strange situation... identical cards.

[JistTheFist 0]

I was playing in a $20+2 buy-in tournament the other night with 42 players.... 6 starting tables of 7....We FINALLY make the breakdown to the final table and in about the third hand in I get dealt pocket 9's.a player moves all-in for less than the big blind two seats in front of me... and I double the big-blind to isolate to only him and I...he flips over pocket 6's so I am in a dominate position...especially when the flop comes 9 K 2 he is basically drawing dead to running hearts or running 6'sthe next card is the K so now he is officially drawing dead since I hit my full house.except for he has the 6 of hearts and everyone around the table is screaming that he has a flush draw... the last card is flipped over and it is the J ...now here is the odd situation... after we finally get things straightened out and everyone realizes that I have 9's full another player that folded preflop says, "good thing I got rid of these preflop" and flips over A J .......that's right.... TWO J s in this deck....I spot it and say "wait a sec, this is the same deck?" and flip over to make sure the backs are both red and sure enough... this table has been playing the entire night with an extra J ... since there had been a lot of moving around I'm sure the other tables were probably ok... but two of the players had played the entire night without getting moved from the table that became the final table.since he had the advantage of the extra heart and it didn't help me at all they awarded me the pot since I still made the boat. and we had to alert the tournament director.... who just gave us a new deck and said "play on"after checking the new deck (not just counting 52 cards, but checking every rank and suit)we continued the match. what would you guys have said or done in this situation? just played the rest of the night with the new deck and thought nothing of it...I know that if I had busted to a heart flush or to a set of jacks or something I would have been pissed and wanted my buy-in back.has anything similar happened to you guys?

[Vade 0]

I think this was handled okay.You said it yourself, that your boat would have won even if there were THREE jacks of hearts lolI don't think it was enough to change the result

[SabaAba 0]

That's why you should always check the deck, especially after a while of playing. Also eliminates players trying to cheat or what have you.But it didn't matter in this situation and I think it was handeld fine. I'm just curious how only hours into the tournament with 2 players playing with that deck the whole night how this was the first time they caught it.

[augmented 0]

OMG!!!!!1scandalous!!!yeah you handled it fine. one time i saw a flop with my friend chaz, and the flop came K93, all of clubs. at this point, chaz flipped over his cards, saying "um, i think something's wrong", showing pocket kings, for a set, and the nut flush draw. yeah, you heard me right. a set AND the nut flush draw.the sad thing is, i was mega chip leader at that point, and we resolved to restart the tourney with a new deck. butttttt all ended well because i dominated those suckas, taking home 1st place, and 20 thousand dollars.

[JistTheFist 0]

you see... I guess I handled THAT hand fine...but say I was the one eliminated right before we got to the final table in 8th place.... if I lost to any hand involving hearts or a jack I would have flipped out. I mean I guess it didn't really make a difference there, but I would have went nuts if it was in a hand that really mattered.

[sloshr 0]

You should have handled it as a casino would have handled it, which is like this. All hands that were completed before the bad deck was discovered stand. That does not include this hand. The hand in question was known to be played with a fouled deck and is voided. All players are given their chips back, and the hand is redealt with a new deck.

[jack24bauer24 0]

Its a joke you were awared the chips for that hand. It wasn't a legal deck.

[dpianomn 0]

just around the new year i read a story on FCP about a guy who was playing 30/60 at the bellagio. he had 22 in a capped multi-way pot, and the flop came down 2 2 xcapped on the flopcapped on the turnthen capped on the river when another 2 comes out!when it came time for showdown, he only turned over 1 card...showing quads. someone at the table asked to see his other hole card and when he flipped over the fifth 2, all hell broke loose!i believe the end result was that (half an hour later) was that everyone's money was returned as if the hand had never happened. damn. :shock: :shock:

[JistTheFist 0]

You should have handled it as a casino would have handled it, which is like this. All hands that were completed before the bad deck was discovered stand. That does not include this hand. The hand in question was known to be played with a fouled deck and is voided. All players are given their chips back, and the hand is redealt with a new deck.

but the thing is... the J doesn't help my hand at all... I had no heart and it is one more overcard to dodge...it DID however help the other player since he had a heart.. . so since he had an advantage and I didn't would the hand still not stand?

[jack24bauer24 0]

You should have handled it as a casino would have handled it, which is like this. All hands that were completed before the bad deck was discovered stand. That does not include this hand. The hand in question was known to be played with a fouled deck and is voided. All players are given their chips back, and the hand is redealt with a new deck.

but the thing is... the J doesn't help my hand at all... I had no heart and it is one more overcard to dodge...it DID however help the other player since he had a heart.. . so since he had an advantage and I didn't would the hand still not stand?

No, its not a legal deck.End of story.

[Swift_Psycho 1]

You should have handled it as a casino would have handled it, which is like this. All hands that were completed before the bad deck was discovered stand. That does not include this hand. The hand in question was known to be played with a fouled deck and is voided. All players are given their chips back, and the hand is redealt with a new deck.

but the thing is... the J doesn't help my hand at all... I had no heart and it is one more overcard to dodge...it DID however help the other player since he had a heart.. . so since he had an advantage and I didn't would the hand still not stand?

It doesn't matter whose hand it helped, the deck was still found to be no good during this hand. This hand should have been called dead and all other hands before are fine and should stand.

[sloshr 0]

just around the new year i read a story on FCP about a guy who was playing 30/60 at the bellagio. he had 22 in a capped multi-way pot, and the flop came down 2 2 xcapped on the flopcapped on the turnthen capped on the river when another 2 comes out!when it came time for showdown, he only turned over 1 card...showing quads. someone at the table asked to see his other hole card and when he flipped over the fifth 2, all hell broke loose!i believe the end result was that (half an hour later) was that everyone's money was returned as if the hand had never happened. damn. :shock: :shock:

What should have happened there is everyone's money is returned except the player with 5 2's. He loses claim to any of the pot because he obviously tried to cheat and didn't bring attention to the bad deck. I'm not saying he put the extra 2 in the deck, but by continuing to bet and only show one card, he is trying to conceal the problem, which is cheating. I believe his money would be split by everyone else in the hand at most of the places I play.Jist, in your situation I understand that you overcame greater odds to win the hand, but it was still played with a fouled deck. Think of it this way - the hand was played out and would be allowed to stand if you win, but your money would be returned if he wins. Does this sound fair to your opponent? I don't care if there are 26 hearts in the deck (no diamonds), you can't kill his flush but keep your full house when it gets there.

[JistTheFist 0]

understood... now I'll know how to deal with it if it happens again in the future.

[CodyHartman 0]

My Q is (and this may be dumb) but where there 5 jacks in the deck OR were there just 2 jack of hearts???

[JistTheFist 0]

My Q is (and this may be dumb) but where there 5 jacks in the deck OR were there just 2 jack of hearts???

I'm not 100% sure... I asked them if they checked the deck before we started playing and the girl said she had counted 52 cards but hadn't checked every card...so I guess another card must have been missing... probably one of the jacks.