Sng Death House

[doublemeup 0]

After having a bad couple of weeks playing some cash and MTT's, I decided to get back to the SnG grind to change things up. I had a really good day playing SnG's. I played 20 $16 SnG's, cashing in 10 of them , winning 4. On the day, I am up around 179 dollars playing. I think I am going to keep up the grind for a while, maybe playing a MTT every once in a while. This hand came up in one, I was interested to get some opinions on itPokerStars Game #20468456104: Tournament #108678859, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/09/16 23:57:18 ETTable '108678859 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: BMoneyLess (8775 in chips) Seat 3: Dave149 (2250 in chips) Seat 5: estokador (1105 in chips) Seat 8: nutzho (1370 in chips) Dave149: posts small blind 100estokador: posts big blind 200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Dave149 [Kc Ah]nutzho: folds BMoneyLess: raises 8575 to 8775 and is all-inDave149 ?????????????

callyes it is the bubble but the other two short stacks arent short enough for you to fold AK, if nutzho had say 250 then you should be folding AA

[bigbrennan 0]

if nutzho had say 250 then you should be folding AA

I think your example is a little extreme sir. The big stack is shoving all aces, anything like J10, any two broadway cards and any pair.If he has AK in a bad shape I think he'd more than likely raise pre than shove.

[doublemeup 0]

I think your example is a little extreme sir. The big stack is shoving all aces, anything like J10, any two broadway cards and any pair.If he has AK in a bad shape I think he'd more than likely raise pre than shove.

Its 100% meaningless what the big stack is shoving. He can show me 72o and I'd fold AA. You CAN NOT afford to bubble with a guy that has one bb left who's almost guaranteed to bubble as only a 4-5:1 favorite. Just no chance. You'll bubble far too often which also doesn't allow you to get first or second place that calling wouldn't be profitable. Keep in mind, sngs aren't "normal poker", the bubble situations are somewhat like satellites, while it may seem extreme, its very standard.

[bigbrennan 0]

Its 100% meaningless what the big stack is shoving. He can show me 72o and I'd fold AA. You CAN NOT afford to bubble with a guy that has one bb left who's almost guaranteed to bubble as only a 4-5:1 favorite. Just no chance. You'll bubble far too often which also doesn't allow you to get first or second place that calling wouldn't be profitable. Keep in mind, sngs aren't "normal poker", the bubble situations are somewhat like satellites, while it may seem extreme, its very standard.

Level?Are you really saying you'd fold AA to a shove in that spot 4 handed with 11 bb's?I agree marginal stuff like AQ etc.

[doublemeup 0]

Level?Are you really saying you'd fold AA to a shove in that spot 4 handed with 11 bb's?I agree marginal stuff like AQ etc.

In an extreme situation, yes. Think about being in a satellite to the WSOP ME, you're 2nd in chips and on the bubble. There's a guy that's about to go out and the chipleader shoves on you. Are you really gonna call with AA and risk going out for no reason when you're guaranteed a seat?

[king1305 0]

Level?Are you really saying you'd fold AA to a shove in that spot 4 handed with 11 bb's?I agree marginal stuff like AQ etc.

methinks you need to read more SNG strategy and get a better understanding on how they work.

[bigbrennan 0]

In an extreme situation, yes. Think about being in a satellite to the WSOP ME, you're 2nd in chips and on the bubble. There's a guy that's about to go out and the chipleader shoves on you. Are you really gonna call with AA and risk going out for no reason when you're guaranteed a seat?

Back track: I am starting to see folding actually may hold a slight edge over calling in the long run. Someone work the math out? I got half way and got bored.But.... the satelite example has nothing to do with it as it doesn't factor in different payouts for different finishes. Thats my only argument for a call, you will set yourself up to win easier by calling but risk not winning a dime.

[doublemeup 0]

Back track: I am starting to see folding actually may hold a slight edge over calling in the long run. Someone work the math out? I got half way and got bored.But.... the satelite example has nothing to do with it as it doesn't factor in different payouts for different finishes. Thats my only argument for a call, you will set yourself up to win easier by calling but risk not winning a dime.

Yah I agree the satellite example is extreme and somewhat irrelevant. My point is that if you have money guaranteed to you, you can't afford to take a risk in giving up that money not to mention POTENTIAL for more money.

[bigbrennan 0]

Monthly Targets:Play 600 sng'sPost a profit of $3,000Move up from 33 / 55 to 55 / 110Maintain Gold status on Fulltilt.

Played: 297Profit: $1,873Got gold status now, I could get Iron but it is unlikely.How is everyone else doing?

[doublemeup 0]

600 $24 stts+14% ROI$2,034 profitRanked 21rst on SNG LeaderboardBlah

[Pack149 0]

Pretty much a summary of the last two days or soPokerStars Game #20595708488: Tournament #109642805, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/09/21 23:01:28 ETTable '109642805 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the buttonSeat 1: CerebralTrap (2270 in chips) Seat 3: concretecarl (1670 in chips) Seat 4: Dave149 (1890 in chips) Seat 5: 2k05 (4565 in chips) Seat 7: eddie3342 (2080 in chips) Seat 9: Sir Tom Race (1025 in chips) Sir Tom Race: posts small blind 100CerebralTrap: posts big blind 200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Dave149 [Kc Ks]concretecarl: raises 1470 to 1670 and is all-inDave149: raises 220 to 1890 and is all-in2k05: folds eddie3342: folds Sir Tom Race: folds CerebralTrap: folds Uncalled bet (220) returned to Dave149*** FLOP *** [Jh 3c 8c]*** TURN *** [Jh 3c 8c] [Tc]*** RIVER *** [Jh 3c 8c Tc] [5d]*** SHOW DOWN ***concretecarl: shows [5h 5s] (three of a kind, Fives)Dave149: shows [Kc Ks] (a pair of Kings)concretecarl collected 3640 from potDave149 said, "dfgaiogsfsdjioavs"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 3640 | Rake 0 Board [Jh 3c 8c Tc 5d]Seat 1: CerebralTrap (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: concretecarl showed [5h 5s] and won (3640) with three of a kind, FivesSeat 4: Dave149 showed [Kc Ks] and lost with a pair of KingsSeat 5: 2k05 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: eddie3342 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: Sir Tom Race (small blind) folded before FlopSince I wasnt in this thread for monthly goals, I have a weekly goal.100-150 $16 SnG's%10 ROI

[jcashx36x 0]

Lets give this sng challenge a try...I'm not going to commit myself entirely playing sngs. I'm going to shoot for a sample size of 100 over the next month Starting tonight 9/21 to 10/21 playing $27 sngs. GL all!

[gary21212121 0]

600 $24 stts+14% ROI$2,034 profitRanked 21rst on SNG LeaderboardBlah

huh? ur 21st and only have 600 games played?

[doublemeup 0]

huh? ur 21st and only have 600 games played?

yeah? i run good?

[RickyG033 0]

okay 2nd hand of $13 6 max so no reads...FWIW im not fond of my preflop play...PokerStars Game # Tournament #110032700, $12+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/09/23 22:28:04 ETTable '110032700 1' 6-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: docksquad33 (1500 in chips) Seat 2: mrcashman222 (1380 in chips) Seat 3: RickyG033 (1640 in chips) Seat 4: j6f14c53 (1480 in chips) Seat 5: psyco46 (1500 in chips) Seat 6: Fishbitten8 (1500 in chips) RickyG033: posts small blind 10j6f14c53: posts big blind 20*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to RickyG033 [Qh Qc]psyco46: raises 20 to 40Fishbitten8: calls 40docksquad33: raises 180 to 220mrcashman222: calls 220RickyG033: calls 210j6f14c53: folds psyco46: calls 180Fishbitten8: calls 180*** FLOP *** [7s 7c 7d]RickyG033: checks psyco46: checks Fishbitten8: bets 200docksquad33: raises 1080 to 1280 and is all-inmrcashman222: folds RickyG033:??

[doublemeup 0]

okay 2nd hand of $13 6 max so no reads...FWIW im not fond of my preflop play...PokerStars Game # Tournament #110032700, $12+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/09/23 22:28:04 ETTable '110032700 1' 6-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: docksquad33 (1500 in chips) Seat 2: mrcashman222 (1380 in chips) Seat 3: RickyG033 (1640 in chips) Seat 4: j6f14c53 (1480 in chips) Seat 5: psyco46 (1500 in chips) Seat 6: Fishbitten8 (1500 in chips) RickyG033: posts small blind 10j6f14c53: posts big blind 20*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to RickyG033 [Qh Qc]psyco46: raises 20 to 40Fishbitten8: calls 40docksquad33: raises 180 to 220mrcashman222: calls 220RickyG033: calls 210j6f14c53: folds psyco46: calls 180Fishbitten8: calls 180*** FLOP *** [7s 7c 7d]RickyG033: checks psyco46: checks Fishbitten8: bets 200docksquad33: raises 1080 to 1280 and is all-inmrcashman222: folds RickyG033:??

I muck so fast preflop it's scary.

[babylondonks 5]

I think I may get back into SNG's a bit this month. Cash has been killing me and I think a change of pace could do me good. All I've played on the SNG front this month has been a few 4.40's where I really haven't done great. So with a roll of around $200 what do some of you reccomend I play? I was probably thinking of moving it all to stars and just grinding the $3 and $5 45 mans for a while, but I'm obviously open to suggestions. Any programs that are absolutely vital or whatever? Thanks in advance

[doublemeup 0]

I think I may get back into SNG's a bit this month. Cash has been killing me and I think a change of pace could do me good. All I've played on the SNG front this month has been a few 4.40's where I really haven't done great. So with a roll of around $200 what do some of you reccomend I play? I was probably thinking of moving it all to stars and just grinding the $3 and $5 45 mans for a while, but I'm obviously open to suggestions. Any programs that are absolutely vital or whatever? Thanks in advance

a sharkscope sub

[gary21212121 0]

Does anyone play a lot of the super turbos on tilt?

[gary21212121 0]

Standard shove or fold vs. a random?Full Tilt Poker Game #8479364024: $7+$0.50 Sit&Go (Super Turbo) (64524387), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:24:05 ET - 2008/10/13Seat 1: 90tee (270)Seat 2: Asdas87 (270)Seat 3: mwoutlaw (360)Seat 4: Zeoph (300)Seat 5: TB24 (300)Seat 6: Fanman (300)Seat 7: Gary212121 (300)Seat 8: The Harper (300)Seat 9: knipsk (300)Asdas87 posts the small blind of 15mwoutlaw posts the big blind of 30The button is in seat #1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Gary212121 [7c 7h]Zeoph calls 30TB24 foldsFanman foldsGary212121

[doublemeup 0]

Standard shove or fold vs. a random?Full Tilt Poker Game #8479364024: $7+$0.50 Sit&Go (Super Turbo) (64524387), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:24:05 ET - 2008/10/13Seat 1: 90tee (270)Seat 2: Asdas87 (270)Seat 3: mwoutlaw (360)Seat 4: Zeoph (300)Seat 5: TB24 (300)Seat 6: Fanman (300)Seat 7: Gary212121 (300)Seat 8: The Harper (300)Seat 9: knipsk (300)Asdas87 posts the small blind of 15mwoutlaw posts the big blind of 30The button is in seat #1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Gary212121 [7c 7h]Zeoph calls 30TB24 foldsFanman foldsGary212121

I don't play the super turbos often but I think I shove.

[gary21212121 0]

Has anyone checked out the new Matrix SNGs on FTP??Just played one and there seems like there a lot of new strat. that is invovled in these...

[Lrgetrout 1]

Has anyone checked out the new Matrix SNGs on FTP??Just played one and there seems like there a lot of new strat. that is invovled in these...

Just for reference, if you're not able to log in to FT or go to ftp.com (and yes, this is overly simplified):You play 4 different SNGs against the same group of people. The prize pool is split 5 ways - one for each tournament, and one for an overall score. The overall score is compiled as follows:2 points for every person you KO1 point for every person you "survive" (meaning, that goes out before you)2 points for a win.Additionally, reading the rules, if you sweep (win) the 4 SNGs, you get the entire overall pool to yourself. Each pool is normally divided amongst the top 3.---At first glance, to me, it seems the main benefit to these is variance reduction.

[gary21212121 0]

At first glance, to me, it seems the main benefit to these is variance reduction.

very true... I moved up a few levels to play these... which kinda sucks b.c. i would imagine most fish are going to stay at their normal level to play these

[FARGOpokerND 22]

very true... I moved up a few levels to play these... which kinda sucks b.c. i would imagine most fish are going to stay at their normal level to play these

That's what I am worried about. I'd like to jump into the $55's since it is equivalent to a $11, but I am afraid that it will mostly be $55 regs, and the $11 players wont figure it out and come up to play.