tskillz187 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Just came to table, might be my 3rd hand so no reads.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero ($24.65)SB ($36.50)BB ($43.45)UTG ($32.40)MP ($31.60)CO ($25.80)Preflop: Hero is Button with A, K. 2 folds, CO raises to $0.5, Hero raises to $1.85, 2 folds, CO calls $1.35.Flop: ($4.05) 3, K, 9(2 players)CO checks, Hero bets $2.25, CO calls $2.25.Turn: ($8.55) 7(2 players)CO checks, Hero checks.River: ($8.55) 8(2 players)CO checks, Hero bets $4, CO raises to $21.7 (All-In), Hero.... Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Horrible, horrible turn check. Just idiotic. Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Why did you check the turn?Bet the turn and check behind on the river.This is a fold. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 Naismith is an idiot. Don't let his opinion ruin the thread! Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Naismith is an idiot. Don't let his opinion ruin the thread!It's apparent you're uncomfortable with these stakes. Drop down a few levels until you're not afraid to put money in the pot and don't move up until you're ready. Link to post Share on other sites
Ganador 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Even though you claim naismith is idiotic, bet the god damn turn.As played, instacall. Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 This is one of those WA/WB situations on the turn. Except for the billion drawing hands he shows up with here.YSAP Link to post Share on other sites
whiterice714 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 bet the turn check the river woulda been better... nothing to do w/ naismith on that one... that's a no brainer... Link to post Share on other sites
Metternich 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 I bet $3 on the flop to shut out any flush draws. I bet another $6 on the turn.As played, I have no idea what to do on the river. As I would never play it this way I can't give you an opinion on how to end it, though this is probably a fold.Since you posted it, I'm guessing its something like J10s or a set of 8s Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Not to totally spam my way through this thread, but T thinks we're all idiots for wanting to bet the turn. He's positive checking the turn is right and, in turn, everyone who has posted in this thread should get Ghonorrea (his words, not mine). Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 I didn't even want to post this stupid hand. Stupid Naismith.Get the clap! Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 I didn't even want to post this stupid hand. Stupid Naismith.Get the clap!Just another newb posting a hand, asking for advice and then disagreeing with everyone. If you just wanted to have us all say, "Wow, you played that like Doyle flipping Reese!", let us know in the subject line so we don't waste our time giving you advice.(translated: why don't you give your reasoning for your line?) Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 I bet $3 on the flop to shut out any flush draws. I bet another $6 on the turn.As played, I have no idea what to do on the river. As I would never play it this way I can't give you an opinion on how to end it, though this is probably a fold.Since you posted it, I'm guessing its something like J10s or a set of 8sIt's heads up and I reraised pf. His range is not incredibly wide. I shouldn't be trying to price out flush draws that are not always there. I would love to get value from Kx hands that I'm beating though, which very often at this level will NOT call two bets in a row but will on bet/check/bet line becuse I look kind of desperate.While also taking into account my PF reraise, this flop is big for me a ton of the time. I'm reraising JJ+ AK. Checking the turn gets me more value from these middle hands I'm way ahead of, they keep the pot small against flopped sets, and against flushes (which I don't think is a big part of his range) I am not charging him on turn, but I am keeping pot small on river if he plans on bluffing the flush when it comes on river. Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 I think you're completely making up these .10-.25 NL players that fold top pair like it's nothing. Link to post Share on other sites
whatgreatis 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 You checked the turn to get action on the river now call. What are you scared of? A backdoor straight draw after a reraise preflop? Flush draw didn't get there and its pretty much just a naked king. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 Zach - is there a way to keep Naismith out of my threads? He's intentionally ruining strategic conversation because of apparent jealousy of me, namely me being a much better poker player than him.Other reasons for hate are that I'm young and in the prime of my life, my post count is higher (very important and rivals better poker player), and I like a real NFL franchise.Thanks for any help you have concerning this issue. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 It's apparent you're uncomfortable with these stakes. Drop down a few levels until you're not afraid to put money in the pot and don't move up until you're ready. You checked the turn to get action on the river now call. What are you scared of? A backdoor straight draw after a reraise preflop? Flush draw didn't get there and its pretty much just a naked king.Did you not read Naismith's post? I was trying to induce $4 action, not $21 action!Yikes. Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Y(tskillz187)SAPThis was actually the part of the thread from me that you should've quoted. Link to post Share on other sites
whatgreatis 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Did you not read Naismith's post? I was trying to induce $4 action, not $21 action!Yikes.I can't think of a hand that bets the river that way that has you beat. Js10s would want a call and you think if he had a set he'd want a call too.But then again, I'm not very familiar with the playing styles at this level. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 I can't think of a hand that bets the river that way that has you beat. Js10s would want a call and you think if he had a set he'd want a call too.But then again, I'm not very familiar with the playing styles at this level.I obv agree with you. I snap called on the river, I didn't think it was a tough decision and it looked like a very poor bluff, there isn't a single hand that he is representing. Link to post Share on other sites
Ganador 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 It's apparent you're uncomfortable with these stakes. Drop down a few levels until you're not afraid to put money in the pot and don't move up until you're ready.Absolutely hilarious. Link to post Share on other sites
throwemaway 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 River C/R's are so often the nuts, calling this is painful..I agree with Naismith and the world that you should bet the turn, check the river..Gah, he line makes no sense, doesn't add up to anything..I mean your B/C/B line is relatively out of the ordinary at this level so he can't assume your going to bet the river if he has something like J10 or a set can he? I cry and call though probably Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 I like betting the turn/checking rivers when we have very marginal hands and can fold better hands on the turn or charge draws. I don't like the idea of betting the turn and checking the river. If I bet the turn, got a call and got another river check, I'm betting again.I like the hand but would want to change the bet sizing a little to be $3 at the flop at $8 at the river. Link to post Share on other sites
Craigdog 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 I think at these stakes it's possible your opponent has JJ or KQ, the turn check is horrible because it allows villian to make a play like this on the river regardless of his holdings, as played call on the river. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted September 24, 2007 Author Share Posted September 24, 2007 I think at these stakes it's possible your opponent has JJ or KQ, the turn check is horrible because it allows villian to make a play like this on the river regardless of his holdings, as played call on the river.It's horrible because he might donk shove with hands that are worse than mine? That sounds ideal, not horrible. Link to post Share on other sites
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