cdt002 0 Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 .25/.50 PLO Hero is BB w/ A A K K EP raises to 2.25folds to Hero raise to 5.00EP pot raise to 17 ishHero? Raise/Call/Fold?results pending Link to post Share on other sites
quadaces 0 Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 .25/.50 PLO Hero is BB w/ A A K K EP raises to 2.25folds to Hero raise to 5.00EP pot raise to 17 ishHero? Raise/Call/Fold?results pendingIt depends if you can muck the hand if it comes really bad. With this hand if you don't hit your set you'll probably go broke because your priced in, and you still have overcards. Link to post Share on other sites
BilliardsBoy 0 Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 I'm reraising.I think that if he's going to re-raise you here, there are two scenarios I'm seeing.The first is that he has a hand like J T 9 8 double suited, or some other strong drawing hand. This is the worst case scenario for you.The second, and more likely in my mind, is that he may have a hand where he has a nut flush draw. If this is true, you're aces dominate his, taking away a large degree of his hand advantage. It is also quite likely that he too has a large PP to go with his flush draw, maybe QQ or JJ. A hand like AdQdQcTc is an example. He does have some draws on you, but his lower pair is dominated and his A is dead.A hand like yours is not a good drawing hand, but is a premium preflop. I think that I would rather push on him before the flop and either take it down or get him all in simply because a hand like yours is rarely going to improve on any flop, and if you're not going to be happy with most flops then eliminate the tough decision from the equation. Link to post Share on other sites
cdt002 0 Posted November 23, 2005 Author Share Posted November 23, 2005 I like your response Billiards, it seems like the only way to play this hand is to reraise, but the more I think about it, my hand isn't that good as a preflop hand either. At the .25/.50 plo level, few players I've run into will reraise a raise with a middle wrap even double suited. My immediate assumption was that he had A-A-x-x.Facing another A-A, is my hand any good? The only win hand I can make is a broadway straight, while if one or both of his aces are suited, he's got a lot of potential to beat me. But can anyone lay this down here? Any other arguments for a flat call, no KKK or broadway (and what about just a draw to broadway) or lay it down on the flop? Link to post Share on other sites
cdt002 0 Posted November 25, 2005 Author Share Posted November 25, 2005 I'm gonna do something silly and bump this, I'm interested if anyone has a take. Just trying to learn some plo. Link to post Share on other sites
....Ian.... 0 Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 why didnt you 'pot' it originally instead of the tockle $5.00 raise?but you did and either way when it gets back to you POT it. in PLO you must push your small edges.stack sizes? reads? Link to post Share on other sites
spt24 0 Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 I hate that your hand isn't suited, but that is of little consequence here.This is one of those hands that all-in preflop is not wrong and not making the final reraise preflop is wrong(IMO).Say you put half your stack in preflop, what flops do you fold to? I can't think of any, so just get it in when you have the best of it. The only hand that has you beat here is something like AAJT double suited, or something similar, almost everything else you have beat. If you don't like to push small edges then don't raise preflop, that is where the edges are the smallest. Link to post Share on other sites
ThatPkrGuy 0 Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 This is an easy play imo...You simply repot it...I'll get all of my money in preflop with this hand. Sure its not suited which sucks but you what 4 to 1 to flop your set with you know will be the top set...and heads up your AA isn't a bad hand....AND...You still have position after the flop should you both be very deep stacked and he flat called you.Eitherway i'll push this hand preflop heads up all day.PLUS...You should look at it like this as well. Being that its at .25/.50 pl game i'm not going to put the player on making a big raise with 5678ds as said before its more likely to be 89TJds at bestSo preflop you are still a 55 to 45% fav against 89TJds.So like i said i'd push all day!! Link to post Share on other sites
cdt002 0 Posted November 28, 2005 Author Share Posted November 28, 2005 Thanks for the responses guys. At the time I quickly repotted all in. I had no doubt that he had an AAxx hand, and he did have AA with the 5-9 of spades. I was about a 1 or 2 percent favorite preflop with a large chance of a split. Not the point is that he hit the flush on the river after flopping 4 to it, but I wasn't sure how happy I should be with a pot raise coming back my way with only the possibility of flopping a set of kings or a broadway straight to fall back on for win outs. It was a very small edge to push if I felt like I was against an A-A hand, but I don't think there is another way to play it. Link to post Share on other sites
Jonny5 0 Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 You cannot logically be behind, reraise. The only scenario where it could be right to not reraise is if the stacks were veeeeeeeeery deep. Link to post Share on other sites
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