$10 Into $100,000

[goldfinger228 0]

Graphical illustration on Daniel's progress! Last drawdown spoiled the whole picture a bit but that things sometimes happen in poker:) Would be nice to know how the last hand developed (-10$ hand)

[DanielNegreanu 141]

The guy had AK that hand...

[tmunson 0]

DN - Pls post hand history of the -$10 hand. Thanks.

[javi 0]

Daniel, one of your rules states the following

4. NEW: If I double my bankroll in a session I'll quit on my blind to help avoid risking too high a percentage of my bankroll in any one hand.

I just want to make sure I understand; do you mean double your stack at one table? Or do you mean literally doubling up your entire BANKROLL?

[FtWorthKid 0]

Daniel;I have a challenge for you! Why don't you try playing someone else's account and see if you can stack up from $10 to $100K. I'll bet everything I own that you will not succeed if you try to achieve your stated goal while playing as someone who is not known to the Pokerstars site operators.I can guarantee you that if you were to play under my account name and were dealt the cards I am dealt every ****ing time I play, you would NEVER; and I mean NEVER; manage to rack up $100K starting with ten bucks! It all sounds like a publicity stunt which is designed to generate business for Pokerstars; which of course calls into question the credibility of the challenge. If you don't want to play under someone account then why don't you try and do the same thing playing on a competitor's site, where they don't know who you are?

[Jariso13 1]

Daniel;I have a challenge for you! Why don't you try playing someone else's account and see if you can stack up from $10 to $100K. I'll bet everything I own that you will not succeed if you try to achieve your stated goal while playing as someone who is not known to the Pokerstars site operators.I can guarantee you that if you were to play under my account name and were dealt the cards I am dealt every ****ing time I play, you would NEVER; and I mean NEVER; manage to rack up $100K starting with ten bucks! It all sounds like a publicity stunt which is designed to generate business for Pokerstars; which of course calls into question the credibility of the challenge. If you don't want to play under someone account then why don't you try and do the same thing playing on a competitor's site, where they don't know who you are?

WTF is this shit???

[WaldnerJO 0]

Regarding the challenge, I think it's a great idea for someone of that level to try. But I think there is one fatal flaw. The bankroll management is WAY off. Daniel is playing WAY too high of limits and going up too soon, in my opinion.As an experiment with online play I started with 1000 in play chips and turned that into 5 million, to sell that for $50 in real money. I did similar to what Daniel is doing now with 500bbs and ran it to $180 before going on a monster bad run. I ran horrible for 2 weeks and got the White Fear.I went back to the play money, ran it up to 6 million, sold that for $60 in real money. Starting over I went for more of a 2000 big blinds method and have been much better at surviving the swings. Even playing 15-20% flops on full rings there are crazy people and it's hard to beat all 8 of those nuts, even with good cards. Add in the suck outs. The huge rake that starts at the 5 cent level......I'm at $500 and playing .25NL full rings but based on Daniels methods I should be playing $1. Not that I remotely have his ability but I know enough from books, Wilson's, hundreds of thousands of hands, TV, live casino and years of home game play...... i got a 123 on my donkeytest, lol. Anyhow, 500 bbs is not enough in a bankroll, in my opinion. To be fair, he does say that it might not be enough at higher limits but I don't think it's enough at .10NL if you get on a really bad run and move down, white knuckling.On a side note, small balling, calling when you can't put someone on a hand and not bluffing are key in micro and low so I think Daniel CAN run to 100k with changes in BB/bankroll requirements.

[FtWorthKid 0]

Daniel; you should be ashamed of yourself for agreeing to be a bitch for Pokerstars, or any online poker site for that matter.I'm sure you are a nice guy and you are obviously a great poker player but considering how sleazy online poker sites are it makes you seem like a dockside whore. Kind of like Martha Stewart selling K-Mart towels or Wolfgang Puck pimping some frozen food garbage.It does your professional integrity no good at all, as is the case with all of your fellow "pros" who are also bitch sucking for all the various online sites. The only "pro" I have ever heard who had the balls to tell it like it is and accuse online poker of the fraud that is is, was Mike Matusow. He may be a loud mouth but at least he is honest and isn't as anxious to sell himself out as all you other poker ho' bags.

[Hamlet 0]

Daniel; you should be ashamed of yourself for agreeing to be a bitch for Pokerstars, or any online poker site for that matter.I'm sure you are a nice guy and you are obviously a great poker player but considering how sleazy online poker sites are it makes you seem like a dockside whore. Kind of like Martha Stewart selling K-Mart towels or Wolfgang Puck pimping some frozen food garbage.It does your professional integrity no good at all, as is the case with all of your fellow "pros" who are also bitch sucking for all the various online sites. The only "pro" I have ever heard who had the balls to tell it like it is and accuse online poker of the fraud that is is, was Mike Matusow. He may be a loud mouth but at least he is honest and isn't as anxious to sell himself out as all you other poker ho' bags.

I think Im missing an episode.What did Matusow say?

[TheDonk1989 0]

How do sponsorships work? I've always wondered. Do pokersites pay them any money? Do they buy them in for tournaments? Is there a difference between being a pokerstars pro or a fulltilt pro?

[Suited_Up 2]

God this thread is so awesome!

[p1125 0]

Daniel;I have a challenge for you! Why don't you try playing someone else's account and see if you can stack up from $10 to $100K. I'll bet everything I own that you will not succeed if you try to achieve your stated goal while playing as someone who is not known to the Pokerstars site operators.I can guarantee you that if you were to play under my account name and were dealt the cards I am dealt every ****ing time I play, you would NEVER; and I mean NEVER; manage to rack up $100K starting with ten bucks! It all sounds like a publicity stunt which is designed to generate business for Pokerstars; which of course calls into question the credibility of the challenge. If you don't want to play under someone account then why don't you try and do the same thing playing on a competitor's site, where they don't know who you are?

it also crossed my mind that this could be a stunt for Pstars, but i would highly doubt it. I also think the ppl that claim they are dealt s**t cards all the time like you are just bad players. it amazes me how many ppl claim "rigged!!" or "everyone is a donkey", yet you continue to play - here's an idea stop playing and stop bitching. have you ever watched the pros on tv? there is always a few hands where someone 'sucks out' on the river. it's poker - it happens online and live. deal with it. I know there are hands i have played in tourns were I look back and know I would have won the hand if I played the hand differently instead of losing the hand. you have to learn from your mistakes and remember that for next time.and to claim that Pstars favors the pros is complete BS - if this were true they (the pros) would win the tourns they play in all the time - they don't just look.

[paigowtommy 0]

Daniel;I have a challenge for you! Why don't you try playing someone else's account and see if you can stack up from $10 to $100K. I'll bet everything I own that you will not succeed if you try to achieve your stated goal while playing as someone who is not known to the Pokerstars site operators.I can guarantee you that if you were to play under my account name and were dealt the cards I am dealt every ****ing time I play, you would NEVER; and I mean NEVER; manage to rack up $100K starting with ten bucks! It all sounds like a publicity stunt which is designed to generate business for Pokerstars; which of course calls into question the credibility of the challenge. If you don't want to play under someone account then why don't you try and do the same thing playing on a competitor's site, where they don't know who you are?

Quite simply, it's against the TOS. You can't play under another's account.As fas as being a "bitch" for PS, how about you try this. Write to FT and PS support and see how long it takes to get a response. Or better yet, try playing with a 3rd-party program on each and see which site bans you and confiscates your money and which one tells you about it and asks you to stop. Try cashing out on each one and see which one arrives first (probably a month before the other one). Daniel is supporting PS because they are the best online poker room, hands down. PS knows how to treat it's players, as where FT has no clue.I do agree however that Daniels bankroll management is a little aggresive for most of us, but it's his plan. I'm trying the same thing with a different set of rules. I only buy in for 10% of BR and I move down in limits if I drop below the threshold. But that's me. And I'm only trying to get to $5,000. And I will also raise my BB requirement once I reach .50/$1.00 to 750-1000BB. But to each thier own.

[Lee_LightsOut_B 0]

i know how he went down 10 bucks in one session at 5cent 10 cent .... one of the many areas on stars you get your money in as a 80 % favorite and they continually suck off runner runner quads straighht flushes and anything else they need to win .... i call it the land of sticking it bad and your garunteed to win!

[WaldnerJO 0]

It's non stop at those levels. Flop a set of Aces and shove, you'll get a flush draw calling, a straight draw calling and maybe a nutjob call. Soon, you're only 30% to win.Combine that with the number of times AA vs KK comes up, the number of times you flop low sets and try to protect against the flush and 32o preflop callers ....to lose. It's maddening.And you can't just coin flip your way around with the rake like it is.My favorite so far is slow playing a set of aces to a non connecting rainbow flop. 22 shoves and I call to see the turn come 2 and river 2. Someone said NH. The good news is, over the long haul, a good player is going to come out a winner. You have to be better than your opponents +rake, +- the swings, so picking your spots and not bluffing ATMs is key in Micro. But, you are just going to see CRAZY stuff because you can't push people off of draws. Get 2 or 3 of them calling your nut hand...... Bankroll management is key.

[Yoda 1]

All these penny stakes players make me laugh.zomgriggedaments!

[javi 0]

For the record, this crap happens at ANY limit. I've sat down and watched a 25/50 game on stars with a 30 man waitlist because of one uber fish who kept stacking off with nonsense. He'd suckout like 4 times in a row, then he'd lose half it back, suck out again, lose 70% of it, be short stacked for awhile, suck out again.. etc etc etc.. Playing against fish is very dangerous. Remember, holdem is still GAMBLING. Sure there is a lot more math and statistical play value behind it than other games, but chance is still a huge factor. The best way to avoid these players is to sort your tables by the tightest possible. Thats where the "normal" people play, those who actually understand the game and play the strength of their hands more than the luck of the draw. If your table is 25% VPIP or higher, either leave or just pray to god your AA hold up when it comes time. FYI - I was taking Daniel's challenge and have been playing .50/1 for the last 3 days. I just got so HORRIBLY sucked out on, flopping the nut STRAIGHT and nut FLUSH twice against this guy who would literally call off any two cards preflop and stack off on the flop with anything. Both times he catches runner runner runner full house/quads. Because I didnt drop limits soon enough it decimated my roll. I then dropped to .25/.50 and AGAIN got HORRRRRRRRIBLY bad beated to death. I'm now allllll the way back to where I started, playing .10/.25 again. Thats the problem with this 5 buyin strategy. YOu have to drop soooo far down in limits to just a few suckouts. Feels like a big waste of time now, since I could have just kept playing a reasonable limit earlier. Man, $700 down the drain in about 30 minutes playing one table.

[WaldnerJO 0]

Hang in there.Play your game and don't get askeered.I find going to limit for a night helps get me back on track because you tend to underbet in NL after a bad night like that. Limit helps me remember where the right spots are to put in big bets and get people off draws. When you feel like everyone is drawing out on you it's harder to bet correctly.

[nosoul 0]

For the record, this crap happens at ANY limit. I've sat down and watched a 25/50 game on stars with a 30 man waitlist because of one uber fish who kept stacking off with nonsense. He'd suckout like 4 times in a row, then he'd lose half it back, suck out again, lose 70% of it, be short stacked for awhile, suck out again.. etc etc etc.. Playing against fish is very dangerous. Remember, holdem is still GAMBLING. Sure there is a lot more math and statistical play value behind it than other games, but chance is still a huge factor. The best way to avoid these players is to sort your tables by the tightest possible. Thats where the "normal" people play, those who actually understand the game and play the strength of their hands more than the luck of the draw. If your table is 25% VPIP or higher, either leave or just pray to god your AA hold up when it comes time.

Why would you want to avoid those players? Do you not like money or something? There's a reason the table had 30 people waiting. Playing against somebody who'll put all their chips in as a huge underdog is an ideal situation. Avoiding it doesn't make much sense.

FYI - I was taking Daniel's challenge and have been playing .50/1 for the last 3 days. I just got so HORRIBLY sucked out on, flopping the nut STRAIGHT and nut FLUSH twice against this guy who would literally call off any two cards preflop and stack off on the flop with anything. Both times he catches runner runner runner full house/quads. Because I didnt drop limits soon enough it decimated my roll. I then dropped to .25/.50 and AGAIN got HORRRRRRRRIBLY bad beated to death. I'm now allllll the way back to where I started, playing .10/.25 again.

BBFIDTS

[lurbz 2]

FYI - I was taking Daniel's challenge and have been playing .50/1 for the last 3 days. I just got so HORRIBLY sucked out on, flopping the nut STRAIGHT and nut FLUSH twice against this guy who would literally call off any two cards preflop and stack off on the flop with anything. Both times he catches runner runner runner full house/quads. Because I didnt drop limits soon enough it decimated my roll. I then dropped to .25/.50 and AGAIN got HORRRRRRRRIBLY bad beated to death. I'm now allllll the way back to where I started, playing .10/.25 again.

6 card boards FTL.

[javi 0]

I play cajun poker

[TheDonk1989 0]

Maybe I should make my own thread for my "challenge." It's not exactly a challenge because it's my bankroll and im trying to grind it up. About a month ago I deposited $50 on Pokerstars and as of right now it's at $128.41. I've been playing 4 tables of .02/.05 NL, buy in for $5 for about 2 hours a day. Once I have 10% of my bankroll in play I leave that table and switch to another. I dont do much/any tournaments. When I get 70 FPP I use those and enter a 10 player satelite to the 200k guarentee. I've played 3 of those so far and ive took 2nd, 2nd, 1st. I just cashed out my T$. I need 290 more FPP and I get a $50 bonus. So it's looking pretty good so far.-The Donk

[Merby 3]

God this thread is so awesome!

QFTI drop by this thread every time I need to lighten my mood.

[edjahh 0]

Daniel,Good luck whit your challenge!

[heshkak 0]

Bump.

GL Daniel. I'm looking to bring some life into my game, and am going to "play along at home" following Daniel's rules (but starting with $125). I totally disagree with the guys here that say the bankroll/5 rule is not enough. For example if you start with $125 and lose your buyin every session, then you would effectively buy in 20 times before going bust. I'm adding one rule for Multi tabling: In order for multi tabling, any subsequent table started must be bought in assuming the first table is a complete loss. Results: BB---------hands played---------bankroll delta---------total bankroll 0.25 -------------0------------------------ 0-------------------- 125.00 - Jan 210.25 ------------109---------------------48.30------------------173.30 0.25 ------------138-------------------- -2.55 ------------------170.750.25--------------95--------- -----------11.00-------------------181.750.25--------------98----------------------13.50------------------195.250.25-------------108------------------- -25.56-------------------169.690.25-------------121------------------- 19.66-------------------189.350.25--------------59------------------- -9.10-------------------180.250.25-------------114------------------- 3.30--------------------183.650.25-------------102-------------------29.95--------------------213.50 - Jan 290.25-------------135-------------------19.90--------------------233.400.25--------------56--------------------4.20---------------------237.600.25--------------??-------------------- -6.15---------------------231.450.25--------------??--------------------- -46.85 ------------------ 184.600.25--------------19--------------------6.25---------------------190.850.25--------------66-------------------- -9.85 ---------------------181.000.25--------------97--------------------54.30---------------------235.300.25--------------140-------------------42.15---------------------277.45 - Feb 8NEXT LEVEL: .25 - .50BB---------hands played---------bankroll delta---------total bankroll 0.50--------------0----------------------0---------------------277.45 - Feb 80.50-------------102----------------- -0.45-------------------277.000.50--------------85----------------- 22.80 ------------------299.80