Dubey 1,035 Posted August 16, 2014 Author Share Posted August 16, 2014 Trade Anouncement: Press release. Coaldale, Alberta. August 16th, 2014. 12:23 PM local time The Lethbridge Golden Seals have acquired Jamie Benn (signed through 2017-2018 at $0.75 per season), and Derek Stepan (Signed through 2017-2018 at $1/$1.25/$1.50/$1.75) from the Lost Cause in exchange for: Brent Burns (Signed through 2018/2019 at $5 per season), Jake Muzzin (Signed thorugh 2017-2018 at $.25 per season), and Joe Pavelski (Signed for 2014-2015 at $9.25, UFA at seasons end), plus $9.75 in 2014-2015 cap, and $5 in 2015-2016 cap. More details to follow. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted August 16, 2014 Author Share Posted August 16, 2014 Twitter -- Eklund Hockey Insider -- 1 minute ago Nailed it. #GoldenSeals. #FCHL. #EklundRocks 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 2014-2015 Golden Seals Roster Link to post Share on other sites
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Dubey 1,035 Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 Golden Seals Acquire: Brad Richards $3.25 RFA Kyle Brodziak $.25 $.25 Jason Demers $1 UFA Arizona Goaltending $0.75 RFA Anthony Mantha $2 (Farm) Tulane flyers 2015 2nd round pick Tulane Flyers 2017 2nd round pick from the Tulane FLyers, in exchange for: Wayne SImmonds $0.50 UFA Niklas Kronwall $6.25 UFA Ryan Clowe $1.75 $1.75 Boston Goaltending $4.25 UFA Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 Operation: "make the playoffs with a minimum salary" has begun. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Does UFA mean you cant sign that guy, and he is back into the auction? If thats the case you made a great trade.. If you traded Wayne Simmonds at .50, with the AHL rules..The trade is really really bad for you. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 UFA means he goes back into the auction at the end of the year. RFA means he can be resigned at the end of the year. No, if I had Simmonds at $0.50 and RFA, I would not be trading him. With that said, for a cap floor team like myself, Simmonds at $0.50 is a nice asset, as I can easily trade him without worrying about cap considerations. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 No offence and I dont want to make this an AHL vs FCHL thing..But that UFA , RFA rule is really bad...IMO I dont understand the whole process, and I would be in favour of players all being RFAs, up to a certain point..ie two contracts, 6 years of service...Much like the NHL model.. But how is a .50 Simmonds a UFA.?? Can you give us a history of his status, like his draft , when he was called up etc..Im curious Simmonds is an elite fantasy player, that is coming into the prime of his career.. Again not a knock, just want to understand how it works.. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 this was the last year of a 5 year contract at $0.50. I inherited him, so I'm not sure if he was drafted in the farm draft, or picked up at the auction. Whichever year was his first year (2009?), he obviously did not make a tier, so was signable for up to 5 years at no raise. In the FCHL, you only have 1 chance to sign a guy, and it is for a maximum of 5 years after his first year on your team. My guess is he was drafted in the 4th or 5th round in 2007, which carries a $0.50 starting salary. Nell gambled and called him up in 2009-2010. he had 40 points that year, missed out on a tier, and was signed for 5 years at no raise. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 Serge, FCHL has the exact same contract structure as the FCBL had. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Ya, I was going to guess something like that too. Essentially someone could have had him on their farm for years, and then signed him for $.50 for 5years. If you ask me, that much more resembles the NHL (if that kind of thing matters to you) than the AHL way. AHL way, people get to keep resigning Getzlaf for $3 for 5yrs at a time at age 28. The fact that Simmons is a UFA about 7-10yrs after being drafted is the right way if you ask me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Interesting...5 years at .50 is a bargain in the FCHL as well I am assuming I can see the merits of the RFA and UFA distinction..But its different. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Ya, I was going to guess something like that too. Essentially someone could have had him on their farm for years, and then signed him for $.50 for 5years. If you ask me, that much more resembles the NHL (if that kind of thing matters to you) than the AHL way. AHL way, people get to keep resigning Getzlaf for $3 for 5yrs at a time at age 28. The fact that Simmons is a UFA about 7-10yrs after being drafted is the right way if you ask me. Ya I understand the argument. I am assuming though this sort of thing isnt normal..You dont see too many 30 goal scoring 26 year olds for .50? Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 5 years at 0.50 is definitely a bargain, but it's not like he was a "superstar", or even "above average" for all of those years. On my championship team in 2011, he was maybe my 9th or 10th best forward. Only last year, in the 4th year of his 5 year deal, did he become a guaranteed top 5 starter in my lineups. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 No offence and I dont want to make this an AHL vs FCHL thing..But that UFA , RFA rule is really bad...IMO I dont understand the whole process, and I would be in favour of players all being RFAs, up to a certain point..ie two contracts, 6 years of service...Much like the NHL model.. But how is a .50 Simmonds a UFA.?? Can you give us a history of his status, like his draft , when he was called up etc..Im curious Simmonds is an elite fantasy player, that is coming into the prime of his career.. Again not a knock, just want to understand how it works.. Yeah, you don't know the details and it's clearly not objectively "very bad". You get up to 6 seasons of any one player. The first year, whether it's someone you called up from the farm, or a player you won in the auction, is their RFA year. After that, you can sign for up to 5 years. It makes decisions different, of course, but it's not "very bad". You're still controlling 6 years (consider them his NHL RFA years), and after that, you can keep the player, but you're bidding against other teams, like the real NHL (even if you re-sign a UFA before July 1st, you still need a competitive offer vs what he could get on the market). IMO it works well. There are pluses and minuses just like with the AHL system. I don't think either are better, to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Ya I understand the argument. I am assuming though this sort of thing isnt normal..You dont see too many 30 goal scoring 26 year olds for .50? It's rare, but forcing him to be a UFA balances this out, whereas in the AHL, the owner would get 3 more cheap years. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 Fun Trivia: This trade discussion started off with this: "Saw you need a quarter. . . . maybe we can do better than that" 1 Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 It's rare, but forcing him to be a UFA balances this out, whereas in the AHL, the owner would get 3 more cheap years. There is no scenario where a player in the AHL would be worth .50 in the 5th year of a contract. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 There is no scenario where a player in the AHL would be worth .50 in the 5th year of a contract. It used to be possible...But not anymore Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Fun Trivia: This trade discussion started off with this: "Saw you need a quarter. . . . maybe we can do better than that" lolol, that is so awesome. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 There is no scenario where a player in the AHL would be worth .50 in the 5th year of a contract. isnt that still possible? Aren't there contracts you can sign with no raise? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 isnt that still possible? Aren't there contracts you can sign with no raise? It's possible, but tough. It's a different structure though. This guy had the foresight to sign him 5 years ago. There's a gamble in there too. I signed David booth for 5 years after his 30 goal season and how do you think that worked for me. Lol. AHL is interesting since you can re-sign more than once. Totally different dynamic. I like both. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Depends on your definition of 5th year of a contract. AHL doesn't have 5 year contracts anymore. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 It's possible, but tough. It's a different structure though. This guy had the foresight to sign him 5 years ago. There's a gamble in there too. At $.50, not really. Link to post Share on other sites
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