silicon 0 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Casino 1-2NL 10 handed on a PokerTek setup.I'm in the CO with $300+; villain in middle postion with $173 - he had bought in for two bills about 30 minutes before and seemed to like action.Limp, limp, villain goes to $12 - I call with JJ and folds all round.6,5,5 flop.Villain bets $25.Any thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
jmkiser 0 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Any thoughts?Shouldn't this go in the nl cash section? Link to post Share on other sites
silicon 0 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 Shouldn't this go in the nl cash section?Probably. Like I said, "It's been a while." Link to post Share on other sites
silicon 0 Posted January 31, 2008 Author Share Posted January 31, 2008 Shouldn't this go in the nl cash section?Probably. Like I said, "It's been a while." Link to post Share on other sites
Metternich 0 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 3- bet pre, it makes flops like this so much simpler. I have no idea what the best way to proceed from here is (though I'd venture a guess at raise or call). The reason I have no idea is that I'm never smooth calling with jacks and position preflop. Reraising preflop iis almost always a good value play and helps narrow his range post flop. Link to post Share on other sites
sactownjoey 0 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Probably call and re-evaluate on turn. c/f to non J turn.How do you like PokerTek? I am thinking about playing locally where they have them. Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 I don't play NLHE , but check call flop and check fold a non J turn seems extremely weak to me. Link to post Share on other sites
Ouch-8s 4 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 I don't play NLHE , but check call flop and check fold a non J turn seems extremely weak to me.agreed Link to post Share on other sites
sactownjoey 0 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Please post alternative and reasoning. First, we are in position so we aren't check calling. The only info we have on villain is that he "seems to like action." Not much of a read. By flatting the pf raise, it's true we aren't repping JJ+ so we do have a bit of a disguised hand if the villain is at all a thinking player.If we flat the flop we should slow down an Ax c-bet because a pp is certainly in our range. We could raise and commit the pfr for all his chips but we probably aren't getting called by something we beat (maybe 99, TT or AQ+ if he is a big donk) so we lose value if we have the best hand. If the pf raiser bets into us again on the turn (in the $50+ range), I think we start giving him credit for something 99+ because most of his chips will be in the pot and he has to call a raise unless he is on a total bluff. So if make an assumption that he is a thinking player we assume he is committing himself to the hand by betting. If he checks, we could bet but be forced to fold to a raise. If we check behind, we very well might induce a river bluff with a worse hand. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Prob flat call flop and turn. If he can fire a 3rd barrel on the river with a worse hand I guess he deserves the pot. Link to post Share on other sites
Craigdog 0 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 raise to $36 preflop, as played call the flop & re-evaluate on the turn Link to post Share on other sites
Bshealey786 0 Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I definitly like a reraise here PF...we would know a little better how to react if he did infact call us Link to post Share on other sites
cardcore 0 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 1) re-raise preflop2) raise flop and find out where you're at since you didn't do it preflopif he calls you're behind, if he raises you're behind. simple as that Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 this is a perfect example of how not 3 betting pre makes us sooooooooooo unsure how to proceed. it took me a long time to learn to 3 bet hands like this. i don't know how i would play this as villians stack isn't huge and raising the flop and folding would probably be bad. i know this sounds weak but i think i call flop. Link to post Share on other sites
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