Kk, Super Deep, Line Check

[linkwood 0]

Live 1/2 NL home game.Everyone has about 1k in front of them. Hero is in the BB with K K UTG limps, UTG +1 limps, MP raises to 4, CO raises to 16, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG +1 calls, MP folds(Pot $69)Flop: 9 8 7 Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG +1 checks, CO bets 75, Hero calls, 2 folds(Pot $219)Turn: Q Hero checks, CO bets 200, Hero calls(Pot $619)River: K Hero bets 450, CO callsCO is solid tag with decent tournament results. Same with UTG. UTG +1 and MP are relatively new/bad players. What do you think of the line?

[Temporary Nuts 1]

What do you think of the line?

Played like a CS

[krup24 0]

wow thats some deep stacked pokahbased on stack sizes and read on CO I think we just sucked out on AA. i think the hand is played ok.the real question you should ask yourself if what do you do if K doesn't hit river. c/c, c/f, b/f? this would probably dictate whether the turn and flop are ok. Those are some strong bets.

[No_Neck 0]

I think betting the river this deep might be bad, but I am a nit. I guess the only hand he could show up with is 56 I dunno.

[711Buddha 0]

Live 1/2 NL home game.Everyone has about 1k in front of them. Hero is in the BB with K K UTG limps, UTG +1 limps, MP raises to 4, CO raises to 16, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG +1 calls, MP folds(Pot $69)Flop: 9 8 7 Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG +1 checks, CO bets 75, Hero calls, 2 folds(Pot $219)Turn: Q Hero checks, CO bets 200, Hero calls(Pot $619)River: K Hero bets 450, CO callsCO is solid tag with decent tournament results. Same with UTG. UTG +1 and MP are relatively new/bad players. What do you think of the line?

Mixed feelings - with 3 limpers, 2 of which call reraises, this looks like a very passive game. Hero's play is pretty passive as well, called a reraise with a lot action behind him, then check called twice. Putting in a raise in almost any of those spots will let you know where you are.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Live 1/2 NL home game. Everyone has about 1k in front of them. PF...CO raises to 16 (Pot $69) Flop: CO bets 75, Hero calls, 2 folds(Pot $219) Turn:...CO bets 200, Hero calls(Pot $619) River: K CO callsCO is solid tag with decent tournament results.

The old "call-check-call-check-call-bet-with-KK-rivered-your-set" line, huh? CO doesn't push the river when you bet, so you must have won the hand. Suck out on QQQ or AA?

[StPong 0]

The old "call-check-call-check-call-bet-with-KK-rivered-your-set" line, huh? CO doesn't push the river when you bet, so you must have won the hand. Suck out on QQQ or AA?

This was my first take too. I don't see how CO could have a straight if he's a solid TAG with that pf raise. I suppose it could also be AQcc. I think you took a "I don't want to get stacked with KK but I also don't want to lay it down" line, which usually gets me in as much trouble as a raise on the flop or turn.

[NoBBiR 0]

Im going to guess it was AA, and that is a awful river call if he had aces.

[Acid_Knight 2]

The river is fine and I'm instacalling his shove obv. Every other move in the hand is questionable.

[linkwood 0]

The river is fine and I'm instacalling his shove obv. Every other move in the hand is questionable.

I agree with this. I didn't play this hand, Daniel Negreanu did: http://www.cardplayer.com/magazine/article/16999.I read this yesterday and it was bugging me ever since. I just can't wrap my head around playing like this. I can understand preflop and even the flop. But I think the turn is a raise or fold. Seems like we're going to the river blind. But I don't really know what the correct thing would be in this scenario. What does everyone think? Does the fact that DN made the play change anything?

[Temporary Nuts 1]

I agree with this. I didn't play this hand, Daniel Negreanu did: http://www.cardplayer.com/magazine/article/16999.I read this yesterday and it was bugging me ever since. I just can't wrap my head around playing like this. I can understand preflop and even the flop. But I think the turn is a raise or fold. Seems like we're going to the river blind. But I don't really know what the correct thing would be in this scenario. What does everyone think? Does the fact that DN made the play change anything?

Yes, it slightly re-affirms my assumption that small ballers are calling stations.

[Roberts2003 0]

I remember reading this a while ago, and I think the fact that he had a plan to bluff a good deal of cards is what changes things. If he was check calling KK down hoping for a showdown, i think that would make it pretty bad.

[Tactical Bear 3]

I haven't read Daniel's thoughts on the hand, but, FWIW, I make this bet against players that knows I'll make the same bet with AcJc or AcTc or some other busted draw. It's pretty easy to put the other player on AA, and this river helps exactly zero hands in my range, so I make a very large bet and expect it to get called by AA or QQ or 99 or something. What a cooler if he has TJ. Checking this river is bad, because a good opponent almost always puts me on a draw, so he should probably be checking back with almost all hands except a flopped straight and QQ. The hand is really tough to play, because the aggressor is making very large, pot-sized bets. It's tough to really find out where we are without committing so much money that the information becomes nearly worthless. Reraising preflop can put us in a bad spot, but gives us a much better chance to fold when behind on the flop/turn. As played, the turn decision is the really interesting one. I think I fold here against solid players most of the time, unless I'm confident I can win the pot with more cards than just a K.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I remember reading this a while ago, and I think the fact that he had a plan to bluff a good deal of cards is what changes things. If he was check calling KK down hoping for a showdown, i think that would make it pretty bad.

In general, I don't like the turn play and I think a fold is in order. If you put him on AA, then you will need to have a scare card hit the river AND make the proper bet that he will fold to. I am not a fan of trying to line up so many variables in a row to get things working for you.

[TraptSteve 0]

I think the pot was played well the entire way by the villain except for the river call. Don't think the villain would fold on a straight or flush card either.