40AcresFight 0 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Through about 75 hands he is running at 38/33, I had been very aggressive and had 3bet him quite a few times. After watching his play and actually sitting with him, I have a sneaking suspicion that he is 4betting me pretty light here ...i was wondering what your arguments are for a call/shove/fold No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comButton ($103.70)Hero (SB) ($164.50)Preflop: Hero is SB with 10, 10Button raises $2.50, Hero raises $9, Button raises $22, Hero ??? Link to post Share on other sites
Chet Chetterson 0 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 What's making you think this is a light 4-bet? Any hands in those 73 to prove it? Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Generally I'm all in with TT+ for 100bb stacks. Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Generally I'm all in with TT+ for 100bb stacks.Yeah...HU I can see a shove. GL against AK Link to post Share on other sites
40AcresFight 0 Posted December 5, 2008 Author Share Posted December 5, 2008 What's making you think this is a light 4-bet? Any hands in those 73 to prove it?I had observed him on 2 tables for about 30min before I sat down. He had 4bet twice, once folding to a shove, and once stacking off on a J high flop with JTs. Both his opponents had been over 3betting him imo Link to post Share on other sites
regionx8 0 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Generally I'm all in with TT+ for 100bb stacks. ^^^if he happens to have a hand just hit a set Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 ^ Indeed. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I'd 4bet to $58. There's a good chance he's just fed up by your comments. I think calling is possible the worst option. It's not strong enough to trap with and way too weak a play if you are calling and looking for good boards or something, imo. Link to post Share on other sites
BaseJester 1 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 If your opponent is Hellmuth, you should reraise and hit a set. I learned that on TV. Link to post Share on other sites
blackmont 0 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Generally I'm all in with TT+ for 100bb stacks.meh, i dont really like this.. why? because its almost always a race, or you're dominated. Only reason to shove here IMO is to take this pot down. or pray he has AK,AQA line i might take here is a "stop and go" some times used for post flop. but i like a smooth call. then lead the flop for 2/3 pot. (board texture depending) Link to post Share on other sites
blackmont 0 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I'd 4bet to $58. There's a good chance he's just fed up by your comments. I think calling is possible the worst option. It's not strong enough to trap with and way too weak a play if you are calling and looking for good boards or something, imo.whats the point of a raise to 58? we are committed at that point. So why not just shove and possibly take down the pot vs 2 over cards Link to post Share on other sites
pokerinc 0 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 so he 4bet folded and showed up in another 4 bet pot w/ jt? Yes. that's light 4 bettin'. 5 bet all day. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 It's good that you were observing him on the other tables and had that information.In general, most players at these stakes are just not capable of 4 betting light. They might be 4 betting AJs cause they think that they have the best hand, but it's not like they're really intentionally putting a move on you.Without information, I would probably just lean towards folding the 1st time, depending on how the match flow had gone and how fed up with me I thought he was getting. If you've 3 bet a lot over 73 hands and he hasn't done anything yet, it's likely that he was just waiting for a hand. Calling a 4 bet with TT is a mistake.With the information that you have on the other tables, I would just shove here. It's probably pretty clear that he's fed up with you AND the add in the fact that you know he has the ability to 4 bet lightly and you have a monster here.Making a bet size other than AI is a mistake here. The only hands that I think I'd ever flat a 4 bet with here are AA and maybe KK and that's only if I know he's just gonna fire a c bet regardless of the flop. Shoving here maximizes your fold equity (though we're not bluffing) and more importantly, it balances out the bets and decisions we need to make if we're gonna 5 bet bluff shove on him at any point later in the match.So, just shove here. If you made a 5 bet to $58, the only thing that you let happen is you maybe let him see the flop with KJs or something gay like that and give him a chance to play better. Also, shoving makes him have to worry about facing a shove when he 4 bets you, which means that he should do it less. Link to post Share on other sites
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