NicksDad1970 0 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 I was curious if anyone out there knew what hand had the LEAST chance to win preflop?Please no flames.2 players Link to post Share on other sites
shrimp4789 0 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 7-2 Link to post Share on other sites
NicksDad1970 0 Posted October 29, 2006 Author Share Posted October 29, 2006 7-27-2 against what hand?and noI have a problem wording things right.What I'm asking is for xample AA vs 2 7 Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 AdAc vs Ah9c: Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 1,712,304 games 0.005 secs 342,460,800 games/secBoard: Dead: equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 94.0805 % 93.37% 00.71% { AcAd }Hand 2: 05.9195 % 05.21% 00.71% { Ah9c } AdAc vs 7d2c: Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 1,712,304 games 0.005 secs 342,460,800 games/secBoard: Dead: equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 88.9768 % 88.74% 00.24% { AcAd }Hand 2: 11.0232 % 10.78% 00.24% { 7c2d } Link to post Share on other sites
NicksDad1970 0 Posted October 29, 2006 Author Share Posted October 29, 2006 I want to add I'm not some kind of odds mastermind or anything. I was just playing in a tourney and after the hand I checked the odds.A few weeks ago I raised in a live tourney with a terrible hand. Sometimes that doesn't matter. When they reraise you all in back it does.I've learned from my mistake. It wasn't the cards it was the fact with everything involved I didn't raise all in.Anyway I had 2-10 on the button. I was reraised all in. I had really good odds on what type hand I thought she would reraise me with.She turned over KK. The flop was 3x4x5x. The turn was a 6 and just to add salt to the wound the river gave her a K.I was like a 12% to win. Anyway that's not the answer. But when I went to lok up the particular hand I lost on I wanted to see if my 10-2 hand was a better chance then the hand I'm asking you all about. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 The highest winning percentage I could find was the AA vs A9 hand from above. I didn't try too many though, but intuitively, that's the best I could come up with. Link to post Share on other sites
NicksDad1970 0 Posted October 29, 2006 Author Share Posted October 29, 2006 The highest winning percentage I could find was the AA vs A9 hand from above. I didn't try too many though, but intuitively, that's the best I could come up with.You aren't far off..... I'll tell you the approx answer it's about 2%. Link to post Share on other sites
shrimp4789 0 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 well really anything that is similar to 77 vs 7-6 or w/e...since you only have 1 live card, would be the worse odds you could get. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 You aren't far off..... I'll tell you the approx answer it's about 2%.I don't believe you. Not heads up.EDIT - if you don't want to give it away yet, PM me with the results so I can stove it. Link to post Share on other sites
NicksDad1970 0 Posted October 29, 2006 Author Share Posted October 29, 2006 I don't believe you. Not heads up.EDIT - if you don't want to give it away yet, PM me with the results so I can stove it.PMd Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 PMdRe PMed with my rebuttal. Link to post Share on other sites
qyayqi 11 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 1,712,304 games 0.005 secs 342,460,800 games/secBoard: Dead: equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 94.9237 % 94.16% 00.76% { KhKs }Hand 2: 05.0763 % 04.31% 00.76% { Kd2s } Link to post Share on other sites
loogie 115 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 With two players, 32o is the worst preflop hand. Link to post Share on other sites
NicksDad1970 0 Posted October 29, 2006 Author Share Posted October 29, 2006 Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 1,712,304 games 0.005 secs 342,460,800 games/secBoard: Dead: equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 94.9237 % 94.16% 00.76% { KhKs }Hand 2: 05.0763 % 04.31% 00.76% { Kd2s } Close, But it's something like 3s2s vs 32 os.There might be better hands.The hand I actually lost with was AdJd vs AsJc4 clubs came. No biggie but I just checked the odds and was surprised. Link to post Share on other sites
showstopper24 0 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 The highest winning percentage I could find was the AA vs A9 hand from above. I didn't try too many though, but intuitively, that's the best I could come up with.i think it is AA vs A9, A8, A7, A6 not suited Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 38 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 i think it is AA vs A9, A8, A7, A6 not suitedI'm guessing that Zach picked A9 because the 9TJQK straight is eliminated by the Aces. Link to post Share on other sites
sholden 0 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Close, But it's something like 3s2s vs 32 os.There might be better hands.The hand I actually lost with was AdJd vs AsJc4 clubs came. No biggie but I just checked the odds and was surprised.Most people count the ties as wins when determining their chance to win...32 vs 32 will be the worst since even when you hit your 2% 4 to a flush, a fifth flush card will give tie too... Edit: 22 vs 22 will be the worst in fact, on extra card for the flush on the board removing your win...Equity is what really matters, and those ties count as half the pot equity wise. After all if you got it all in preflop against another player and he flipped up AA, would you prefer to have KK or AA? Even though KK has an 18% of winning, I suspect rational people would prefer the 2% chance with AA. Link to post Share on other sites
qyayqi 11 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Close, But it's something like 3s2s vs 32 os.those introduce too many split pots. Link to post Share on other sites
NicksDad1970 0 Posted October 29, 2006 Author Share Posted October 29, 2006 those introduce too many split pots.I agree..... that's why it makes WINNING the hand less likely. Link to post Share on other sites
sholden 0 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 I agree..... that's why it makes WINNING the hand less likely.A split counts as half a win surely? So a 95 chance of splitting is equivalent to a 47.5% chance of winning. Equity wise.As I said, no one would prefer to have KK vs AA instead of AA vs AA - even though AA "makes WINNING the hand less likely". Link to post Share on other sites
showstopper24 0 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 I agree..... that's why it makes WINNING the hand less likely.good point-what about AA vs. AA-the winning hand is very unlikely Link to post Share on other sites
matdiddy22 0 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 KK v K2 that's it and that's all Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 I agree..... that's why it makes WINNING the hand less likely.Are you a teacher in real life? Memories of 'Can I go to the bathroom' vs 'May I go to the bathroom' are running through my head right now, heh.It seems your riddle is a word game, not a poker game. Obviously the least chance of outright winning a hand comes when you're almost guarenteed to split. But if you're a poker player winning means getting the mobney, and a split gets you some money so nobody considers splits in this question really.Mark Link to post Share on other sites
qyayqi 11 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 splitting the pot here is splitting semantic hairs, and probably not in the spirit of the OP's question. Link to post Share on other sites
sholden 0 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 splitting the pot here is splitting semantic hairs, and probably not in the spirit of the OP's question.Since the OP is the one bringing up splits, it probably is... Link to post Share on other sites
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