TruePoker 1 Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 Ok, I'll lay it down for you like this :My main aim by the time I am 21 is to live in Las Vegas. A couple of FCP players and good friends are going to move into an apartment there in September, all of the aforementioned people live in the USA at present.I am currently 19 years of age, it is my dream to move to Vegas and this is a huge opportunity for me. I am a consistent and quite good poker player at 1/2 and 2/4 limit poker. I am not going ahead of myself to say I am any better than this, but currently I can play anywhere from 2 - 12 of these tables at once and turn a profit at each one. The cost of living in Vegas is not hugely different from what it would be here in the United Kingdom as I currently pay for everything that I use, this includes internet, phone bills, rent, food etc... Currently I can pay for all of this without having difficulties so living out in Las Vegas would not be a problem for me, I know I am not old enough to play in a casino but that is not the focus right now.This post is created for me to gather info from anyone that can help me, my problem is that I don't believe it is possible for me to live and work out in Las Vegas without going through some kind of loophole. I have looked quite shallowly into this affair and I am going to do a lot more investigating on Monday but I was just wondering if someone could give me some information heads up before then, perhaps Harry Demetriou or another UK proffessional player? Perhaps someone else who has made this transition?The question is:Is it possible for me to move into full time residency into the USA and carry out a regular life, including getting a job and renting out an apartment?Thanks in advance,Mat. Link to post Share on other sites
jayboogie 0 Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 perhaps you should play the game longer and at least move up to 20/40, 30/60 before you even consider this at all. You may be able to scrape together a living playing 10/20 online, but if your going to play live, you need to be beating at least 20/40 games if you expect to make a living at it. Link to post Share on other sites
garamond10pt 0 Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 perhaps you should play the game longer and at least move up to 20/40, 30/60 before you even consider this at all. You may be able to scrape together a living playing 10/20 online, but if your going to play live, you need to be beating at least 20/40 games if you expect to make a living at it.Isn't 10/20 online tougher than 20/40 live games? That's the impression I got. Link to post Share on other sites
TruePoker 1 Posted June 11, 2005 Author Share Posted June 11, 2005 I expect to play 2/4 - 3/6 online in my apartment...I am not looking to play anything live right now, just get a job in a casino doing something and start Networking. I think being close to the action now is the best idea and I think that time in Vegas would be good for my game. Not only this but living with 5 other guys who all they do is play poker for money would be another great way to improve my game.The appartment rental and all other costs should be somewhat similar to my current arrangement. I don't believe that the cost will in any way restrict my choice to move to Las Vegas.This thread is more aimed at finding out the legalities of moving from the United Kingdom to the USA for a full time or short term residency. Link to post Share on other sites
JaysonWeber 0 Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 Hmmm you would need a green card or extended work Visa... I know nothing about either of those things.. Link to post Share on other sites
jayboogie 0 Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 perhaps you should play the game longer and at least move up to 20/40, 30/60 before you even consider this at all. You may be able to scrape together a living playing 10/20 online, but if your going to play live, you need to be beating at least 20/40 games if you expect to make a living at it.Isn't 10/20 online tougher than 20/40 live games? That's the impression I got.not neccessarily, it's not a huge gap or anything like that. There's bad players at 10/20, online, even 50/100 theres bad players. Online and Live are 2 totally different games though for the most part. Online is purely mathematical and probability, whereas live theres other elements involved. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 12 tables at once?Without any stuff you can go to the states 6 months at a time.Gus Hansen does this, he is a resident of Monaco, i believe, and therefore avoids taxes.Also i dont think you can bring more than 10 K into the states. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerstar 0 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 I normally would not respond to a post such as this, but as you seem serious I thought I would in this case, especially as so far the responses have been from people who have no real experience or knowledge in this area, and the information posted has been incorrect.I am a UK citizen, and have lived in Vegas on and off throughout the past 10 years, whilst doing a lot of travel to other areas in between.Your question seems to be mostly in regard to Immigration laws, which do change often, and you have to stay up to date with the latest info. Pre 9/11, UK citizens were able to obtain a B1/2 Visa (tourist visa) and stay in the USA for up to 6 months at a time using this Visa. However now this Visa has been abolished, and the only option for UK citizens is to go in under the Visa Waiver program which allows you to stay up to 3 months only. Plus you must have a ticket out of the USA in order to enter.In either case though you can not work whilst in the USA - for that you will need some kind of work visa depending on what it is that you want to do. This is a very long and expensive pursuit though, and does not always end in a green card situation.If all you want to do is play poker to earn a living, then the Waiver program will be fine, but you will have to leave every few months, and they are getting more restrictive on where you must fly to before returning to the USA.Let me know if you have any other questions - I have been through this kind of situation many times. :-) Link to post Share on other sites
Waffles2003 1 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Getting a green card is this country is not an easy task. You either have to get married to an American or have a company sponsor you. There are A lot of Different Visas but the only you will probably get is a tourist Visa as I dont think you will get one if you claim to be a gambler (especially as a 21 year old). Also, I dont believe you will be able to apply for a Social Security Card and most things in this country require a SSN...IE driver's licence, Bank account and so forth (unless you can find an international bank in the UK and create your account with them). Link to post Share on other sites
Speedy Petey 0 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 dye your hair brown and get a really good tan and enter from Mexico and you can get a drivers license, a fake ssn, not pay taxes, get free medical and never be asked to leave. Simple! Link to post Share on other sites
pokerstar 0 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Guys, please stop giving this guy mis-information - If you do not know, then please dont respond. Here are a couple of errors from the last posts:-The tourist Visa no longer exists-You do not need a SSN for the majority of things, it is possible to open a bank account, hold a drivers license and many other things in the USA without having a SSN. Link to post Share on other sites
Speedy Petey 0 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Pokerstar you are wrong !!!!!!!!!!!! Why do you think the illegals get fake SSN numbers? Because they need them to get bank accounts and drivers licenses. They dont get them so they can pay taxes. I know several illegals and the system is a joke! Link to post Share on other sites
pokerstar 0 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Look, its not important to me, but just so you know:- I am a UK citizen without a SSN, and I have lived in Vegas on and off for over 10 years, holding various forms of State ID and several bank accounts. So clearly it is possible, and legal.I do not know why you continue to post this mis-information, as you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Link to post Share on other sites
TruePoker 1 Posted June 12, 2005 Author Share Posted June 12, 2005 pokerstar, do you have any other contact information? I would like to speak with you in a more organised fashion than this if possible.One other question though, how long do you have to wait before re-entering Vegas? Link to post Share on other sites
AC BillP 0 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 I don't pretend to know, but I would suggest you write Univ. Los Vegas about an economics or business degree program. I would imagine they know all about 9-12 month student visas and work programs. You might not win a lot, but a college degree can't hurt you either in the spare time. Link to post Share on other sites
TruePoker 1 Posted June 12, 2005 Author Share Posted June 12, 2005 University costs a lot though I guess, which is not really good for me right now. I don't think I would have the money to spare in order to take up a degree as well as paying rent etc. Link to post Share on other sites
emodave 0 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Bro, stay in the Uk, play online, take down the pussy tourneys u find in ur local casino that regularly are paying £1000+ for first in a £5 rebuy event! Qualify for big events online, get ur free travel, have a blast, and most importantly, goto uni at the same time, and live like a king! Do statistics or some kinda math degree, help your game, and then ur landed! Link to post Share on other sites
Waffles2003 1 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 You can always visit these sites and do the research yourself:http://www.us-immigration.com/http://uscis.gov/graphics/index.htm Link to post Share on other sites
Chamonyx 0 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 As well as the practical visa issues which Pokerstar has mentioned (and by the way, he is correct about not needing SSN for driving licence and bank account, although post 9-11 the bank process may take a while) I would see a bigger issue for you being one of tax.As a UK based player your winnings are currently not taxed (I believe), whereas if you set up officially in the US you will need to declare them and pay tax on them.Your best bet is probably to come to the US on an extended vacation and use Visa Waiver Form. You can set up a bank account when you get here - or you can use your UK atm card - or even Neteller - for withdrawing. You only need to be careful if you end up needing to physically transfer $10k across any state line in which case you are supposed to declare it. Link to post Share on other sites
CrAcKeDaCeS 0 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 My family moved from the UK when I was 10 years old, I am now 22. It is not an impossibility to get a green card in this country, as has been suggested. I am not sure of the short term options you have, but I know that my dad received a work visa when we moved here, and a year later we received green cards.I would suggest visiting www.uscis.gov for more info.Also, it is VERY possible to open a bank account w/o a social security #.You do not need to be a citizen to get a SSN.Any questions, just PM me.Steve Link to post Share on other sites
Waffles2003 1 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 All I kow is that my brother needed a SSN to get a driver's licence when he visited me, that was only 2-3 years ago.You can apply for a SSN but when u get the card, it will say "not allowed for employment" or something like that, if you are not a US citizen. Link to post Share on other sites
CrAcKeDaCeS 0 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 All I kow is that my brother needed a SSN to get a driver's licence when he visited me, that was only 2-3 years ago.You can apply for a SSN but when u get the card, it will say "not allowed for employment" or something like that, if you are not a US citizen.That's not true, b/c I am a UK citizen with a green card and a SSN, and you just need to present both to your employer for them to have on file. Link to post Share on other sites
TruePoker 1 Posted June 12, 2005 Author Share Posted June 12, 2005 Craced Aces are you online on AIM right now, it says your unavailable. Just wondering if you have changed you address or just not using AIM right now? Link to post Share on other sites
CrAcKeDaCeS 0 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Craced Aces are you online on AIM right now, it says your unavailable. Just wondering if you have changed you address or just not using AIM right now?No I'm not on AIM, and actually this isn't my AIM name.You can PM me on this site or look for me on AIM sometime: Sattelite4080.I probably won't be on today, but I'll hop on there tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites
Marchione 0 Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 helloI would like to offer my .2cents on this subject.I am a canadian who has a U.S passport.first go to the U.S embassy in london and fill out a form to get a SSN number for "Banking" meaning you want to open up a bank acc in the USA.when you get it will be stamped "with DHS auth only"that will help you with banking and renting an apt and so on.great website for this is www.ssa.gov .also it is a felony to play poker online in the state of NV ~ and your computer will not work in north america ~110-220 power diff.remember you can play online anywheres in the world !!enter the greencard lotto .start dating woman on the internet from NVmy advice for you is to become a dealer in the UK and try to work your way up to pitboss or then go work on a cruise ship and try to transfer over in the USA !! believe it or not casino's allways need a good dealer !! seems they are allways short !!lease feel free to ask me questions !! Link to post Share on other sites
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