The Official Obama Scorecard Thread

[strategy 4]

yeah, judging by these anecdotes, it's no wonder mcdonalds has dominated fast food.

[CaneBrain 95]

Wow, I really disagree with this. I think there is much more latitude for screw ups at lower end jobs. The cost of hiring is expensive. So someone is 10 minutes late everyday, he does a decent job and his register is only a few bucks off here and there.Where as if I did that in an upper management position I would be gone in very short time.

Wow, I sparked an accidental debate!You misunderstood my point....I meant the lower on the socio-economic ladder that you start life.....the less "life mistakes" you can make. Like I said about my peers from childhood, a number of them were actually kicked out of high school but it barely affected their prospects. I seriously doubt a kid from Liberty city could just have shrugged off getting kicked out of high school like that.It's basically a Chris Rock skit....if you are black and average you won't get ahead, but if you are white, privileged and average....you could be George Bush!

[CaneBrain 95]

LOL from now on I'm gonna call you Mr Straight Forward when you put forth your straight forward platitudes.

can I call you Mr. can't understand simple concepts?or Mr. hates reading comprehension? because you clearly did not get what I said.....starting to think you and SweetDee share a brain....he has the exact same lame misinterpretation of what I have been saying too.

[gobears 0]

I've worked over 20 years in silicon valley - typically, it's the low wage employees who get fired fairly often since it's pretty easy to replace them. For the high level folks, they can screw up but they typically only get fired when a new CEO/CFO/COO takes over and cleans house (e.g. all the VPs get fired, even the good ones) and bring in their "trusted" staff.As for middle management, it rolls downhill as the new VPs bring in their own staff. Once in awhile, you find a new manager who actually tries to be objective and actually takes some time to evaluate his new staff before swinging the axe but it's not common.

[Zealous Donkey 0]

I think it's that poor people can't count.but really though, in my corporate experience, the higher up you are the more volatile your job is. leaders of my company are always getting shifted around and fired, but you have to be a freaking retard to get fired on the lower levels.

Yep, in the Casino, the saying is when you get promoted you are that much closer to the door. Middle managers are fired all the time, while you have to do something blatent to get bounced out of a dealer job. Hell the other night a fist fight broke out in the break room between two dealers, and neither one was fired.

[akoff 0]

Wow, I sparked an accidental debate!You misunderstood my point....I meant the lower on the socio-economic ladder that you start life.....the less "life mistakes" you can make. Like I said about my peers from childhood, a number of them were actually kicked out of high school but it barely affected their prospects. I seriously doubt a kid from Liberty city could just have shrugged off getting kicked out of high school like that.It's basically a Chris Rock skit....if you are black and average you won't get ahead, but if you are white, privileged and average....you could be George Bush!

There you go, Chris rock shit for support your arguement. yea that is gonna work out well for you. comedian who doesn't even believe what he says himself. He is pretty damn funny though. Lame excuses will not get it done for you here. you have no idea how normal people grow up and achive things, mostly due to your elitist nature and the fact you never had to earn anything in your life. You assume because you aren't tough enough to achive on your own that nobody else will be either...it is a flawed theory.

[LongLiveYorke 38]

Lame excuses will not get it done for you here. you have no idea how normal people grow up and achive things, mostly due to your elitist nature and the fact you never had to earn anything in your life. You assume because you aren't tough enough to achive on your own that nobody else will be either...it is a flawed theory.

Dude, let's take it easy on the personal attacks. This is a passionate yet friendly forum. Let's keep it that way.

[SAM_Hard8 50]

can I call you Mr. can't understand simple concepts?or Mr. hates reading comprehension? because you clearly did not get what I said.....starting to think you and SweetDee share a brain....he has the exact same lame misinterpretation of what I have been saying too.

yup obviously anyone who disagrees with you has to be stupid. Must be a lot of pressure to be so smart.

[LongLiveYorke 38]

Must be a lot of pressure to be so smart.

Believe me, it really is.

[CaneBrain 95]

yup obviously anyone who disagrees with you has to be stupid. Must be a lot of pressure to be so smart.

once again, you have read something I wrote and not understood it and decided I called you stupid.Mr. bad reading comprehension!

[CaneBrain 95]

There you go, Chris rock shit for support your arguement. yea that is gonna work out well for you. comedian who doesn't even believe what he says himself. He is pretty damn funny though. Lame excuses will not get it done for you here. you have no idea how normal people grow up and achive things, mostly due to your elitist nature and the fact you never had to earn anything in your life. You assume because you aren't tough enough to achive on your own that nobody else will be either...it is a flawed theory.

Chris Rock obviously believes that when he says it. Sweet personal attack though....way to overcome having a mediocre job in the 90s! You are so tough, sir! There will be a made for tv movie about your struggle to overcome adversity (and poor spelling) one day, no doubt.You do realize I go to work every day right? I earn a paycheck every day just like most people on here. Well, not every day---Sundays are for football.

[akoff 0]

Dude, let's take it easy on the personal attacks. This is a passionate yet friendly forum. Let's keep it that way.

Fair enough, I do get angry when people have excuses for everything. The biggest thing we lack a country is accountability and toughness. It makes me sick. We have been so spoiled; pampered and generally lazy sometimes I can’t stand it. The entrepreneurial spirit is what built this country; it provided all of the wealth that allowed us to even have these arguments. Generations of immigrants came here with nothing and built empires, they did it as orphans, as uneducated people some of whom didn’t speak the language. They were expected to assimilate into our culture and for the most part were happy to do so. I have a hard time with the whole argument of they are poor, they don’t get fair shake, they can’t afford to make a mistake, they come from a rotten childhood blah blah blah. There is true truth to those statements but it has always been that way. The only difference is 50 years ago or 100 years ago you were on your own and you found away to take care of yourself because that is way life is. The system is broken…and keeping it in place with more money will not fix it. Spend money on education, i fully support that; don’t compare it to percent of wealth or GDP or whatever. They don’t equate. I spend a tremendous amount of money on golf, I enjoy it but it is a tiny percentage of my income. The fact that it is a tiny percentage doesn’t change the fact that is a lot of money…our spending on the poor (regardless of color) and education falls into similar category.

[mk 11]

The entrepreneurial spirit Slavery, of course, is what built this country; it provided all of the wealth that allowed us to even have these arguments. Generations of immigrants Slaves came were brought here with nothing and built agrarian empires, they did it as orphans, as uneducated people some all of whom didn’t speak the language. They were paid nothing and their owners became extraordinarily wealthy, which in turn made the country extraordinarily wealthy. After hundreds of years, they were freed, but still had no rights and were treated widely as subhumans but were expected to assimilate into our culture and for the most part were happy found it rather difficult to do so, what with Jim Crow and all that. Then there were a couple world wars which destroyed Europe and left the U.S. as the only major Western power still standing. Yay us. Hey, then in 1964 black people started being able to drink from the same water fountains as white people. Yay us again. And hey, there are plenty of people still alive today from that time so maybe we aren't so far removed from it, BUT HEY:I have a hard time with the whole argument of they are poor, they don’t get fair shake, they can’t afford to make a mistake, they come from a rotten childhood blah blah blah. There is true truth to those statements but it has always been that way. The only difference is 50 years ago or 100 years ago you white immigrants were on your their own and you they found away to take care of yourself themselves because that is way life is they had rights. The system is broken…and keeping it in place with more money will not fix it.Spend money on education, i fully support that; don’t compare it to percent of wealth or GDP or whatever. They don’t equate. I spend a tremendous amount of money on golf, I enjoy it but it is a tiny percentage of my income. The fact that it is a tiny percentage doesn’t change the fact that is a lot of money…our spending on the poor (regardless of color) and education falls into similar category.

I fully support education, too. Education of akoff. Start spending some of your golf money on spelling lessons, big guy.

[Balloon guy 158]

YEAAAAAA.The San Francisco politicians serving congruently with the Obama administration have decided to:OUTLAW HAPPY MEALSTheir new ruling is that no toys can be given out with food that doesn't meet their standards of the amount of calories and transfats.So while you liberals are crying about the right 'not being for small government'...the left is telling you that toys cannot be given out with food that has x amount of salt or calories..Welcome to your liberal utopia!

[akoff 0]

I fully support education, too. Education of akoff. Start spending some of your golf money on spelling lessons, big guy.

Slavery was such a small part of the building of this country. Granted to those who had them it was great but they were a very small amount of the population. I realize it is great for you to attempt use it as ammo becuase there is no way to defend slavery. There is also the little fact that this country didn't really explode until the industrial revolution...after slavery was done with. Feel free to carry on with your history lessons but you may want to try being correct next time.

[Balloon guy 158]

Slavery was such a small part of the building of this country. Granted to those who had them it was great but they were a very small amount of the population. I realize it is great for you to attempt use it as ammo becuase there is no way to defend slavery. There is also the little fact that this country didn't really explode until the industrial revolution...after slavery was done with. Feel free to carry on with your history lessons but you may want to try being correct next time.

Which political party was in power when slavery was outlawed?Oh yea...republicans.The democrats were in power for many many decades and kept slavery legal.The Jim Crow laws were only enacted in democrat controlled states as well.

[akoff 0]

Which political party was in power when slavery was outlawed?Oh yea...republicans.The democrats were in power for many many decades and kept slavery legal.The Jim Crow laws were only enacted in democrat controlled states as well.

more of those pesky history lessons. give the democrats a a few more years and they will change the history books so they feel better about themselves.

[CaneBrain 95]

Slavery was such a small part of the building of this country.

LMFAO! And you are accusing Democrats of re-writing history?Please stop before I suffocate from laughter.

[Balloon guy 158]

LMFAO! And you are accusing Democrats of re-writing history?Please stop before I suffocate from laughter.

Come on, you know killing Indians and taking their land was way more important than growing cotton....That and including Christianity into every aspect of private and public life.

[Skeleton Jelly 2]

OUTLAW HAPPY MEALS

This is one of those rulings where the group that it's supposed to serve (kids) is the only one hurt by it.I agree with the sentiment that kids should be eating less fast food, but I'm guessing this has zero impact on that. Parents are probably happy they can rid themselves of all those stupid little toys, but they're still going to buy the cheap, fast meal, toy or no toy. So really it's just taking a little piece of joy from the kids. Those poor, fat kids.

[CaneBrain 95]

Come on, you know killing Indians and taking their land was way more important than growing cotton....That and including Christianity into every aspect of private and public life.

slavery provided a cheap labor source that allowed America to become a major player in world trade without any of the normal growing pains of an emerging economy. Ironically, I think you could make a good argument that the US would never have become a world power so quickly without slavery. Just more of akoff's ridiculous nonsense interspersed with partisan cheerleading and blaming the Democrats for all the world's problems.the happy meal ban is pretty ridiculous.

[vbnautilus 48]

This is one of those rulings where the group that it's supposed to serve (kids) is the only one hurt by it.I agree with the sentiment that kids should be eating less fast food, but I'm guessing this has zero impact on that. Parents are probably happy they can rid themselves of all those stupid little toys, but they're still going to buy the cheap, fast meal, toy or no toy. So really it's just taking a little piece of joy from the kids. Those poor, fat kids.

I dunno, the marketing of fast food to kids is pretty sleazy. They use those toys to hypnotize the kids into demanding the food from their parents. From their fat parents.

[Balloon guy 158]

slavery provided a cheap labor source that allowed America to become a major player in world trade without any of the normal growing pains of an emerging economy. Ironically, I think you could make a good argument that the US would never have become a world power so quickly without slavery. Just more of akoff's ridiculous nonsense interspersed with partisan cheerleading and blaming the Democrats for all the world's problems.the happy meal ban is pretty ridiculous.

Except that when slavery was legal here, it was legal there. So slavery didn't give anyone an upper hand.In the Caribbean there were islands that made slavery legal ( France ) and others that made it illegal ( Dutch ). The American colonies did more trade with the Dutch islands because they needed mules and other beasts of burdens to work the fields. America wanted the molasses from the sugar to make rum.The sugar plantation owners in Britain shut that down and punished them with a tax on all their shipped in products...like tea.So slavery was one of the root causes of the American Revolution. And we were on the side of freedom.

[CaneBrain 95]

I dunno, the marketing of fast food to kids is pretty sleazy. They use those toys to hypnotize the kids into demanding the food from their parents. From their fat parents.

I'd rather they stop letting fast food and soda companies advertise in schools than just outlaw happy meals. More practical, less infringing on freedom, etc...

[CaneBrain 95]

Except that when slavery was legal here, it was legal there. So slavery didn't give anyone an upper hand.In the Caribbean there were islands that made slavery legal ( France ) and others that made it illegal ( Dutch ). The American colonies did more trade with the Dutch islands because they needed mules and other beasts of burdens to work the fields. America wanted the molasses from the sugar to make rum.The sugar plantation owners in Britain shut that down and punished them with a tax on all their shipped in products...like tea.So slavery was one of the root causes of the American Revolution. And we were on the side of freedom.

It was not about an upper hand; it was about allowing the US to do a lot with little overall capital. I can barely follow the other stuff. I doubt the South would have fought a war over slavery if it was such a negligible part of the puzzle economically. Come on.