SiLi 0 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Hi all. I've been visiting this forum for quite some time but have never had anything to post until now. This is by far the worst experience I've had in poker thus far.I was playing the NL 100 game at commerce and this hand came up. Seat 8 limped from early position and it is folded to the cutoff seat in seat 1 who also limps. I look down and see A10 offsuit on the button and decide to limp as well. The flop comes AA4 rainbow and I decide to slow play my trips hoping to trap someone. The turn then comes a 10 giving me a boat. Seat 8 had been playing bad all day so I decide I'll give him one more free card, + there's now a potential jackpot possibility with my A10. And of course the unthinkable happens and the river brings the last Ace int he deck giving me Quad Aces and my 10 kicker plays, meaning anyone with a pocket pair will give us a jackpot. Seat 8 leads out and bets 10$ and seat 1 decides to call. At this point I'm nervous as hell and do as I'm suppose to and raise the pot to 50$ giving the non pocket pair player a chance to fold so we hit our jackpot. Everyone at our table is now saying "Jackpot, Jackpot...If you don't have a pocket pair don't call. " Seat 8 then says "I'll pay you off and calls my raise and so does seat 1. Seat 8 shows Q10 offsuit giving him Aces over 10 and seat 1 shows pocket 77s giving him Aces over 7s. Seat 8 tries to muck his hand as the floorman is coming over to confirm our jackpot but its too late and our jackpot is nullified because seat 8 was in this hand. Seat 1 would have gotten 7,000$ and I would have gotten 3,000$ and 2,000$ would have went to the rest of the table. My buddy was a the table next to me and saw that I was in no condition to play after this so he patted me on the back and we walked to the cashier. On our way there all the regulars that I've come to know and even the staff walked up to me to say sorry for what happened. Link to post Share on other sites
blubberbutt 0 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 it took me awhile to get it but... bad beat jackpot? If you have a full house and it loses you win money? Wow, bad call by the guy with what, K-high? Pretty stupid, but what can you do? Link to post Share on other sites
HoosierAlum 0 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 What are the bad beat jackpot requirements at Commerce?? At the casino I play at it is: Aces full of 10s has to get beaten, and both cards have to play. Link to post Share on other sites
*Lone*Trout* 0 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 could someone please explain how the quad Aces didn't take this down. Thank you.*L*T* Link to post Share on other sites
realdeal515 0 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 The Jackpot woulda been paid off cause one guy woulda had 10s full of aces while the other woulda been quads. Link to post Share on other sites
TheMathProf 0 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 What are the bad beat jackpot requirements at Commerce?? At the casino I play at it is: Aces full of 10s has to get beaten, and both cards have to play.That sounds like the requirements at the Commerce. The Aces full of 10s did get beaten, but only the 10 from Seat 8's hand played.could someone please explain how the quad Aces didn't take this down. Thank you. *L*T*It did. They're talking about the additional bad beat jackpot that the players at the table could have been a part of had the guy not called with Q-10. Link to post Share on other sites
realdeal515 0 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 could someone please explain how the quad Aces didn't take this down. Thank you.*L*T* Read it he did win the hand not the jackpot Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmaster05 0 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 What are the bad beat jackpot requirements at Commerce?? At the casino I play at it is: Aces full of 10s has to get beaten, and both cards have to play.ahhh i missed this. I was like, "the guy had Q 10, aces full of tens, if anything the 77 should have folded!" i probably should read your story again, but he called knowing that he would void the jackpot? what a douche. Link to post Share on other sites
*Lone*Trout* 0 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Very cool. Thanks for the knowledge and for not flaming me for being a know-nothing newb.*L*T* :oops: :bubbleduh: Link to post Share on other sites
TheMathProf 0 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 What are the bad beat jackpot requirements at Commerce?? At the casino I play at it is: Aces full of 10s has to get beaten, and both cards have to play.ahhh i missed this. I was like, "the guy had Q 10, aces full of tens, if anything the 77 should have folded!" i probably should read your story again, but he called knowing that he would void the jackpot? what a douche.The worst part was that his call was -EV, if for no other reason than that his share of the BB Jackpot was so HUGE...Here's what I'm wondering... if seat 8 had pocket 10's instead, would the Bad Beat jackpot have been invalidated? Would the Commerce argue that he was playing one of the tens on the board and not one of the tens in his hand? I'm not really sure how that works (I think I'd be tempted to ask before calling in that spot). Link to post Share on other sites
SiLi 0 Posted May 22, 2005 Author Share Posted May 22, 2005 If he had had pocket 10s then we would still qualify for the jackpot. As long as Aces full loses and both players use both their cards we qualify for the jackpot. It just really sucks because everyone there knows jackpot etiquette and we even said dont call unless you have the pocket pair. When our jackpot got killed and everyone was getting mad at this bozo all he could say was "How did I know he had the Ace.....he checked it?" I walked away from the table in disgust and came back n said "You honestly thought I was f---ing around in this pot." There was only 12$ worth of limps in this hand and I re-raised him way over the pot. When all the commotion was over I finally explained to seat 1 what had happen (he didn't know about jackpots and that we qualified) and that his share would have been 7,000$.....his face immediately turned red and he went outside for a cigarette. Link to post Share on other sites
DaBruins 0 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 i could be wrong here as its been a while since ive been to commerce (only been there twice) but i thought BOTH hole cards needed to play in the hand for any jackpot to be reached.....if the board shows A A A 10 X, i dont get how Q10 qualifies as a jackpot hand, so either this post is just made up, or it's true and there was just never a jackpot possibility anyway, or the rules at commerce may just be different from other casinos. Link to post Share on other sites
TheMathProf 0 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 i could be wrong here as its been a while since ive been to commerce (only been there twice) but i thought BOTH hole cards needed to play in the hand for any jackpot to be reached.....if the board shows A A A 10 X, i dont get how Q10 qualifies as a jackpot hand, so either this post is just made up, or it's true and there was just never a jackpot possibility anyway, or the rules at commerce may just be different from other casinos.The Q-10 doesn't qualify as a jackpot hand, and that's why they lost it.If that hand hadn't played, and only the pocket sevens hand had called, then they would have qualified for the jackpot.(NOTE: This is now the second time that this has been clarified by me personally.) Link to post Share on other sites
SiLi 0 Posted May 23, 2005 Author Share Posted May 23, 2005 lol I thought I explained it pretty well it my original post that the Q10 killed what would have been a jackpot Link to post Share on other sites
TheMathProf 0 Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Don't worry, SiLi, I've never even played anywhere that has a bad beat jackpot and I got it. Link to post Share on other sites
ninthgate16 0 Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Don't worry, SiLi, I've never even played anywhere that has a bad beat jackpot and I got it. Word Link to post Share on other sites
PotDragon 0 Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 I look down and see A10 offsuit on the button and decide to limp as well.How'd that work out ? What have we learned ? :doh: Link to post Share on other sites
kindofblu 0 Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Now, at least at some casinos, you cannot mention your hand in a badbeat jackpot. It looks like you guys did this. I know at some casinos the jackpot would be dead. Just to be devil's advocate, you could get anyone out of a pot by representing the case card to three on the board. Guy had a decent boat. Sort of had to call. Even if you told him otherwise, the jackpot then wouldnt be in play. Link to post Share on other sites
SiLi 0 Posted May 23, 2005 Author Share Posted May 23, 2005 yeah, I had this in mind and so I didn't say a word during all this action but the rest of the table did (as they always do anytime it gets close) and even the dealer said we could have gotten it. That no talking about the hand rule is not something they can really enforce there since all they have to go by is the cameras. The dealer said we all should have just talked it through like everyone else does but seat 8 wouldnt listen to what we were saying. Link to post Share on other sites
DaBruins 0 Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 i could be wrong here as its been a while since ive been to commerce (only been there twice) but i thought BOTH hole cards needed to play in the hand for any jackpot to be reached.....if the board shows A A A 10 X, i dont get how Q10 qualifies as a jackpot hand, so either this post is just made up, or it's true and there was just never a jackpot possibility anyway, or the rules at commerce may just be different from other casinos.The Q-10 doesn't qualify as a jackpot hand, and that's why they lost it.If that hand hadn't played, and only the pocket sevens hand had called, then they would have qualified for the jackpot.(NOTE: This is now the second time that this has been clarified by me personally.) ok, i guess i read it wrong and just dont understand. From what i've seen, casinos only have jackpots when Aces full of tens and up loses assuming the guy uses both hole cards, but i guess Commerce has it when any Aces full loses, right? Because the other player just had aces full of sevens. The way i originally read it, i thought you meant to say that the guy had Aces full of tens and threw his hand in the muck, thus wiping out any jackpot possibilities. So now that i re-read it, let me get this 1 part clear, since there was 1 player in the hand who was not using both his hole cards, the jackpot is nullified? That seems like a pretty strange rule since there was still a player in the hand who had a qualifying hand and lost. I dont know why rules would change in this situation whether or not the Q10 is in the hand or not. Anyone care to explain?Edit: And on a related note, one of my friends who is underage (he's 20) told me he was involved in a jackpot hand at either the bike or commerce (cant remember right now) but had to hurry up and leave the table before anyone came since he was underage. I just thought that was hilarious, i'm sure the other players at the table were more than happy to see this 'idiot' leave when a jackpot hand is revealed. Link to post Share on other sites
SiLi 0 Posted May 23, 2005 Author Share Posted May 23, 2005 #1. Aces full or better has to lose #2. Both players must use their hole cards#3. Must be a heads up showdown (not 100% positive about this one but pretty sure)So even if the pocket 7 wasn't in this hand the player with Q10 wouldn't have a jackpot hand anyway. It had to be me and the 77 flipping over our cards.Note: This was a regular jackpot. Commerce has double jackpots that are awarded if you have a jackpot hand during a certain hour in the day. And superjackpots (100,000$) if quad 6s or better loses during a specific hour. Link to post Share on other sites
omnic0n 0 Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 I was there last night when that hand happened. I was at the other table, and my friend was at your table. I thought you guys were gonna kill that guy with the QT Link to post Share on other sites
SiLi 0 Posted May 23, 2005 Author Share Posted May 23, 2005 LoL. I was actually surprised that the rest of the table didn't get madder. I guess because it wasn't a double jackpot and their share wasn't alot. A big part of it may have been that the guy with 7s didn't realize it was jackpot. I'm pretty sure if this happened to some other table they'd blow up at that guy with the Q10. What made it worse was that he actually had the nerve to say "someone messed up a jackpot for me once so I know how it feels," as if that was suppose to make us all feel better. It probably wasn't even true and was his lame attempt at gaining some sympathy. Link to post Share on other sites
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