Hand Analysis Please?

[gfdsa146 0]

I need your advice as to how I might have been able to play this hand better...or if i played it as well as i could?.1/.2 NLHE home gameSo i was sitting in the BB with about something like $26 after buying in for $10, it was 4 handed. As usual, everyone limps in /w ATC and I peek down at KK in the BB. So i raise it $1.20 more to get rid of any pretenders and the button calls me, everyone else folds. Notes about the player on the button - extremely loose pre-flop, will call pre-flop raises with ATC as long as they aren't some rediculous amount like $5, doesn't bluff the flop much, so if he bets the flop he usually has hit it to some extent. flop comes 9 - 6 - 2 rainbowI throw in a $7 overbet into the pot, hoping that I could take it down and convince the button to throw away any straight draws he might have picked up cuz he decided to call me preflop /w 7-8 or something like that.action gets around to the button and he pushes me all-in, he had me coveredi call and he flips over 9-4.turn = 4, i = pwned.who cares what the river was....it wasn't a kingSo how could i have played it any differently? (don't say fold KK pre-flop)

[chgocubs99 0]

1) Post in the right place2) Don't post results3) Don't post bad beats

[scram 1]

Only two possible answers to this question.Fold the KK post flop to his AI, or call and accept the fact that poker is poker and sometimes, bad players call big P/F bets with 9/4.The real answer to this question has a lot to do with your analysis of his personal nature. Does he go "all in" on bluffs or whenever he hits top pair, or does he go "all in" when he gets excited from nailing a big hand?If it is the former, then I guess the call was OK and it was just a poker moment.If it is the latter yet you still called him anyway, you're still playing at Level 1- the inability to fold an overpair.

[simo_8ball 0]

who cares what the river was....it wasn't a king

Was it a 6 or a 2?

[gfdsa146 0]

Only two possible answers to this question.Fold the KK post flop to his AI, or call and accept the fact that poker is poker and sometimes, bad players call big P/F bets with 9/4.The real answer to this question has a lot to do with your analysis of his personal nature. Does he go "all in" on bluffs or whenever he hits top pair, or does he go "all in" when he gets excited from nailing a big hand?If it is the former, then I guess the call was OK and it was just a poker moment.If it is the latter yet you still called him anyway, you're still playing at Level 1- the inability to fold an overpair.

He does go all-in if he hits top pair, top pair is like gold to him, regardless of kicker (in this case, it was a 4 kicker). I don't think i've been unable to fold overpairs in the past. I was able to fold 10-10 to a 8 high flop after putting an opponent on K-K, he said i was right after the handchgocubs, what is the right place to post this? and what's wrong with posting bad beats? I'm not looking for sympathy, I want to know your opinions on my play.

[chgocubs99 0]

Was it a 6 or a 2?

[gfdsa146 0]

Was it a 6 or a 2?

lol, if it was, you think i'd be asking on how i coulda played it differently here? No it wasn't a 6 or a 2

[chgocubs99 0]

He does go all-in if he hits top pair, top pair is like gold to him, regardless of kicker (in this case, it was a 4 kicker). I don't think i've been unable to fold overpairs in the past. I was able to fold 10-10 to a 8 high flop after putting an opponent on K-K, he said i was right after the handchgocubs, what is the right place to post this? and what's wrong with posting bad beats? I'm not looking for sympathy, I want to know your opinions on my play.

Allright kid, you've got thick skin, so I'll be as nice as possible. It's the clearest possible case of you getting your money in good, and getting sucked out on. There is obviously nothing you could or should have done differently. The cards just didn't fall your way this time, it happens.The fact that you are posting saying "if it was a 6 or a 2 I wouldn't be posting this" shows how pointless it is to post it in the first place.Do you see why?

[linkwood 0]

Why would you want to do anything different? You got a guy to put you all in when you were a sizable favorite. The only thing you need to do differently is change your mindset. First of all, just because you lose a hand doesn't mean you played it bad. The best players in the world lose all the time. Poker isn't about winning hands, its about maximizing your expectect value over the long term. If you play that hand the same way every time, going in as a 4-1 favorite, you will win money in the long term. Its good to ask if you played a hand incorrectly and to see what you could do different. But don't ask just because you lost the hand. Ask because you want to play better. Secondly, your mindset about not wanting to lose hands is affecting your betting. The whole point of poker is to make your opponents make mistakes, not to make them fold draws correctly. You bet on the flop, like you said, in order to make a draw fold. But you don't want a draw to fold. If he folds a drawing hand he isn't making a mistake and you aren't making money. Think about it from a math perspective. If he has a straight draw and you get it all in on the flop (26 a piece, 52 total in the pot)To make his straight draw he has 8 outs, which puts him at about 34% to win the pot and you at 66%So, if you do the math, 66% of the time you win 52 and 34% you lose. That means, in the long run, you have an expected value of 8.32. What would you rather win? The 2.40 that is in the pot on the flop, if you make him fold his straight draw? Or the 8.32 if he never folds his straight draw and gets it all in with you? If you like to win money the answer is obvious. Now, this example is very simplistic and assumes that the villian will never fold his straight draw, which isn't always the case. It shows though that your thinking when your opponent is drawing shouldn't be "how do I get him to fold?", but rather "how do I get him to make a mistake and put more money into the pot than he should?". If he draws out on you, like he did in this hand, oh well. In fact, it is a good thing when your opponent makes a mistake and gets lucky. If he never did then he would go broke quicker and stop playing. And we don't want that do we?

[scram 1]

See link.Bear in mind- this fold has more to do with 30+ years of game-play history between them and Doyle knowing his man down to the DNA than it does anything else, but it is an example of higher caliber play (which you aren't going to find in a .20 cent home game, but still)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyZdGTVAalE

[MR_BIZKITZ 0]

Bet with your other hand

[linkwood 0]

ps. you should post this in the nl holdem strategy section. you'll get more serious answers.

[Tideplaya 0]

I need your advice as to how I might have been able to play this hand better...or if i played it as well as i could?.1/.2 NLHE home gameSo i was sitting in the BB with about something like $26 after buying in for $10, it was 4 handed. As usual, everyone limps in /w ATC and I peek down at KK in the BB. So i raise it $1.20 more to get rid of any pretenders and the button calls me, everyone else folds. Notes about the player on the button - extremely loose pre-flop, will call pre-flop raises with ATC as long as they aren't some rediculous amount like $5, doesn't bluff the flop much, so if he bets the flop he usually has hit it to some extent. flop comes 9 - 6 - 2 rainbowI throw in a $7 overbet into the pot, hoping that I could take it down and convince the button to throw away any straight draws he might have picked up cuz he decided to call me preflop /w 7-8 or something like that.action gets around to the button and he pushes me all-in, he had me coveredi call and he flips over 9-4.turn = 4, i = pwned.who cares what the river was....it wasn't a kingSo how could i have played it any differently? (don't say fold KK pre-flop)

Oh God. You should have folded pre-flop, gone home, and never thought about posting on here again.But hey, tough 10 cent/20 cent game loss.

[scram 1]

One hand can change your life man!!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOMll9DYWvk

[Skittles 0]

I need your advice as to how I might have been able to play this hand better...or if i played it as well as i could?So how could i have played it any differently? (don't say fold KK pre-flop)

Rather than focusing on how you can play the hand differently you should be focusing on how not to be a results-oriented thinker. In poker the best you can do is get your money in good (whether it be when your behind with correct odds or ahead like in your case). You lost this time, but on average you're going to win a lot more than you lose. In this hand I'm pretty sure the line you took didn't matter, all the money was going in on the flop. Better luck next time.

[simo_8ball 0]

I don't understand the motivation behind this. You got your money in as an 80% favourite. Why can't you see that is a good thing?

[gfdsa146 0]

I do see it as a good thing. I was just wondering if anyone here thought I coulda gotten all my money in any differently on the flop. Like should i not have overbet the pot on the flop? If i did put him on a straight draw, shoudl i have given him barely the right odds to call (and is this what you're talking about linkwood? getting him to make a mistake by letting him chase his supposed straight draw?)? Things like that. I'm upset that i got sucked out on, but i'm not upset that i was an 80% favorite.

[gfdsa146 0]

P.S. i did post it in the strat forums, but i did it wrong. Doh!