AAsnake88 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 WTF @ no dunkin donuts?Fast food I can understand, but no donuts? Link to post Share on other sites
ice4804 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Villain is an aggro reg running 28/23/8.5 over 100 hands.Fold to Cbet 29%I took a very weird line, trying to make it look like I was on a flush draw on the turn. By the time we got to the riv I wasn't sure he took the bait or if I was about to get owned. The more I look at it, the less I like it...Thoughts?$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem5 playersConverted at weaktight.comStacks:UTG ($18.80)CO ($100.00)BTN ($100.00)Hero (SB) ($150.95)BB ($138.20)Pre-flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is SB 3 folds, Hero raises to $4, BB calls $3Flop: ($8, 2 players)Hero checks, BB bets $5, Hero calls $5Turn: ($18, 2 players)Hero bets $12, BB raises to $32, Hero calls $20River: ($82, 2 players)Hero checks, BB bets $52, Hero ????? Link to post Share on other sites
TB17 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 i really dont like the turn lead...or the turn call.I'm folding the river Link to post Share on other sites
cwik 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Villain is an aggro reg running 28/23/8.5 over 100 hands.Fold to Cbet 29%I took a very weird line, trying to make it look like I was on a flush draw on the turn. By the time we got to the riv I wasn't sure he took the bait or if I was about to get owned. The more I look at it, the less I like it...Thoughts?$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem5 playersConverted at weaktight.comStacks:UTG ($18.80)CO ($100.00)BTN ($100.00)Hero (SB) ($150.95)BB ($138.20)Pre-flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is SB 3 folds, Hero raises to $4, BB calls $3Flop: ($8, 2 players)Hero checks, BB bets $5, Hero calls $5Turn: ($18, 2 players)Hero bets $12, BB raises to $32, Hero calls $20River: ($82, 2 players)Hero checks, BB bets $52, Hero ?????I hate your line here, because you put yourself in this spot. But I think if you are calling the turn, you have to call the river. Just never play a hand like this again, unless you are trying to level somebody, but in that case you should already know what you are doing when they raise.Serious point for everyone: NEVER PUT A BET INTO A POT IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WILL REACT TO A RAISE. Link to post Share on other sites
TeeSludge 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 WTF @ no dunkin donuts?Fast food I can understand, but no donuts?It has a drive thru so its a no go..the bet is interesting because technically a place like Saladworks is also not allowed which is a place where you can get a healthy meal. Link to post Share on other sites
ice4804 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I hate your line here, because you put yourself in this spot. But I think if you are calling the turn, you have to call the river. Just never play a hand like this again, unless you are trying to level somebody, but in that case you should already know what you are doing when they raise.Serious point for everyone: NEVER PUT A BET INTO A POT IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WILL REACT TO A RAISE.This is basically what is going on here. I'm almost never taking this line (see what I did there?). He is the exception...I knew what I was going to do after calling the turn raise, I just wanted to see if what I was doing is what other people would as well.edit: I do have more stats on this guy from playing short-handed, but I don't know how to combine them all in HEM. He is clearly an aggro reg who likes to try to outplay people. Link to post Share on other sites
Painter567 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 If you were a better lobbyist you woulda got a wingstop exemption drawn out in their original deal. Woulda been money.Blogs....bleh And I woulda given him a $250 Gift Card.......too bad!! Link to post Share on other sites
Painter567 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Got Baxter a "pimp" sweat suit top this weekend.....My Lil' Pimp...... Link to post Share on other sites
ice4804 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 i really dont like the turn lead...or the turn call.I'm folding the riverWhat is he repping on the turn? He is 3betting AK pre, and might even be 3 betting 88 and 55. I don't have enough hands on him to know that. (3bet over these 100 hands was around 5%)So he can have a set, fd, turned straight/combo draw, or a worse king, with a (very, IMO) small chance of a set...and I'm ahead almost always. Link to post Share on other sites
king1305 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 With all the stuff flying around about what is legal and what is not on FTP, is there any question about the legality of the Smart Buddy program?idk, I have same ????? about Spadeeye? Link to post Share on other sites
king1305 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Blogs....bleh And I woulda given him a $250 Gift Card.......too bad!!For the same gift card (hopefully to arrive before the Super Bowl, what would I have to do? Link to post Share on other sites
Painter567 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 For the same gift card (hopefully to arrive before the Super Bowl, what would I have to do?hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....tattoo this on your upper right arm? Link to post Share on other sites
KHSPoker21 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Villain has open shoved 2 out of first 3 hands at the table, this makes 3/4....we likey?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (3 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comsaw flopButton ($91.15)Hero (SB) ($104.55)BB ($46)Preflop: Hero is SB with 5, AButton raises to $91.15 (All-In), Hero raises to $104.55 (All-In), 1 fold Link to post Share on other sites
ice4804 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I hate your line here, because you put yourself in this spot. But I think if you are calling the turn, you have to call the river. Just never play a hand like this again, unless you are trying to level somebody, but in that case you should already know what you are doing when they raise.Serious point for everyone: NEVER PUT A BET INTO A POT IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WILL REACT TO A RAISE.Also...ouch, cwik. I didn't realize getting opinions on an unusual line was grounds for having your intelligence insulted by one of the most civil posters on FCP :)Maybe this hand was just too villain-specific to be discussed in a vacuum. The stats aren't telling the whole story. Link to post Share on other sites
seacucumber 2 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Anyone have a recommendation on how to find a good accountant? I normally do them myself with Turbo Tax. But with the business and everything along with a couple other things, mine are going to be pretty complicated this year and I don't want to miss anything. I'm looking for someone that I can do all the legwork for by taking all my paperwork and condense it down to the things he needs (actually have already done this as I started to prepare to do them myself). Basically I don't want to have to go meet with someone for hours and if it can be done by email, scanning, faxing that would be awesome. I had already bought the programs but I started realizing how complicated it was going to be as I start to put in some initial info.Hi, I have a couple of recommendations in the LA area if you are interested. Hope you find a good one! Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Also...ouch, cwik. I didn't realize getting opinions on an unusual line was grounds for having your intelligence insulted by one of the most civil posters on FCP :)Maybe this hand was just too villain-specific to be discussed in a vacuum. The stats aren't telling the whole story.Your thought process on the hand and your reaction are kind of all over the place. Sometimes you have enough info on villain, sometimes not...depending on what you are arguing for or against at the time.Also, don't post a ??? by your action if a few posts later you are going to make it obvious what you did. Just post the hand and leave the results blank Link to post Share on other sites
KHSPoker21 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Villain has open shoved 2 out of first 3 hands at the table, this makes 3/4....we likey?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (3 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comsaw flopButton ($91.15)Hero (SB) ($104.55)BB ($46)Preflop: Hero is SB with 5, AButton raises to $91.15 (All-In), Hero raises to $104.55 (All-In), 1 fold Your thought process on the hand and your reaction are kind of all over the place. Sometimes you have enough info on villain, sometimes not...depending on what you are arguing for or against at the time.Also, don't post a ??? by your action if a few posts later you are going to make it obvious what you did. Just post the hand and leave the results blankSee ice? Link to post Share on other sites
ice4804 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Your thought process on the hand and your reaction are kind of all over the place. Sometimes you have enough info on villain, sometimes not...depending on what you are arguing for or against at the time.Also, don't post a ??? by your action if a few posts later you are going to make it obvious what you did. Just post the hand and leave the results blankI'm a little confused... I didn't put the extra stats on the villain from 3/4 handed because they aren't as relevant. And if by defending my thought process gives away what I did, there isn't much I can do about that. Knowing what I did on the river shouldn't affect how you, personally, would proceed through the hand in terms of analysis. Link to post Share on other sites
KHSPoker21 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 1 more, standard? Villian is 18/13/2.1 w 3bet of 9 over 230handsPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comsaw flopUTG ($20)MP ($127.55)CO ($100)Hero (Button) ($123)SB ($100.50)BB ($98.70)Preflop: Hero is Button with K, Q3 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB raises to $12, 1 fold, Hero calls $9Flop: ($25) 9, 3, 10(2 players)SB bets $14, Hero raises to $44, Link to post Share on other sites
RDog 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Villain is an aggro reg running 28/23/8.5 over 100 hands.Fold to Cbet 29%I took a very weird line, trying to make it look like I was on a flush draw on the turn. By the time we got to the riv I wasn't sure he took the bait or if I was about to get owned. The more I look at it, the less I like it...Thoughts?$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem5 playersConverted at weaktight.comStacks:UTG ($18.80)CO ($100.00)BTN ($100.00)Hero (SB) ($150.95)BB ($138.20)Pre-flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is SB 3 folds, Hero raises to $4, BB calls $3Flop: ($8, 2 players)Hero checks, BB bets $5, Hero calls $5Turn: ($18, 2 players)Hero bets $12, BB raises to $32, Hero calls $20River: ($82, 2 players)Hero checks, BB bets $52, Hero ?????Although my first thought was much like Cwik's about the line putting you in a really weird spot after talking to Ice about it I don't think I hate it as long as we call the river. Against this specific Villain we essentially flopped the nuts. Being that we are pretty much never folding here to him, taking a non-traditional line like this probably is going to extract more value than keeping control of the hand ourselves. If we are taking a line like this I think we have to be doing it with the thought that we are calling all the way down when Villain does what he did. And Cwik I don't think he probably took much time to call the river and I don't really think in the end his question was "do I call the river?" I think it was more of "how is my line?" and just posed the question incorrectly. Link to post Share on other sites
RDog 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 1 more, standard? Villian is 18/13/2.1 w 3bet of 9 over 230handsPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comsaw flopUTG ($20)MP ($127.55)CO ($100)Hero (Button) ($123)SB ($100.50)BB ($98.70)Preflop: Hero is Button with K, Q3 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB raises to $12, 1 fold, Hero calls $9Flop: ($25) 9, 3, 10(2 players)SB bets $14, Hero raises to $44,What is your plan if he shoves? Link to post Share on other sites
KHSPoker21 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 What is your plan if he shoves?Call and bink a J? Is this like before where if he calls we're in bad shape and the amount of times he folds doesnt make up for it? Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I think it was more of "how is my line?" and just posed the question incorrectly.Looks like this is the case Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I'm a little confused... I didn't put the extra stats on the villain from 3/4 handed because they aren't as relevant. And if by defending my thought process gives away what I did, there isn't much I can do about that. Knowing what I did on the river shouldn't affect how you, personally, would proceed through the hand in terms of analysis.I guess you just were looking for more general thoughts on your line. The only thing I really have to add about the hand itself is not to level yourself into thinking that you need to make multi-level thinking plays against opponents with a small sample size...just taking the best line most of the time will be +EV the most in the long run.Oh and if you call turn you may as well call river, and if you bet turn you may as well call turn...so yea. I think c/c all the way down just like in the hand you posted a bit ago would be a better line here, this way you can never fold out a hand you want to keep coming. Here you gave him a chance to fold...You may have got a little extra $$$ out of it but is that worth it in the long run? Link to post Share on other sites
king1305 0 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....tattoo this on your upper right arm?Can we play HU4WingStopgiftcards?I'll do _________ if you win, and when I win you send me $X in WingStop gift cards. Link to post Share on other sites
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