weirdest play i've ever seen at a $100+9 sng

[WatersR 0]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converterCO (t970)Button (t1035)SB (t800)BB (t1015)UTG (t190)UTG+1 (t990)MP1 (t2020)MP2 (t970)Hero (t2010)Preflop: Hero is MP3 with [Ac], [Kd]. 4 folds, Button calls t315.Flop: (t822.50) [4s], [Qc], [8c] (2 players)(at this point I set him all in for 635 more - converter didn't get it because of my multitabling)Turn: (>t2000) [6d] (2 players)River: (>t2000) [3d] (2 players)Final Pot: >t2000Results in white below: Hero has Ac Kd (high card, ace). Button has 5s 6s (one pair, sixes). Outcome: Button wins>t2000. Now, I don't agree with ANY of his 3 decisions in thgis hand, obviously. But the thing is, he hasn't been playing like a donkey the whole time. Just that hand. I definitely am no conspiricay theorist. But this just weirds me out.Some reason the converter won't show that I set him all in on the flop and he called.

[Outlaw_IA 0]

gut shot straight draw, lol.amazing what people will do.

[garamond10pt 0]

checked through?

[Pupsta 0]

Bet the flop and you most likely take that pot down.

[HatTrick 0]

Your own poor play cost you that pot. It wasn't someone else playing like a 'donkey' -- it was you playing like an 'ass'.

[allinbluff35 0]

Some reason the converter won't show that I set him all in on the flop and he called.

you people don't read well

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

disguised as a thread.. here's your bad beat hug//*******************HUG*************************

[WatersR 0]

Nah, not a bad beat story really. I was chip leader going in, and ended up ok. It's just the amazingness of the level of play at this buy-in that amazed me.Bad Beats I take in stride.

[SDLAW 0]

No play in partypoker really surprises me. There are some interesting players on party poker who call any bet with any two cards. Forget odds and all that in partypoker, because your AK has as much posibility of winning as someone else's 2 7 offsuit. I've lost hands that are just amazing. More runner runners in one day in partypoker than i've seen all my life playing in the casinos.Basically, it's nothing new at partypoker.

[Nutcracker 0]

because your AK has as much posibility of winning as someone else's 2 7 offsuit

hmm, I think I just realized how fish justify calling with shit hands.

[Bigredlorry 0]

its a play i commonly use think about it, u raised he already puts u on a bluff or AQ AQ AA KK etc but most probably AK AQ he re raise ur initial raise figures that its not a steal from you, now u make the mistakes (plural) not only do u not bet the flop u dont bet the turn then u bet all in on the river!?!? idiot!! if u had a queen u wouldnt have bet that strong...... imho this was an excellent call in future bet the flop or at least the turn and if ur gonna make a steal, use ur common sense small bet = big hand big bet=piece of cheese cake!

[Allie 0]

its a play i commonly use think about it, u raised he already puts u on a bluff or AQ AQ AA KK etc but most probably AK AQ he re raise ur initial raise figures that its not a steal from you, now u make the mistakes (plural) not only do u not bet the flop u dont bet the turn then u bet all in on the river!?!? idiot!! if u had a queen u wouldnt have bet that strong...... imho this was an excellent call in future bet the flop or at least the turn and if ur gonna make a steal, use ur common sense small bet = big hand big bet=piece of cheese cake!

uhhhhhhhh.....did you take the time to read the original post? He put the guy all in on the flop. The guy made an awful call and sucked out. So, before you start calling people idiots, learn to read.

[Filesharer 0]

its a play i commonly use think about it, u raised he already puts u on a bluff or AQ AQ AA KK etc but most probably AK AQ he re raise ur initial raise figures that its not a steal from you, now u make the mistakes (plural) not only do u not bet the flop u dont bet the turn then u bet all in on the river!?!? idiot!! if u had a queen u wouldnt have bet that strong...... imho this was an excellent call in future bet the flop or at least the turn and if ur gonna make a steal, use ur common sense small bet = big hand big bet=piece of cheese cake!

Ok, you need to read his post properly before you release your anger in such an unconstructive way.

[sNoOpS 0]

As a player who has seen continued success in NL tournaments, online and offline I have to defend his play. First of all, I find I win the most chips in tournaments with marginal hands like suited connectors, low pairs etc. It is easy to take advantage of people overvaluing their whole cards such as AK, JJ etc. They will aggressively bet right into you when the flop gives you a set, straights or flushes, or strong draw opportunities. In your example, the player in question chose to play connectors, now you have to understand that one can assume in this situation they are an underdog*. This is only a slight percentage difference before the flop however, and knowing that if he hits he has an anadvantage over the agressive play of the opponent (you). Sure raising is the best play with AK before the flop, and of course you were a favourite, but scrutinizing his play when he had a chance to capitalize on your aggression is not justified. I in the same situation in a tournament would have done the same. I am almost certain that he knew exactly what he was doing and happened to get the best of you. Looking at players like Hansen, Negreanu, and Arieh as examples they take similar "risks" in tournaments to extract chips from players with very determined mindsets that they have the nuts.. which is only true before the 5 community cards are seen! Playing marginal hands of course have to be played with the open mindedness to read the betting patterns and tells in the situation to throw them away when obviously needed. ie... simply being over-aggressive in your situation showed you were a little weak. ~peace.

[wolfman50 0]

yes it is easy to bust an opponent if you know they have a very strong hand preflop and you have some sort of connectors. However, it's best to get in as cheaply as possible, it's not recommened to call off almost half your stack preflop with low suited connectors and the only weak play is calling an allin bet on a gutshot str8. terrible terrible call. i understand your point about busting people who cant toss big starting hands when necessary, but in this particualr situation calling almost half your stack preflop and calling an allin bet with 6 high and a gutshot str8 draw makes absolutely no sense, period.

[GTKID 0]

Could someone actually comment on the hand based on what actually happend and learn to read. He probably didn't think he had enough chips to continue and if you had ak he had 10 outs and wasnt that big of an underdog on the flop.

[sNoOpS 0]

Agreed. Who knows maybe the 56 suited was the hand he mentally prepared himself to double up on.. In a simialar situation I would not commit such a large percentage of chips, maybe up to 20% if i had been following his betting patterns and my chances of busting him if I hit the flop. ... definetely a very pyschological situation, odds are more a tangible asset in NL that can be played with to weaken the other guy.... definetely calling half a stack was odd for 56s but it also committed him to the all-in afterwards, as well as WaterR. So of course, he got lucky and caught his underdog hand with a six... but why do you all assume AK unsuited is such a better hand?? 57.8% to 42.2% --- So what if the AK ate it?

[WatersR 0]

Could someone actually comment on the hand based on what actually happend and learn to read.  He probably didn't think he had enough chips to continue and if you had ak he had 10 outs and wasnt that big of an underdog on the flop.

If I have any overpair or hit any pair over 6 on the board, he's drawing to four outs. That's exactly what he'll be up against a lot of the time.Ok, so I'll grant you his speculative reraise of my standard raise. I think he absolsutely must give it up when I play back at him. And even if he didn't, It's not worth calling the last 600 after the flop for 5/2 odds. It's level one and there's still plenty of time to play from 600 instead of taking a (likely) 4-out shot in the dark getting worse than 3-1.I disagree with all thee of his decisions, as I said. But I'll back down off the criticism of the original reraise, since it's understandable.

[sNoOpS 0]

I'm in good shape with chips. Around 7000 chips, starting is 2000. Opponent here has around 5000.I hold 78 offsuit in BB, Call a raise from MP. flop comes 9 10 3. I have the open-ended straight. MP bets 2000. I call.Turn is a Q.MP bets 2000 again, leaving him only 1000 chips*I call.River is a 2.MP Checks!! Now, I having an eight high broken str draw... I think sitting there, knowing that I have already forked over alot of chips and that he is close to all-in. I build up the will and announce. "Ok lets do it, I bet all-in.", as I push my chips in. His reply, "I have to fold this..." he shows AK offsuit. I busted AK. I didnt show him my cards.. felt a little bad.. just said I had pockets lol.

[bmwguy525 0]

Could someone actually comment on the hand based on what actually happend and learn to read.  He probably didn't think he had enough chips to continue and if you had ak he had 10 outs and wasnt that big of an underdog on the flop.

First of all, he had a chance to not call the reraise preflop (ooooooh sh1t, really?? :shock: ), and as most pros will tell you, if he was ready to put the rest of his chips in, he should have done it preflop instead of calling off half of his stack with such a weak hand.

[bmwguy525 0]

I'm in good shape with chips.  Around 7000 chips, starting is 2000. Opponent here has around 5000.I hold 78 offsuit in BB,    Call a raise from MP.   flop comes 9 10 3. I have the open-ended straight.  MP bets 2000. I call.Turn is a Q.MP bets 2000 again, leaving him only 1000 chips*I call.River is a 2.MP Checks!!       Now, I having an eight high broken str draw... I think sitting there, knowing that I have already forked over alot of chips and that he is close to all-in. I build up the will and announce. "Ok lets do it, I bet all-in.", as I push my chips in.    His reply, "I have to fold this..."   he shows AK offsuit.  I busted AK. I didnt show him my cards.. felt a little bad.. just said I had pockets lol.

And with this, you're not giving us enough information. You try to build yourself up with this post, and try to defend the suited connector theory, but we don't even know how much the raise is or how big the pot is. This might be the most retarded play on your part ever for all we know.....

[sNoOpS 0]

Could someone actually comment on the hand based on what actually happend and learn to read.  He probably didn't think he had enough chips to continue and if you had ak he had 10 outs and wasnt that big of an underdog on the flop.

First of all, he had a chance to not call the reraise preflop (ooooooh sh1t, really?? :shock: ), and as most pros will tell you, if he was ready to put the rest of his chips in, he should have done it preflop instead of calling off half of his stack with such a weak hand.

Ya well Assume he wasnt Ready, he was more or less prepared.. suppose the flop gave him no hope at all... he would have folded, in this situation he had the gut shot and a possible runner flush. And in the situation unknown to him he had 2:3 odds after the flop.. Anyways I never hold confidence in AK etc, when not hitting the flop, the other player could have had pockets.. What is more of a mystery is why AK bets so strongly so damn early in the tournament, whats the point, build your stack slowly and strategically.

[sNoOpS 0]

And with this, you're not giving us enough information.  You try to build yourself up with this post, and try to defend the suited connector theory, but we don't even know how much the raise is or how big the pot is.  This might be the most retarded play on your part ever for all we know.....

OK, well if you read the post, the raise was obviously worth calling from BB, and the pot can be calculated by reading what the bets were and our original chip counts. The point is not to build myself up, I was lucky he didnt call the all-in. Its to show that playing undercards can pay off and decieve. Im just trying to point out the leverage one can have playing against premium hole cards. It keeps them guessing what you have, and combined with good reads one can dominate the situation.

[Pupsta 0]

And with this, you're not giving us enough information.  You try to build yourself up with this post, and try to defend the suited connector theory, but we don't even know how much the raise is or how big the pot is.  This might be the most retarded play on your part ever for all we know.....

OK, well if you read the post, the raise was obviously worth calling from BB, and the pot can be calculated by reading what the bets were and our original chip counts. The point is not to build myself up, I was lucky he didnt call the all-in. Its to show that playing undercards can pay off and decieve. Im just trying to point out the leverage one can have playing against premium hole cards. It keeps them guessing what you have, and combined with good reads one can dominate the situation.

you got lucky to be playing an absolute donk that folds into a pot that large.

[zimmer4141 0]

Think of it, that guy is a high limit player at Party. I wonder why we don't see any PartyPoker shirts and hats at the final tables of WSOP events. (sw)