2009-2010 Miami Dolphins Official Thread

[JoeyJoJo 18]

yes about this which is quite a a bit (I think you have to add in the Pat White plays which are not technically Wildcat plays). I do worry that the on the field off the field stuff messes with Henne's rhythm.

My wildcat numbers came from someone who watched the games and added them up. They're not some official NFL stat. So I would guess that the Pat White plays are included. But even if they're not, it would only bump the number from 14% to 16%.But let's not get bogged down on the numbers. Do you think that actually stunts Henne's growth as a QB?

BigD, I just dont see how you can win consistently in a pass happy league with an offense that does not even threaten the pass. Great offenses make you fear the run and the pass on almost every play. Running an offense where you take one of those off the table cant be a great long term strategy.

You can throw out of the wildcat; Miami just hasn't done that effectively yet. I think I posted in this thread that Ed Reed said that if you can learn how to pass out of the wildcat, it would be a devastating offense. That's why they drafted Pat White. Maybe you should be more concerned about stunting White's growth.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

No, running the Wildcat 14% of the time probably doesn't drastically hinder his progress. If anything, it's helped ease him into his role as starting QB, which is great. But now that they're not as likely to use it that often, he'll have the final seven games to be out there pretty much every play instead of running a play or two, taking a few plays off (or lining up as an irrelevant WR), and then running a few more plays. So, while running the Wildcat doesn't drastically hold him back, being out there more (or all) of the time for the rest of the season can't hurt. (And, obviously, he's going down in the first series tonight with a season-ending knee injury now that I've said that.)

Let the Thigpin Era begin, then.

[JoeyJoJo 18]

(And, obviously, he's going down in the first series tonight with a season-ending knee injury now that I've said that.)

Pat White full-time Wildcat offense!I haven't figured out if I should be capitalizing Wildcat or not, so I'm just alternating haphazardly.

[CaneBrain 95]

I don't see how you can win in a pass happy league running a conventional offense with wide receivers who can't catch. What this team does well is run, not pass, and running the wildcat maximizes it. All of the stuff you're saying about Great offenses make you fear the run and pass is a moot point. Miami doesn't have a great offense. It has the worst wide receiving corp in the league ( except for maybe chicago) and a first year starting quarterback. Changing schemes isn't going to make Ted Guinn transform into Jerry Rice. And once again, I think Tony Sparano has done a masterful job of tailoring his offense to his team's talent. Btching about the wildcat seems so wrong headed to me, since it's been one of the few bright spots your team has had this year. Most of your team's embarrassing failures have been run out of a traditional offense, where wide receivers can't hold onto the ball.

I am not bitching about it. I love the wildcat. I just dont think we can make the leap until we fix the passing game and I think shelving the wildcat for 7 games might help them in their journey to fix the passing game. I understand why we went to the wildcat in the first place (remember you were telling me that I was overstating the Fins WR woes at first). Also the Bears have a better WR corps than Miami (though I think the Rams have a worse WR corps than both teams).I just dont think they can win at the highest level with their current offense. They need to have less embarassing failures of of a traditional offense and the best way to do that is to keep practicing at it. They also need to identify anyone who is part of the current passing game who deserves to stay. (Hell, the owner was quoted in today's sun-sentinel bitching about how bad the passing game is.)I am not "hating" on the wildcat. I am merely saying the absence of the Wildcat might help the Dolphins evolve as a passing team which they HAVE to do to reach the next level.

[CaneBrain 95]

My wildcat numbers came from someone who watched the games and added them up. They're not some official NFL stat. So I would guess that the Pat White plays are included. But even if they're not, it would only bump the number from 14% to 16%.But let's not get bogged down on the numbers. Do you think that actually stunts Henne's growth as a QB?You can throw out of the wildcat; Miami just hasn't done that effectively yet. I think I posted in this thread that Ed Reed said that if you can learn how to pass out of the wildcat, it would be a devastating offense. That's why they drafted Pat White. Maybe you should be more concerned about stunting White's growth.

I watched Miami's pre-season games. Pat White was atrocious as a thrower. Otherwise, you would have seen that part of his game already I promise you. I dont think White can be a starting QB in the NFL. I think Henne can be good.

[dolfan 0]

But let's not get bogged down on the numbers. Do you think that actually stunts Henne's growth as a QB?

I guess for me, it's not a matter of whether running the Wildcat stunts his growth. Like I said, it probably doesn't, drastically. I just think running it less (or not at all) and ultimately giving Henne more responsibility will help him grow a bit more over the last seven games.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

I am not bitching about it. I love the wildcat. I just dont think we can make the leap until we fix the passing game and I think shelving the wildcat for 7 games might help them in their journey to fix the passing game

Yeah, my point is, there are bigger obsticales in making the leap than the wildcat. Like your WR corps.

. Also the Bears have a better WR corps than Miami (though I think the Rams have a worse WR corps than both teams).

I don't know that you've watched much of the bears game, or you're biased by your frustration with the fins. you're basically splitting hairs saying which team has a worse corps.

[CaneBrain 95]

Yeah, my point is, there are bigger obsticales in making the leap than the wildcat. Like your WR corps.I don't know that you've watched much of the bears game, or you're biased by your frustration with the fins. you're basically splitting hairs saying which team has a worse corps.

I have watched 4 Bears games. Thats what I am going on. If I was to rank WR corps, Miami would be 31st with the Rams below them and the Bears a spot or two above Miami. At that level, it is all splitting hairs.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

I have watched 4 Bears games. Thats what I am going on. If I was to rank WR corps, Miami would be 31st with the Rams below them and the Bears a spot or two above Miami. At that level, it is all splitting hairs.

I think donnie avery is a better wr than anyone the bears or dolphins have.

[CaneBrain 95]

I think donnie avery is a better wr than anyone the bears or dolphins have.

I think I would rather have Hester. But have you seen their other guys after Avery? Never heard of them.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

I think I would rather have Hester. But have you seen their other guys after Avery? Never heard of them.

I'd rather have hester as a kick return specialist. I really want the bears to draft a top WR, and sign boldin

[CaneBrain 95]

5-5. Not half bad considering the abysmal start and the rough schedule.This was a really good game. Great execution by both sides of the ball. Really good coaching and good playcalling. Ricky was great, Henne was good, and Ted freakin Ginn caught everything thrown his way (including one really tough sideline catch). Davone Bess and Hartline both had big games. Even the third string RB, Lex Hilliard, looked impressive. Miami has so much RB depth that they did not miss Ronnie all that much. They were more conventional (I think they ran three wildcat plays including one on the goalline where I think it works best----and it got the TD). No Pat White which I think is great. Henne can play let him loose.Ten days off before Buffalo. If they can take care of business, they will be 6-5 with the Pats coming to Miami. That could end up being a big game since NE's chokejob against Indy brought them back to the pack just a tad.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

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[dolfan 0]

Just look at how much Henne is progressing without the Wildcat. Oh, and Ricky might have contributed a bit, too.

[JoeyJoJo 18]

I wish I had the NFL Network.I think I need to upgrade to the premium cable package and just get all the pay channels.Does porn come with that?

[CaneBrain 95]

I wish I had the NFL Network.I think I need to upgrade to the premium cable package and just get all the pay channels.Does porn come with that?

Nah. To get the NFL network, I had to order the premium sports package (I get NFL, NBAtv, Fox Soccer Channel, MLBtv, and some weird college sports network). Totally worth it for NFL network (I love it) and the Fox Soccer Channel (lots of good games on). And the best part is I get all five channels for only an extra 3.99/month.

[SGFULTON83 0]

Nah. To get the NFL network, I had to order the premium sports package (I get NFL, NBAtv, Fox Soccer Channel, MLBtv, and some weird college sports network). Totally worth it for NFL network (I love it) and the Fox Soccer Channel (lots of good games on). And the best part is I get all five channels for only an extra 3.99/month.

What company is this with? I recently had to downgrade my package to save some money and lost NFL Network. That is probably the only channel I truly miss besides Boomerang/Nick Jr. for the kids.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

I heard a great question on the lebatard show today. Would you take any Miami Wideout, over randy moss with one arm.

[CaneBrain 95]

I heard a great question on the lebatard show today. Would you take any Miami Wideout, over randy moss with one arm.

Nope. That's a horrifying thought. Lebatard really is the best. Moss still makes one deep play a game with one arm. Nobody on Miami can do that with two arms.SGFULTON: Comcast.

[CaneBrain 95]

With Denver and Pitt losing today, Miami is only one game out of the playoffs right now at 5-5 and they have played a brutal schedule to boot. Everything went right for them this week. After that Ronnie Brown thing.

[CaneBrain 95]

Yeah, my point is, there are bigger obsticales in making the leap than the wildcat. Like your WR corps.I don't know that you've watched much of the bears game, or you're biased by your frustration with the fins. you're basically splitting hairs saying which team has a worse corps.

After watching the Bears tonight, I can safely say the Bears have much better passing weapons than Miami. Much better. These guys are open, Cutler is just missing them. Miami's wrs can barely get open ever. At least the Bears have some speed and the potential for big plays.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

After watching the Bears tonight, I can safely say the Bears have much better passing weapons than Miami. Much better. These guys are open, Cutler is just missing them. Miami's wrs can barely get open ever. At least the Bears have some speed and the potential for big plays.

The bears biggest problem is their o-line. But dear christ, cutler was bad tonight.

[dolfan 0]

With Denver and Pitt losing today, Miami is only one game out of the playoffs right now at 5-5 and they have played a brutal schedule to boot.

I really wish that Indy, New Orleans, and New England had just absolutely smoked us so I wouldn't be going, "Man, we really could be 7-3 or better right now."

[dolfan 0]

The bears biggest problem is their o-line. But dear christ, cutler was bad tonight.

Judging from a purely fantasy football standpoint and not having seen one second of the game last night, I'd say I'll take Cutler's 1 TD/1 INT performance over 0/5.

[CaneBrain 95]

I really wish that Indy, New Orleans, and New England had just absolutely smoked us so I wouldn't be going, "Man, we really could be 7-3 or better right now."

Yeah, it's wildly frustrating how well they have played overall just to be 5-5. Oh well, everything lined up last year just right....this is the other side of the luck factor.