Zach6668 513 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I realize Winnik is probably a top end 4th liner, and he's an upgrade over Sill or Adams... But I still think its a meh deal. It's fine. Hopefully he's decent. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 I realize Winnik is probably a top end 4th liner, and he's an upgrade over Sill or Adams... But I still think its a meh deal. It's fine. Hopefully he's decent. You will be pleasantly surprised... Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I won't be surprised. I'm acutely aware of the game he plays. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 I won't be surprised. I'm acutely aware of the game he plays. Apparently not.. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I realize Winnik is probably a top end 4th liner, and he's an upgrade over Sill or Adams... But I still think its a meh deal. It's fine. Hopefully he's decent. I think he's entirely capable of being a great 3rd liner. I like Winnik a lot. 50th-60th overall in 2016 isnt a great pick imo. still, 2 chances to get a good player that will prosper on another NHL team. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 we got more for Winnik than Carolina got for Tlusty.. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Is Tlusth having a bad season? Grit being valued more than goal scoring ability is kind of funny to me. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 Is Tlusth having a bad season? Grit being valued more than goal scoring ability is kind of funny to me. Well Winnik has more points than Tlusty.. Tlusty is soft, Winnik will go to war for you. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 Tlusty gets way more PP time and has 6 PP goals and 3 PP assists..Compared to ZERO for Winnik Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Zach, Winnik is not a 4th liner. Nor would I use "gritty" to describe him. I'd go with "good at hockey". Judging by your comments, you aren't at all aware of his game, and you probably will be surprised. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Well Winnik has more points than Tlusty.. Tlusty is soft, Winnik will go to war for you. Fair enough. That's why I asked about this season. Winnik will never touch Tlusty's career highs though. Tlusty gets way more PP time and has 6 PP goals and 3 PP assists..Compared to ZERO for Winnik Well, he won't be anywhere near the PP in Pittsburgh. Is he a centre? Is he better than Brandon Sutter? That'd be cool. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 Also great on the Penalty kill Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 his even strength points per 60 is 1.82, which is pretty good. Would be 6th on Pittsburgh for the year. Well ahead of Sutter, Letang, Kunitz, Perron, Maata among others. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Ok. Let's do this: Kunitz/Crosby/Perron Hornqvist/Malkin/Comeau Spaling/Winnik/Bennett Downie/Sutter/Adams That's ok. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Oops, leafs retained 50% of contract. Clearly Pens needed cap space. Maybe the leafs COULD have gotten more, don't know. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I forgot Lapierre existed. Cut Adams. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 Oops, leafs retained 50% of contract. Clearly Pens needed cap space. Maybe the leafs COULD have gotten more, don't know. Its pretty insignificant on a pending UFA, with 22 games left. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Its pretty insignificant on a pending UFA, with 22 games left. It is for the leafs. For the Pens, though, they are up against it. So maybe Toronto could have gotten more. Like I said, I really don't know. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 This also backs the leafs into a corner (like the Grabo buyout), They are only allowed to retain salary on 3 contracts and now they have two (Winnik Gunnarson). Gonna make the rebuild tougher. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Sekera to LA 1st+ Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 Sekera to LA 1st+ This seems like a huge win for Canes La pick can easily be a Mcdavid dart. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 This seems like a huge win for Canes La pick can easily be a Mcdavid dart. nope, if they miss the playoffs the 1st is in 2016 Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 nope, if they miss the playoffs the 1st is in 2016 Good kicker Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 Winnik is tied with Kopitar in 5-5 pts Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Makes it look like the leafs could have gotten a bit more for Franson/Santorelli if they waited. Hard to say tho. The first shoe always has to drop to get the market climbing. Link to post Share on other sites
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