Zach6668 513 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Absolute PokerLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $2/$48 playersConverterPre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG+1 with J A UTG folds, Hero raises, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button calls, 2 folds.Flop: A 9 T (7.5SB, 3 players)Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button calls.Turn: 3 (5.25BB, 3 players)Hero bets, MP2 raises, Button folds, Hero calls.River: T (9.25BB, 2 players)Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.Results:Final pot: 11.25BBDo I call this down? Can I fold to the raise on the turn? Link to post Share on other sites
aim786 0 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 What exactly are you beating on the turn? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted December 18, 2006 Author Share Posted December 18, 2006 What exactly are you beating on the turn?Weird semi-bluff? Link to post Share on other sites
aim786 0 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 The only semi bluff I can see there is a QcJx type of hand. Your either dead in the water, or your ahead against a hand with quite a few outs to improve imo. Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 I generally follow this line to though i think that it may be more of a leak then good...i think aim has the right idea that we have played like we have a big ace and that doesnt scare him...with no redraw you can find a fold Link to post Share on other sites
beans422 0 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 I think we're drawing dead on the turn and unless we have a really good read, we should fold to the raise on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 against unknown players that is a fold.AJ is not that strong on that board to call down, getting ~4.6:1 Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 I don't hate calling the raise in case it was a weird semi and c/f the river UI. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 I don't hate calling the raise in case it was a weird semi and c/f the river UI.if i'm calling the turn, i'm calling the river.if its HU, i don't fold. since its 3-way, with the button still to act, i probably fold this, with no redraw. if i have any 'read' of trickiness or aggressiveness though, i'm definitely calling down, though T, Xc seems likely, so the river sucks. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 though T, Xc seems likely, so the river sucks.Exactly, the river sucks. Worse if there was another club. I hope you wouldn't call the river in that situation as well. What's your reasoning behind the absolute river call if you call the turn? I hear that a lot from regular limit players. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 What's your reasoning behind the absolute river call if you call the turn? I hear that a lot from regular limit players.generally done when you are calling down for the likelihood of being ahead, not because you can out draw his range on the river.orYou may be ahead and have decent outs vs his range, and then the river pot is sufficiently big to call for one moreon boards such as this, I agree it's too broad to say "I always call river if I call turn" Link to post Share on other sites
coppedit 0 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Is it likely that they could have A9 or A10 on the turn, rather than flush. Then when the river comes another 10, so A10 becomes more unlikely and his A9 is counterfitted. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Is it likely that they could have A9 or A10 on the turn, rather than flush. Then when the river comes another 10, so A10 becomes more unlikely and his A9 is counterfitted.it's possible.I think most AT / A9 raise the flop with that board.Also, A9o / ATo is folded a lot, and there is only one ATs left and 2 A9s after the flopWould a flush raise here or wait?And A9 isn't counterfeited until we see the river, which I'm not suggesting.I think it's closer than I initially thought though. Link to post Share on other sites
TB17 0 Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Without the Jc I fold to the raise on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
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