NoSup4U 0 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 So I play in a semi regular game with a couple buddies that we affectionately call the Rich Boys Game. The game is 10/20 pot limit holdem, with a bunch of very rich guys (nobody other than me and my 2 friends that plays makes less than $500K/yr), and most of the guys are well past millionaires. They also are very bad poker players. The skill level ranges somewhere from moderate to downright horrible.For whatever reason, I cannot beat this game. I am now 1/7 in attempts at it, and in total down $10K. I see the craziest stuff go down at this game, yet I run into the nuts constantly. My last time there, I was up $2K, and within half an hour, was down $4K, never having less than 3 of a kind in my hand, playing 5 handed. I've seen a $15K pot, where the board read KhQhTh9h5c, and 2 guys on the river were raising/reraising pot back and forth, till finally the guy with the Ah just called, and the other dude turns over KT. Thats just one example of the madness that I witness regularly.So tonight, I played for 5 hours before busting out down $3K. The 5 best hands I saw all night were: AKs, AQo, AJo, ATo, and 66. No other pocket pairs all night. My AKs ran into aces all in pf 6 handed and I got stacked, my AQo ran into JJ all in pf 5 handed and I got stacked, I flopped a Jack high flush when someone else flopped a Qhigh flush and I knew where the Ace was in that hand, and got stacked.Anyway just wanted to *****. I don't care about the money, it just kills me I can't beat this game. Its like one of those perfect storm situations every poker player dreams about. Rich guys, with money to burn, and somehow you get invited to this game, and they are all horrible players. And you just cannot beat the game. I'm totally not one to think I'm jinxed or have bad luck in a certain game, or whatever. Poker is just funny sometimes. But why is it that in such a high limit, juicy game, I run as bad as I ever do? So nutso.Anyway, I think I can sleep better now tonight after venting. Gl everyone, hope you go to bed happier than me :)Mark Link to post Share on other sites
socalpoker_j 1 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 So I play in a semi regular game with a couple buddies that we affectionately call the Rich Boys Game. The game is 10/20 pot limit holdem, with a bunch of very rich guys (nobody other than me and my 2 friends that plays makes less than $500K/yr), and most of the guys are well past millionaires. They also are very bad poker players. The skill level ranges somewhere from moderate to downright horrible.For whatever reason, I cannot beat this game. I am now 1/7 in attempts at it, and in total down $10K. I see the craziest stuff go down at this game, yet I run into the nuts constantly. My last time there, I was up $2K, and within half an hour, was down $4K, never having less than 3 of a kind in my hand, playing 5 handed. I've seen a $15K pot, where the board read KhQhTh9h5c, and 2 guys on the river were raising/reraising pot back and forth, till finally the guy with the Ah just called, and the other dude turns over KT. Thats just one example of the madness that I witness regularly.So tonight, I played for 5 hours before busting out down $3K. The 5 best hands I saw all night were: AKs, AQo, AJo, ATo, and 66. No other pocket pairs all night. My AKs ran into aces all in pf 6 handed and I got stacked, my AQo ran into JJ all in pf 5 handed and I got stacked, I flopped a Jack high flush when someone else flopped a Qhigh flush and I knew where the Ace was in that hand, and got stacked.Anyway just wanted to *****. I don't care about the money, it just kills me I can't beat this game. Its like one of those perfect storm situations every poker player dreams about. Rich guys, with money to burn, and somehow you get invited to this game, and they are all horrible players. And you just cannot beat the game. I'm totally not one to think I'm jinxed or have bad luck in a certain game, or whatever. Poker is just funny sometimes. But why is it that in such a high limit, juicy game, I run as bad as I ever do? So nutso.Anyway, I think I can sleep better now tonight after venting. Gl everyone, hope you go to bed happier than me :)MarkRigging the deck??? Honestly, it seems like the only adjustment to make is a mental one. You can't control the cards and it seems like you're consistently getting your money in good, which is all you can do. gl (man I wish I had an opportunity like that, e-vite me?) Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 I think your sample size might be too small. Link to post Share on other sites
dbrent2 0 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 I found a similar game, just not that much money. I make them really pay for draws, and I try to limp in with connectors. These guys don't recognize moves or plays, and they definately have no idea about pot odds. They just see the size of the pot and call. Change your game to the fundamentals, don't try to crack the game or make plays, and you should see your results turn around.IMHO, it is hard to beat a game where there are more gamblers than good poker players. It seems you have to get lucky more often NOT to be out run. GL and keep grinding. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 All-in preflop with AQoff in a PL game?Ignoring that, I'd say it's either a run of bad luck that will even itself out in the long run, or you're having the deck rigged against you by some rich boys who can't handle losing (common with rich kids, they need to win at everything, at any cost). If you keep playing, keep your eyes open to the possibility that you're being cheated, otherwise just stay on your A game, bad play will always be punished in the long run. Link to post Share on other sites
TB17 0 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 All-in preflop with AQoff in a PL game?This is same guy who went AI with uckign KJ. That says it all.It's ok MArky! Link to post Share on other sites
finztotheleft 0 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 It is very frustrating to have to wait for a great hand to stack them. The opportunity will come.Venting is a good thing. It beats tilt. Link to post Share on other sites
DaBruins 0 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Sounds like your playing way too much of a preflop game and not enough of a postflop game. Shouldn't be hard to do in pot limit. Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted February 10, 2007 Author Share Posted February 10, 2007 All-in preflop with AQoff in a PL game?We were 5 handed, and I'd reraised in 1/3 of my stack pf. So calling his reshove was mostly odds driven based on his range there.Ignoring that, I'd say it's either a run of bad luck that will even itself out in the long run, or you're having the deck rigged against you by some rich boys who can't handle losing (common with rich kids, they need to win at everything, at any cost). If you keep playing, keep your eyes open to the possibility that you're being cheated, otherwise just stay on your A game, bad play will always be punished in the long run.As much as I'd love to blame it on being cheated, the host (and his brother who generally deals) are brothers of one of my good friends, and I trust them.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted February 10, 2007 Author Share Posted February 10, 2007 Sounds like your playing way too much of a preflop game and not enough of a postflop game. Shouldn't be hard to do in pot limit.This is probably pretty accurate. But its so easy to get in a lot of money pf as a big favorite also. I have frequently 3bet pf and been called by hands like K9o, any Ace, etc. And these hands are huge dogs to my 3betting range there.One of my buddies limp/calls any hand other than AA/KK/QQ. He won't raise AK for instance, and just muck if he doesn't connect. And if he does, he is willing to get all his money in. He's doing well in the game. I tried playing like this, and it didn't go so well for me.... :)Anyway, just wanted to vent. I love pokah, and the many funny things you encounter while playing never ceases to amaze me...Mark Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan44 0 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Rigging the deck??? Honestly, it seems like the only adjustment to make is a mental one. You can't control the cards and it seems like you're consistently getting your money in good, which is all you can do. gl (man I wish I had an opportunity like that, e-vite me?)Good advice....Variance is a Biatch sometimes Link to post Share on other sites
Sea Wasp 0 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 You may need to look at what adjustments you can make to combat what seems to be a very loose game. Also i don't know how you got it all in preflop with AK and AQ but that is definatly something you should be avoiding. i think you may just be having a bad run although taking some time to adjust your strategy now that you have an idea how the game runs may also help you. The game is beatable, you just need to figure out a way to beat it and sometimes that means making adjustments. Link to post Share on other sites
PositionPlayer 0 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 It sounds like you really do care about the money and saying you don't is a cop out for not being able to profit against bad players.If you're playing within your BR, keep at it. The law of averages will eventually come into play and if you don't suck at poker you're probably do for a monster session. Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted February 10, 2007 Author Share Posted February 10, 2007 It sounds like you really do care about the money and saying you don't is a cop out for not being able to profit against bad players.You aren't by nature a competetive person I'm guessing :)Mark Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 So I play in a semi regular game with a couple buddies that we affectionately call the Rich Boys Game. The game is 10/20 pot limit holdem, with a bunch of very rich guys (nobody other than me and my 2 friends that plays makes less than $500K/yr), and most of the guys are well past millionaires. They also are very bad poker players. The skill level ranges somewhere from moderate to downright horrible.For whatever reason, I cannot beat this game. I am now 1/7 in attempts at it, and in total down $10K. I see the craziest stuff go down at this game, yet I run into the nuts constantly. My last time there, I was up $2K, and within half an hour, was down $4K, never having less than 3 of a kind in my hand, playing 5 handed. I've seen a $15K pot, where the board read KhQhTh9h5c, and 2 guys on the river were raising/reraising pot back and forth, till finally the guy with the Ah just called, and the other dude turns over KT. Thats just one example of the madness that I witness regularly.So tonight, I played for 5 hours before busting out down $3K. The 5 best hands I saw all night were: AKs, AQo, AJo, ATo, and 66. No other pocket pairs all night. My AKs ran into aces all in pf 6 handed and I got stacked, my AQo ran into JJ all in pf 5 handed and I got stacked, I flopped a Jack high flush when someone else flopped a Qhigh flush and I knew where the Ace was in that hand, and got stacked.Anyway just wanted to *****. I don't care about the money, it just kills me I can't beat this game. Its like one of those perfect storm situations every poker player dreams about. Rich guys, with money to burn, and somehow you get invited to this game, and they are all horrible players. And you just cannot beat the game. I'm totally not one to think I'm jinxed or have bad luck in a certain game, or whatever. Poker is just funny sometimes. But why is it that in such a high limit, juicy game, I run as bad as I ever do? So nutso.Anyway, I think I can sleep better now tonight after venting. Gl everyone, hope you go to bed happier than me :)Markummm.....sounds like you suffer from "aggrodonkism".If not controlled it can prove fatal. Seriously buddy, you know you can crush theses well healed clowns. But as you well know it is very hard to beat bad players. They respect nothing and rarely will get out of their own way. Perhaps approach this game with a low stakes, low limit strat? I dunno bro. I'm still waiting to get invited to this blood bath!Good vent thread though. I know first hand how +EV they can be, he he. Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted February 10, 2007 Author Share Posted February 10, 2007 You may need to look at what adjustments you can make to combat what seems to be a very loose game. Also i don't know how you got it all in preflop with AK and AQ but that is definatly something you should be avoiding. i think you may just be having a bad run although taking some time to adjust your strategy now that you have an idea how the game runs may also help you. The game is beatable, you just need to figure out a way to beat it and sometimes that means making adjustments.For sure the game is loose, and I knew this going in. I don't feel like my strat/play is poor, nor do my two friends that play there also. I just wanted to vent a little, and genpop are the only people I know that are up at 2am, and sober enough to listen :)As for getting it all in with AKs/AQ, I can assure you these were not bad plays given stack sizes/players.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
wrecknball 0 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 If you can't spot the fish at the table..... Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted February 10, 2007 Author Share Posted February 10, 2007 If you can't spot the fish at the table.....lol, for sure. I know when I bust out, they are all like...what a TV donkey...heh :)Mark Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 I think your sample size might be too small.QFTI found a similar game, just not that much money. I make them really pay for draws, and I try to limp in with connectors. These guys don't recognize moves or plays, and they definately have no idea about pot odds. They just see the size of the pot and call. Change your game to the fundamentals, don't try to crack the game or make plays, and you should see your results turn around.IMHO, it is hard to beat a game where there are more gamblers than good poker players. It seems you have to get lucky more often NOT to be out run. GL and keep grinding.No.Good advice....Variance is a Biatch sometimesQFT.ummm.....sounds like you suffer from "aggrodonkism".If not controlled it can prove fatal. Seriously buddy, you know you can crush theses well healed clowns. But as you well know it is very hard to beat bad players. They respect nothing and rarely will get out of their own way. Perhaps approach this game with a low stakes, low limit strat? I dunno bro. I'm still waiting to get invited to this blood bath!Good vent thread though. I know first hand how +EV they can be, he he. No. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 No.No?I challenge you to come out to Casino Arizona on any Saturday and try to beat the $3-$6 limit game against young punks, horrible winter visitors and the oxygen bottled nearly dead (not to mention the rake).NeverGonnaHappen.edit: btw Mark, ill be up there today till around 5:30, fyi Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted February 10, 2007 Author Share Posted February 10, 2007 No?I challenge you to come out to Casino Arizona on any Saturday and try to beat the $3-$6 limit game against young punks, horrible winter visitors and the oxygen bottled nearly dead (not to mention the rake).NeverGonnaHappen.edit: btw Mark, ill be up there today till around 5:30, fyiLOL, I beat that game the first time I played, then beat the 3/6 at the Mirage, came home, and told my wife how good I was at poker already! (this is when I was just getting started). Hahahaha.Ack, I don't think I can make it since I was out last night. Shan is gone all day today, and I haven't spent an evening with her in like a week. Ack! glglgl though.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 LOL, I beat that game the first time I played, then beat the 3/6 at the Mirage, came home, and told my wife how good I was at poker already! (this is when I was just getting started). Hahahaha.Ack, I don't think I can make it since I was out last night. Shan is gone all day today, and I haven't spent an evening with her in like a week. Ack! glglgl though.Mark(Goddammitt! You were supposed to agree with me about the 3-6 donk fest!)Ok man, next time. GL today online! Got invited to a Ruth's Chris party tonite, woot! (no, I haven't forgotten about Maestros)PEACE Link to post Share on other sites
Vick12 0 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 MarkThe answer to all of your problems is simple....TP/MMDamn I am sooooo smart! Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted February 10, 2007 Author Share Posted February 10, 2007 (Goddammitt! You were supposed to agree with me about the 3-6 donk fest!)Oh that game for sure is unbeatable for me at least. I was just trying to show how silly I was back then, I luckboxed into 2 winning sessions and thought I should TP/MM, so I did, and then realized I sucked. hahahaAdam - I have the TP part down, now I just need to get to the MM part. I'm getting there slowly though man! Actually I've probably made a million by now. I've just lost 70% of it too....heh :)Mark Link to post Share on other sites
MyPlayIsRAB 0 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Oh that game for sure is unbeatable for me at least. I was just trying to show how silly I was back then, I luckboxed into 2 winning sessions and thought I should TP/MM, so I did, and then realized I sucked. hahahaAdam - I have the TP part down, now I just need to get to the MM part. I'm getting there slowly though man! Actually I've probably made a million by now. I've just lost 70% of it too....heh :)Marklol, i loved this part. some games like this are unbeatble. i have the same problem with low limit holdem, yet i seem to do fine at 1/2 and 2/4.... .1/.25 for some reason owns me everytime Link to post Share on other sites
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