kevmac123 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 what is the best laydown on tv you have seen? personally i remember the 2003 wsop when scotty win layed down AK on a flop of K23 rainbow and the guy in fact did have KK. has anyone seen better? Link to post Share on other sites
greatwhite 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 By myself. I laid down kings before the flop to aces with 7 people at the table. Proudest accomplishment in my poker life. Link to post Share on other sites
offset 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 In the 2004 world series arieh layed down his nut flush on the river to a full house when his flush card paired the board. Link to post Share on other sites
karr2242 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 what is the best laydown on tv you have seen? personally i remember the 2003 wsop when scotty win layed down AK on a flop of K23 rainbow and the guy in fact did have KK. has anyone seen better?That laydown never happened...It was staged by ESPN...you can find that info on Paul Phillips' blog.As for the best laydown I have heard about, it's David Chiu's pre-flop fold to a big raise at the TOC a few years back...He somehow knew the guy had AA and he did :shock: Link to post Share on other sites
teneight 1 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 what is the best laydown on tv you have seen? personally i remember the 2003 wsop when scotty win layed down AK on a flop of K23 rainbow and the guy in fact did have KK. has anyone seen better?this was said to be edited by ESPN. the whole hand was fake.and this wouldn't be the first time espn has done this. remeber in 2003, Phill hellmuth betting out on the flop or turn with the board showing K J J x. well the other guy had J10 or similar and mucked it. paul phillips has a entry in his Live journal about this hand and said it was indeed a "fake" hand. and he had proofteneight Link to post Share on other sites
mark33f 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 That laydown never happened...It was staged by ESPN...you can find that info on Paul Phillips' blog. Do have a general time period of when he wrote that...it's hard to find what you are looking for on his blog. Link to post Share on other sites
Pokerghost2 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 what is the best laydown on tv you have seen? personally i remember the 2003 wsop when scotty win layed down AK on a flop of K23 rainbow and the guy in fact did have KK. has anyone seen better?this was said to be edited by ESPN. the whole hand was fake.and this wouldn't be the first time espn has done this. remeber in 2003, Phill hellmuth betting out on the flop or turn with the board showing K J J x. well the other guy had J10 or similar and mucked it. paul phillips has a entry in his Live journal about this hand and said it was indeed a "fake" hand. and he had proofteneightaha! i knew it!!! it was against tony d i think. i remember thinking at the time theres no way he lays that hand down to phil there. phil ad like 77 or something. Link to post Share on other sites
lax 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 In the 2004 world series arieh layed down his nut flush on the river to a full house when his flush card paired the board.i don't remember it being the nut flush, but it was a tough laydown. murphy didn't really make the best play in overbetting the pot though. Link to post Share on other sites
teneight 1 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 what is the best laydown on tv you have seen? personally i remember the 2003 wsop when scotty win layed down AK on a flop of K23 rainbow and the guy in fact did have KK. has anyone seen better?this was said to be edited by ESPN. the whole hand was fake.and this wouldn't be the first time espn has done this. remeber in 2003, Phill hellmuth betting out on the flop or turn with the board showing K J J x. well the other guy had J10 or similar and mucked it. paul phillips has a entry in his Live journal about this hand and said it was indeed a "fake" hand. and he had proofteneightaha! i knew it!!! it was against tony d i think. i remember thinking at the time theres no way he lays that hand down to phil there. phil ad like 77 or something.yup, i couldn't believe the lay down either because tony d. wouldn't make a bad laydown like that. later i found out it was indeed a "fake" Link to post Share on other sites
offset 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 That laydown never happened...It was staged by ESPN...you can find that info on Paul Phillips' blog.Wow, espn has no shame... Link to post Share on other sites
teneight 1 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 now it makes me wonder if Varkony and Moneymaker been WSOP main event champs was fake. ESPN probably planned the whole thing out and paid off the players just to have moneymaker winfirst a few hands...now the winner. hmmmmmm :sw: Link to post Share on other sites
kevmac123 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Author Share Posted July 15, 2005 what is paul phillips website and does anyoen have a link where he shows that the hand was fake? Link to post Share on other sites
macphec 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Laying down KK preflop is not something you should be proud of. Even if you "know" your opponent has AA. You don't know. Link to post Share on other sites
offset 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 In the 2004 world series arieh layed down his nut flush on the river to a full house when his flush card paired the board.i don't remember it being the nut flush, but it was a tough laydown. murphy didn't really make the best play in overbetting the pot though.I'm pretty sure it wasn't against murphy. I can picture the guy he layed it down too, but can't remember his name. Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 In the 2004 world series arieh layed down his nut flush on the river to a full house when his flush card paired the board.he made an even better laydown that wasn't broadcasted. Raymer hit a flush on teh river, and arieh layed down top set Link to post Share on other sites
mark33f 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 what is paul phillips website and does anyoen have a link where he shows that the hand was fake?extempore.livejournal.comBut I can't find that specific entry...Anyone help direct us? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 what is paul phillips website and does anyoen have a link where he shows that the hand was fake?extempore.livejournal.comBut I can't find that specific entry...Anyone help direct us?putting someone on a flush draw is a lot easier than putting someone on a set. Link to post Share on other sites
mark33f 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Here he talks about the Tony D. and Phil Hellmuth hand...http://www.improving.org/paulp/poker/tonyd...muth/index.htmlHere he talks about the Scotty Nguyen hand:http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.ga...en&lr=&ie=UTF-8 Link to post Share on other sites
greatwhite 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Laying down KK preflop is not something you should be proud of. Even if you "know" your opponent has AA. You don't know.I didn't know you were suppose to go broke in that situation. I should of kept them and lost a big pot. Dang!I folded kings once out of the thousand times I've gotten them. When there is a raise, an all in, and another all in from someone shaking out of position it is not safe to know they have aces? Not to mention he was the tightest person at the table. Link to post Share on other sites
offset 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 what is paul phillips website and does anyoen have a link where he shows that the hand was fake?extempore.livejournal.comBut I can't find that specific entry...Anyone help direct us? http://www.livejournal.com/users/extempore/54344.html Link to post Share on other sites
Pokerghost2 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Here he talks about the Tony D. and Phil Hellmuth hand...http://www.improving.org/paulp/poker/tonyd...muth/index.htmlHere he talks about the Scotty Nguyen hand:http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.ga...r=&ie=UTF-8 tonys chip count assures me beyond any doubt that hand was put together. no chance he folded there, funny too about the chips that materialise in his hand and then disappear frame by frame. Link to post Share on other sites
poker_bull 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 what is the best laydown on tv you have seen? personally i remember the 2003 wsop when scotty win layed down AK on a flop of K23 rainbow and the guy in fact did have KK. has anyone seen better?Not the best laydowns of all time, but an impressive one nonetheless is just this week at the FullTilt.net event at the Wynn when D'Agostino laid down A J to DN's A Q preflop.Considering the fact that D'Agostino was severly short stacked, I was impressed that he laid down a good hand.Like I said, not the greatest of lay downs, but it was fresh in my mind. Link to post Share on other sites
offset 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Laying down KK preflop is not something you should be proud of. Even if you "know" your opponent has AA. You don't know.I didn't know you were suppose to go broke in that situation. I should of kept them and lost a big pot. Dang!I folded kings once out of the thousand times I've gotten them. When there is a raise, an all in, and another all in from someone shaking out of position it is not safe to know they have aces? Not to mention he was the tightest person at the table.have you read the article that mark33f linked to? Espn has been known for editing broadcasts unscrupulously in order to deform the images of players like josh arieh, so this should not come as much of a surprise Link to post Share on other sites
Don Giovanni 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 In the 2004 world series arieh layed down his nut flush on the river to a full house when his flush card paired the board.it wasnt the nut flush Link to post Share on other sites
roberthart_phd 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 In the 2004 world series arieh layed down his nut flush on the river to a full house when his flush card paired the board.i don't remember it being the nut flush, but it was a tough laydown. murphy didn't really make the best play in overbetting the pot though.I'm pretty sure it wasn't against murphy. I can picture the guy he layed it down too, but can't remember his name.It was Murphy, and it was a king-high flush Link to post Share on other sites
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