Folding Aces Pre Flop

[mrpaddyx 13]

Its something I would never do in Hold em but what is the general feeling on folding 2 aces pre flop in Omaha? I might sound like a complete nit but there has been several times recently when I have considered it. Its when there has been a multiplayer pot, I have been out of position and my supporting cards have been non connecting or suited (rags basically). Its this a sound tactic or lunacy?

[rrumsey 0]

I'll be the first to tell you i kind of suck at omaha the more i post here but: why not raise them pre? examples of when you have done this? it sounds like a bad idea to fold pre i would at least take a flop and go from there just don't fall in total love with them on flops where all you have is an overpair and no draws. I would say in general raise for some isolation and fold on bad flops, which may be a decent amount but pocket aces are very strong preflop. The problem is we have to read the flop well so we don't get stacked off. Unless we know our isolations will get called multiway why not raise? At the worst you have the best current holding so pot it up and try and get heads up. This question just seems so wierd i can't see why you would wanna fold AAxx so what it isn't that coordinated its preflop

[MaxStPolish 4]

Aces play horribly post flop in multi-way pots in Omaha if they are unconnected/suited. You would be completely right to potentially fold aces OOP, especially in a full ring game. In a SH game, that's another story. Essentially it's like any PP, in that if you whiff the flop and have no re-draw, they're more than likely destined to the muck. So treat them the same as far as position play decision making. In any given PLO game, I'm playing my position as much as my cards, if not more, to be perfectly honest.

[mrpaddyx 13]

I'll be the first to tell you i kind of suck at omaha the more i post here but: why not raise them pre? examples of when you have done this? it sounds like a bad idea to fold pre i would at least take a flop and go from there just don't fall in total love with them on flops where all you have is an overpair and no draws. I would say in general raise for some isolation and fold on bad flops, which may be a decent amount but pocket aces are very strong preflop. The problem is we have to read the flop well so we don't get stacked off. Unless we know our isolations will get called multiway why not raise? At the worst you have the best current holding so pot it up and try and get heads up. This question just seems so wierd i can't see why you would wanna fold AAxx so what it isn't that coordinated its preflop

Thanks for your input.When you say "This question just seems so wierd", it probably means I haven't articulated well enough

[qnshustler 0]

Aces play horribly post flop in multi-way pots in Omaha if they are unconnected/suited. You would be completely right to potentially fold aces OOP, especially in a full ring game. In a SH game, that's another story. Essentially it's like any PP, in that if you whiff the flop and have no re-draw, they're more than likely destined to the muck. So treat them the same as far as position play decision making. In any given PLO game, I'm playing my position as much as my cards, if not more, to be perfectly honest.

Well said, +1

[dingas 0]

Yes, in some situations you can fold AA but you shouldn't do this indiscriminately. It's still the best hand preflop, and that has to count for something. I think the main situation where you could make this fold would be when the action shows that someone has the other two aces. Say if you raise UTG and then it is raised two more times - you can fold unsuited aces in this spot. Another case would be in a small pot - say it is folded to the button and he raises the pot and you have AA27 offsuit in the sb and you are both really deep-stacked. A fold is fine here because you are out of position with a hand that is unplayable post flop if you don't hit a set. Still, if my side cards were even halfway decent I would be playing this hand.By the way, in PLO8, it is very often correct to fold Aces, even when you are first to act under the gun.

[RISEorFall 0]

It's still the best hand preflop, and that has to count for something.

doesnt count for much if youre out of position against several opponents and your side cards suck. being slightly ahead preflop but having no clue where you are often postflop counts for very little. im not saying AAxx isnt a good hand, but its way overrated, imo

[bdc30 0]

Nice, I see simo lurking so I'm sure you'll get a more technical answer, but there's no shame in folding trashy aces in big multiway pots preflop.

[dingas 0]

doesnt count for much if youre out of position against several opponents and your side cards suck. being slightly ahead preflop but having no clue where you are often postflop counts for very little. im not saying AAxx isnt a good hand, but its way overrated, imo

I agree 100% with this. I'm just saying that preflop equity does count for something. Once in awhile pots do get checked through on every street...