Actuary 3 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Button new.Obviously, I've put him on a steal.Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is BB with 5 , 3 . 6 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero calls.Flop: (4.50 SB) 5 , 6 , Q (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero calls.Turn: (5.25 BB) J (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.River: (7.25 BB) 2 (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 9.25 BBHorrible?Solid?Good for meta game?Can I defend here?I'm afraid I'm not good enough to put myself in these situations, yet, I want to believe I once was. I was folding if A/K hit.*****************Fold turn after his flop 3-bet right?I really got to work on trusting the villlans once in a while.just forget about this hand.sorry to pollute forum. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I really don't mind the defend if I'm feeling frisky, but I think you have to be able to get away from bottom pair with loads of action if you do defend. I'm looking for like an 8 high flop here.As played, I fold turn UI, but I would really like to see what he had, and I've seen a lot of stupid plays in blind steal situations, so calling down can't be that bad, can it? Link to post Share on other sites
Pancake407 0 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I like the flop c/r. Im either calling the 3-bet and folding the turn UI, or folding to the 3-bet. I dont know the odds I need to call the 3-bet lol. I usually call it, and fold turn UI. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I like the flop c/r. Im either calling the 3-bet and folding the turn UI, or folding to the 3-bet. I dont know the odds I need to call the 3-bet lol. I usually call it, and fold turn UI.You're getting more than enough to draw to two pair or trips.Call the 3 bet, fold turn UI, IMO.- Zach Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 21, 2006 Author Share Posted March 21, 2006 of course while playing.I thought "I'm calling down with any piece"It can't be 100% bad against a Button.We may be spending some time together.Looking at it again today, I think if I had been winning $ lately, the play would not bother me.I would really like to move towards discussing plays that are not "standardly the best EV play" yet, should be done intermittingly to affect future EV.or maybe this play sux. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 of course while playing.I thought "I'm calling down with any piece"It can't be 100% bad against a Button.We may be spending some time together.Looking at it again today, I think if I had been winning $ lately, the play would not bother me.I would really like to move towards discussing plays that are not "standardly the best EV play" yet, should be done intermittingly to affect future EV.or maybe this play sux. I see exactly what you are saying. There are definite metagame advantages to calling down here. I'll try listing them later. Link to post Share on other sites
Bobby Bring-in 0 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Imo, defending the 35s in the first place was a mistake but I'm quite opinionated when it comes to blind defense. While it is suited, it is still a one gapper and one of the lowest ones at that. We can leave hands like this out of the mix and still defend our BB with a fair enough percentage that repeated stealing against us is unproifitable.If you feel comfortable defending with those cards then that is up to you. As long as you defend a fair percentage of the time and throw in the occasional 3 bet against a steal then you should be in good shape and no one likes to see their steal attempts repeatedly fail and get 3 bet. Eventually, they'll cut you some slack. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I would fold pf. Kind of a personal prefence. I tend not to defend with suited connector hands <5. Even 33 has you dominated here...Anyway, calling can't be bad. It's one of those borderline break evenish hands that really depends on how much control you have over your opponent.The c/r on the flop is good if:1) he will call down with ace high2) if he 3-bets you can safely fold the turn UISince you never went with 2), I think c/ring the flop is bad.If this guy was aggressive, and you couldn't be sure you were behind on this board when he 3-bets, just check/call your way to the bank. He's giving himself horrible odds to hit if he has overs. Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Tye 0 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Actuary, I would ask you this first, would you defend if the 53 was not suited?If no, then you should throw this hand away. I used to call all the time with hands like this as well as us SLAP's like this crap. Suited cards make hands like this look WAY better than they are to the semi-loose. It is still 5 high. This hand plays way better multiway where the long shot str8 or flush will win a lot of bets from high pairs. You are HU so even if you hit a monster with this you aren't going to make that much $. More likely you are just going to get yourself in trouble. I have had to fill a lot of leaks in my game from the blinds and it took me a long time to let my ego go and allow people to steal my blind sometimes. I always just view it now in terms of how much $ I can win and HU it is very hard to drag a big pot, especially when you start as an underdog. Let it go. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 21, 2006 Author Share Posted March 21, 2006 yeah, I started out letting them always stealI want to practice these situations so I called in a -EV move.We agree on that.And given my call, I wanted to check on the way I played it.Unfortunetly I had a half cocked plan, and got stubborn after his 3-bet.He got a kick out of my call down, I'll say that much. Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Tye 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Once you decided to go with it, I like the flop raise to see where you are at representing the Q or better. The raise told you and you have a decision right there. You either believe him or you don't. If you do, fold. If not, you have to commit to call all the way down. Again problem with this hand is you have to hit at least 2 pair or a big draw to really continue. There are so many hands that are ahead of you even when you hit your 5 that it is often not worth the $ you are risking compared to the size of the pot to continue. Link to post Share on other sites
TheCinciKid 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 After the flop action I think it's probably a fold either to the flop 3-bet or on the turn.I call pre-flop with this hand part of the time against the button. Link to post Share on other sites
Rasty 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Call pre-flop is hot.Check-raise on the flop actually turns me on a little.Everything else makes me feel a little bit like sad.Someone convince me to call the three-bet. I'm not saying I can't be convinced, but I really, really, really don't want to call it. Link to post Share on other sites
doubleatrain 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Call pre-flop is hot.Check-raise on the flop actually turns me on a little.Everything else makes me feel a little bit like sad.Someone convince me to call the three-bet. I'm not saying I can't be convinced, but I really, really, really don't want to call it.lolI like the cut of your jib. Link to post Share on other sites
princeof56k 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Pre-flop I usually will not defend here with that hand in a full ring game. In a full ring game, it just doesnt seem worth the effort it will take with that hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 22, 2006 Author Share Posted March 22, 2006 Someone convince me to call the three-bet. I'm not saying I can't be convinced, but I really, really, really don't want to call it.I'm getting 9:1 with 5 outs a lot.I hate my turn call. Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Tye 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 FYI Actuary - 2/4 full ring last night, folded around to SB who raised, I call with 108. from the BB. Flop is 8 high. We cap the flop, he still leads into me on the turn where I now also have a gutshot, so I just call to showdown. He had KK! I'm sure he thought "What an idiot!" I know I did! Cost me $24!Doh! Link to post Share on other sites
Rasty 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I'm getting 9:1 with 5 outs a lot.I hate my turn call.Okay, I'm more or less convinced that I can call the three bet.However, I think the only excuse I have for calling the turn bet is that my cat jumped up on my computer desk and stepped on the mouse, accidentally clicking the 'call' button (my cat is very loose-passive).But you already knew that. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 (my cat is very loose-passive).But you already knew that.LOL Link to post Share on other sites
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