TheRake_MD23 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 I was playing in a home game $20 SNG Monday night. I've been playing with these guys for about 5 months now and they all seem to be pretty cool. I got involved in a hand with one of the nicest guys there and here is what happened. I call 40 early position (6 handed) with a 10 off. The guy raises to 150 and gets one caller and I call. Flop reads A 9 Q. First guy checks, I check and the raiser bets $350. First guy folds and I call. Turn 4 all rainbow. I check raiser checks. River comes 9. I check raiser bets $450. I think about it and call. He grabs his cards and chuckles and says, "Sorry man I got you on the river, I boated with A9." I say nice hand and muck my cards into the chip pile. He then starts to laugh and shows k8 and says, "I can't believe you fell for that, I bluffed you out of that pot." My hand was very easy to pick back up and show i had the winning hand. He says sorry and scoops the pot. Everyone at the table said you mucked and lost...I feel like I was cheated....any thoughts out there? Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 Don't play with those people any more. Link to post Share on other sites
TheRake_MD23 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share Posted April 18, 2007 Don't play with those people any more.Yeah, now I know that, but if this happened at a casio or something would he have won the pot?I'm not sure what the rules are... Link to post Share on other sites
gatortom64 1 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 Your hand was dead in the muck. Link to post Share on other sites
....Ian.... 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 yea, shady stuff, but bottom line is u mucked, your hand is dead Link to post Share on other sites
TheRake_MD23 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share Posted April 18, 2007 yea, shady stuff, but bottom line is u mucked, your hand is deadI guess thats what i figured, but its still sh1ty to want to try to win that way. I've just never seen anyone try that crap before... Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 you mucked and lost...The guy is an asshat for angling like that but ask to see the hand before you muck. If someone did that at a casino your hand would be dead but they could get a warning for intentionally calling out the wrong hand.also ...Don't play with those people any more. Link to post Share on other sites
TheRake_MD23 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share Posted April 18, 2007 The guy is an asshat for angling like that but ask to see the hand before you muck. If someone did that at a casino your hand would be dead but they could get a warning for intentionally calling out the wrong hand.also ...Don't play with those people any more.Thanks john, I won't be playing there anymore...what burns me up is he said he "bluffed me" after I called him down... Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 Thanks john, I won't be playing there anymore...what burns me up is he said he "bluffed me" after I called him down...The proper response is "That's not a bluff it's angleshooting and if you do it in a friendly game you must need the 20 bucks far more than I do" Link to post Share on other sites
PokerFan 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 The B&M I have played at have a rule"The cards play themselves" They don't care what is said, the cards are what the are. At show down never muck your hand till you have seen the others cards.... Link to post Share on other sites
SpiderGuard 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 Don't play with those people any more.+1. People who cheat/run angles in a friendly game are pathetic. You're supposed to be friends having a good time, gambling and drinking beer, why ruin it? Link to post Share on other sites
TheRake_MD23 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share Posted April 18, 2007 The B&M I have played at have a rule"The cards play themselves" They don't care what is said, the cards are what the are. At show down never muck your hand till you have seen the others cards....Ya, it won't happen again. The guy is on my dart league team too. He saw how pissed I got and said he'd make it up to me...but I don't even want to see the guy... Link to post Share on other sites
TheRake_MD23 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share Posted April 18, 2007 +1. People who cheat/run angles in a friendly game are pathetic. You're supposed to be friends having a good time, gambling and drinking beer, why ruin it?This is why I took his word...then he shows and rubs it in my face... Link to post Share on other sites
LincolnK 1 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 going by robert's rules, in a casino you could call the floor. it is at his discretion to retrieve your hand and show it to contest the pot in the case of an opponent misrepresenting his hand. in a home game, its up to your host. if i was the host, i'd retrieve your hand (at your request) and tell the other guy to stick it in his ass.lessons learned: don't muck your cards until you see you're beat. you get the added bonus of making the other guy look like a dick, instead of him making you look silly. Link to post Share on other sites
TheRake_MD23 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share Posted April 18, 2007 going by robert's rules, in a casino you could call the floor. it is at his discretion to retrieve your hand and show it to contest the pot in the case of an opponent misrepresenting his hand. in a home game, its up to your host. if i was the host, i'd retrieve your hand (at your request) and tell the other guy to stick it in his ass.lessons learned: don't muck your cards until you see you're beat. you get the added bonus of making the other guy look like a dick, instead of him making you look silly. You are right, I felt confused, then silly, then pissed. I called the host over to our table and he said you mucked, you lost... Link to post Share on other sites
eYank 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 always make sure they turn it over before mucking Link to post Share on other sites
1969_F85 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 Instead of trying to flip your cards over, flip the table over on your way out the door. This might be a bit extreme for a home game, but it is a matter of principle. If this happened in my home game I would throw things all over the place before leaving. I mean, these are the people I play with EVERY week! Link to post Share on other sites
StlFreddy 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 Instead of trying to flip your cards over, flip the table over on your way out the door.I agree id beat his ***, but that's just me. Link to post Share on other sites
TheRake_MD23 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share Posted April 18, 2007 Instead of trying to flip your cards over, flip the table over on your way out the door.I was still in at the time, but was uber tilting, went out soon after. Don't think for a second this didn't cross my mind, but i didn't want to catch a beatin' Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 If this happened in my home game I would throw things all over the place before leaving. I mean, these are the people I play with EVERY week!If this happened in a home game where I was the host the angle shooter would forfeit his buy-in and be asked to leave immediately and if he ever did anything like that again he'd wouldn't be invited back. Link to post Share on other sites
Dogpatch 2 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 As noted above, in a casino, it would be your pot.In the future, do not muck until a winning hand has been properly tabled. Link to post Share on other sites
TheRake_MD23 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share Posted April 18, 2007 If this happened in a home game where I was the host the angle shooter would forfeit his buy-in and be asked to leave immediately and if he ever did anything like that again he'd wouldn't be invited back.This was what I thought the host would have done, but the angle shooter has been playing with this group of guys for years. I moved to the area about a year ago and have been playing there for only 5-6 months... Link to post Share on other sites
pezeveng 207 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 Iam turning red just reading this. Out of embarressment I think I would throw a punch, than escort myself out the door. Iam barbaric but thats the only way I could handle it. Link to post Share on other sites
1969_F85 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 1.) I was still in at the time, but was uber tilting, went out soon after. Don't think for a second this didn't cross my mind, but 2.) i didn't want to catch a beatin' 1.) It wouldn't matter unless it was a huge buy-in because the principle is worth more than the buy-in.2.) Grow a pair Nancy! (sw) If you don't stand up for yourself then people are going to bust your nuts all the time. Link to post Share on other sites
TheRake_MD23 0 Posted April 18, 2007 Author Share Posted April 18, 2007 Iam turning red just reading this. Out of embarressment I think I would throw a punch, than escort myself out the door. Iam barbaric but thats the only way I could handle it.I flat out told the guy I would never trust him or anyone in a poker game again. Where does it stop. Say he or someone splashes big all-in pots and says all-in for 2100 when they only have 1700. Whose to say someone doesn't bring in extra chips in their back pocket and put them in play when tables are changing...This event caused me to be a lot more conscious of what is happening at the poker table. The kick in the a$$ is that a few hands later I went all-in with aj. Same guy says he feels bad for me and calls w/o looking at his cards. I show aj vs. 74. Flop comes with an ace and a 4, turn brick, river 4. I usually stay there and joke/tell stories/drink with the guys, but I got up and left saying nothing to anyone. Everytime I got knocked out of a tourney, even if it was a suckout, I always said nice hand and good-luck. But I decided to just leave in silence. I think everyone was waiting for something, cuz the place was dead silent as i left... Link to post Share on other sites
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