a bit dicky of him to hit and run? yes, but as everyone else said he's a tight player and there was only 20 mins left...let it go.question about casino play - can you leave whenever you want? if so, then the home game should be no different. I've never played in a casino so I have no idea.

[PiperJay 0]

Sounds like a bit of an idiot to me for the way he reacted - it's only 20 minutes and it manners to stay if you all agreed that you were playing until 2 am. Fair enough if he lost all his budget he may as well leave, but he didn't. It also depends on how binding your agreement was, and perhaps he had thought he could leave whenever? House rules like that should be stated clearly, but in the long-term it sounds like you don't want to invite that guy back!

[Dratj 0]

didnt read any posts but the op.dude, its poker. you should be able to play for 20 minutes and leave if you want. putting any time limit is ridiculous to begin with.if you want to run a good home game and have people there to stay for a good amount of time, that is understandable. but you (imo) cannot tell someone they 'must' stay for a certain amount of time or repremend them for doing otherwise. if you want to hold a good home game and have people stay for the sake of a full, long poker game.......hold a sit n go - not a cash game.i play poker in vancouver and have lived in glasgow, scotland for the last 3 months. i come back to van end of jan. i love it here but i cannot wait to get back - as far as poker is concerned. coming here has been great but my biggest complaint about the poker scene is that they have many different rules. the game is viewed as a whole in a completely different way here. because of this, there are a handfull of rules in place and common views of 'ettiquette' which are so left field. maybe even right field. for instance. in the private poker club i play in....speech play of ANY kind is strictly prohibited. not only will you get the junk kicked out of you if you take speech play too far. but if you even slightly overdo any talking during your hand, your hand is declared dead and you will be banned. but what i find completely ridiculous is the 'time rule'. you must declare time thirty minutes in advance when you want to leave. you cannot leave unless you declare it proplery. the dealer must be warned which is then clearly announced to every player at the table. it might not be a big deal to you. but this is something that bothers me and affects the play in a negative way.if i were the guy at your home game, i wouldnt come back. the only reason im still playing at this particular club in glasgow is cause i have no where else to play and need to make money somehow. lol. cheerscody

I did call up the guy to apologize because I feel that I shouldn't have said anything after reading some of the posts here. Some here agree with me that it was bad etiquette of him to leave with 20 min. left but it was wrong of me to say something. Also, one big difference is that my house is not a poker club. A home game in my mind is much different than that of a casino or underground poker club. We really don't have many rules, the only rule we have is basically the one he broke. Unless you call the time beforehand, you stay till the end if you are up. We don't care about chit chat during a hand, f bombs, string bets even or even betting out of turn. A few guys smoke, they don't have to post their missed blinds when they come back etc. It's a very loose atmosphere.

[Dratj 0]

I see absolutely no problem with the guy leaving when he wants to (unless it breaks a game) - it's a cash game and he has no obligation to let you try to win your money back. Was it a bit dicky of him to hit and run? yes, but as everyone else said he's a tight player and there was only 20 mins left...let it go.question about casino play - can you leave whenever you want? if so, then the home game should be no different. I've never played in a casino so I have no idea.

Some of the people that I've met in casinos, I'd never have in my home game. Especially the dudes that never shower.

[CodyDean 0]

Are you talking about when there are more than two people in the hand, or even when there are just two people in a hand?

even if it's heads up. no speech play EVER

[CodyDean 0]

What about paragrachs? are they allowed?

cant tell cause my typing was decent but was REALLY drunk last night when i posted that.

[Dratj 0]

even if it's heads up. no speech play EVER

Stupid rule.

[Sens-Eh 0]

Add me to the side of the people thinking it was wrong to berate this guy too hard. It's a home game, not HSP. Occasionally at 1:40AM I get real tired and need to call it a night as well... Winning or Losing the guys I am playing with know they will see me again the next week anyhow...Sure we will occasionally use light hearted banter to tease a guy into staying later if he wants to leave at 9PM or something, but once you've put in 5 or 6 hours of play - you're no longer hit and running.

[cubsfan44 0]

What about paragrachs? are they allowed?

This may be my greatest post ever

[All_In 0]

all the pros say a man can get up and leave a poker game anytime he wants to.my friends and i usually give notice when we want to leave, but that's because we r all friends, it's not a rule.