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[Naslund44 0]

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[kobe2odom8 14]

meh w/e man. im definitely younger than you and definitely better than you, and definitely want to learn more than you.

wat

[TrueAce13 18]

lol just don't really have any comments for youno wonder the respected posters arent here anymore

[Tehtoe 3]

im definitely younger than you and definitely better than you, and definitely want to learn more than you.

lol wat?and there's not a ton of strat to be discussed in standard hands; it's fine posting them etc. but when people who have been around for quite awhile don't seem to grasp certain concepts and display constant results oriented thinking it can be frustrating.Way to turn it into a dick-swinging contest though...if you want to ever prove how much better you are than trueace, I'll put up w/e you want on any sort of bet vs him.

[Naslund44 0]

lol wat?and there's not a ton of strat to be discussed in standard hands; it's fine posting them etc. but when people who have been around for quite awhile don't seem to grasp certain concepts and display constant results oriented thinking it can be frustrating.Way to turn it into a dick-swinging contest though...if you want to ever prove how much better you are than trueac'll put up w/e you want on any sort of bet vs him.

what are your terms?

[TrueAce13 18]

Like seriously dude...you keep adding gas to the fire

[Naslund44 0]

Like seriously dude...you keep adding gas to the fire

i just want to improve my game. all day long its standard situations. why cant they be studied? why u gotta be a prick man.

[JustLikeNegs 1]

LIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!

[outsider13 0]

Good thing this thread got bumped.

[TrueAce13 18]

i just want to improve my game. all day long its standard situations. why cant they be studied? why u gotta be a prick man.

Ok this is not being a prick but here is the answer: Many people on this forum have a lot of results oriented thinking (having like 20bbs and running JJ into QQ, losing AQ<99, etc.)A lot of the hands that have been posted in this thread ever since have been very standard situations that really has no discussion besides, yea you should have jammed, you got unlucky. Many of the posters to a lot of hands have been (well, we have to think about the very top of villains range, so like...we have to fold!). While ys, we do have to sometimes worry about the top of villains ranges, we cannot forget that we can be beating many hands and therefore it is such a standard move. What makes me upset and tilted/frustrated is when people are saying fold hands, that should NEVER be folded given the context of the hand, but because they lost the hand, they think that it is great discussion and everyone should be able to fold in these situations. I may not have the results as you, but i have improved my game drastically once i got away from thinking deeply into results of some hands. I don't want to make this a dickwaving contest, but many people on this forum will say that I probably am one of the most eager players wanting to learn anything about the game of poker and have the knowledge and respect of a lot of the sickos on this forum to improve my game. And lastly, you need to take it easy on this douche/prick/stupid shit comments. Before the other forum was created and you would complain about people being "dicks", you would get flamed soooo much worse than I am even being. So in closing, if you want to talk strategy here, we will, but don't get pissy when someone calls people out on them just getting coolered in a standard hand

[TrueAce13 18]

And here, I will post a hand, that I don't think is standard (some of you might), what do you think we should do on the river, do we like the lineIf you want to bet the river, what are we getting called by that we beat, are we folding to a raise, and what if he jams or something odd on the riveroh, this is from the $26 32k gtd on ftp

Alright, this is a wtf spot.hero has been semi activeVillain hasn't done anything out of line and haven't seen him showdown or anything...he just got to the table like 15 hands agoWhat ranges do you think villain has, and what do we think are proper lines going into the river? v1.10Moooooooooooraaawwwr.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em t120/t240 ante t25 - 9 playersCO Gjoni: t6,880 Button tylerfrancis89: t7,090 SB Amppakoo: t15,725 BB twodownson: t4,025 UTG Hero: t12,220 UTG+1 PIMPMARCO: t20,439 MP All In Bry: t13,580 MP2 KlaKash: t14,690 HJ ZOONEY: t3,145 Preflop: (t585) Hero is UTG with : : (9 players)Hero raises to t600, 2 folds, KlaKash calls t600, 5 foldsFlop: (t1,785) : : : (2 players)Hero bets t975, KlaKash raises to t2,299, Hero calls t1,324Turn: (t6,383) : (2 players)Hero checks, KlaKash checksRiver: (t6,383) : (2 players)Hero checks, KlaKash checks

[HighwayStar 8]

THOUGHTS?(in retrspect I dislike my turn bet sizing/betting turn the turn at all)Full Tilt Poker $17,500 KO Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 472177The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History ConverterMP1: t3685 M = 61.42MP2: t4725 M = 78.75CO: t6330 M = 105.50Hero (BTN): t2615 M = 43.58SB: t4990 M = 83.17BB: t6755 M = 112.58UTG: t4115 M = 68.58UTG+1: t1790 M = 29.83UTG+2: t2175 M = 36.25Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BTN with 9 Q :diamond:UTG calls t40, 5 folds, Hero raises to t160, 2 folds, UTG calls t120Flop: (t380) T 7 4 (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets t240, UTG calls t240Turn: (t860) 5 (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets t360, UTG calls t360River: (t1580) A (2 players)UTG bets t1580, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls t1580

[outsider13 0]

THOUGHTS?(in retrspect I dislike my turn bet sizing/betting turn the turn at all)Full Tilt Poker $17,500 KO Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 472177The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History ConverterMP1: t3685 M = 61.42MP2: t4725 M = 78.75CO: t6330 M = 105.50Hero (BTN): t2615 M = 43.58SB: t4990 M = 83.17BB: t6755 M = 112.58UTG: t4115 M = 68.58UTG+1: t1790 M = 29.83UTG+2: t2175 M = 36.25Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BTN with 9 Q :diamond:UTG calls t40, 5 folds, Hero raises to t160, 2 folds, UTG calls t120Flop: (t380) T 7 4 (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets t240, UTG calls t240Turn: (t860) 5 (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets t360, UTG calls t360River: (t1580) A (2 players)UTG bets t1580, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls t1580

ipits

[TrueAce13 18]

THOUGHTS?(in retrspect I dislike my turn bet sizing/betting turn the turn at all)Full Tilt Poker $17,500 KO Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 472177The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History ConverterMP1: t3685 M = 61.42MP2: t4725 M = 78.75CO: t6330 M = 105.50Hero (BTN): t2615 M = 43.58SB: t4990 M = 83.17BB: t6755 M = 112.58UTG: t4115 M = 68.58UTG+1: t1790 M = 29.83UTG+2: t2175 M = 36.25Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BTN with 9 Q :diamond:UTG calls t40, 5 folds, Hero raises to t160, 2 folds, UTG calls t120Flop: (t380) T 7 4 (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets t240, UTG calls t240Turn: (t860) 5 (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets t360, UTG calls t360River: (t1580) A (2 players)UTG bets t1580, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls t1580

YOU DONK! YOU DON'T HAVE A PAIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[outsider13 0]

YOU DONK! YOU DON'T HAVE A PAIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Q high tho

[AimHigher 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 33 Tournament, 4000/8000 Blinds 800 Ante (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comButton (t169296)Hero (SB) (t304048)BB (t859718)UTG (t152838)MP (t117848)CO (t112252)Hero's M: 18.10Preflop: Hero is SB with , UTG bets t19297, 3 folds, Hero?FT of a $33 $10k on stars. UTG wasn't hugely active but I had seen him make some ships in good spots earlier. I'd expect him to be capable of raise/folding a 19BB stack UTG even though I don't think he should be. The big blind was quite stationy and bad, but he'd been on a bit of a rush since the FT and had stacked I think the first 3 people to bust on this FT. When we'd gotten down to two tables I'd seen him raise/call a 3-bet with 59s in EP. He'd been playing fairly tightly against me at the time as I'd had him covered but now that he had more chips than me he seemed to be playing wider preflop ranges against me.I want to get a bit of discussion going about flatting vs. 3-betting and what you guys think the best line is.

[HighwayStar 8]

If the BB was a 20 BB stack and could squeeze I like flatting to induce (and to get out of the way if someone shoves and UTG reshoves)Given the BB is huge I think flatting too often creates an uncomfortable 3 way pot where we are covered (even though we will often have position). If you think one of the other positions is squeeze happy then flatting could still be goodUsually, the BB is by far the most likely to squeeze and the other positions not so so I'd 3bet largish (55-60k) and call off any shove (cept from the BB - since that would be ICM suicide)

[HighwayStar 8]

Poker Stars $8.00+$0.80 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 9 players - View hand 472435The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History ConverterHero (UTG): t22062 M = 16.34UTG+1: t23317 M = 17.27UTG+2: t26686 M = 19.77MP1: t53273 M = 39.46MP2: t33374 M = 24.72CO: t37827 M = 28.02BTN: t55588 M = 41.18SB: t10126 M = 7.50BB: t19984 M = 14.80Pre Flop: (t1350) Hero is UTG with Q Q Hero raises to t1444, UTG+1 calls t1444, 1 fold, MP1 calls t1444, 4 folds, BB calls t844Flop: (t6526) 6 2 7 (4 players)BB checks, Hero...It's the 8 rebuy so everyone is probably horrible.

[Naslund44 0]

Poker Stars $8.00+$0.80 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 9 players - View hand 472435The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History ConverterHero (UTG): t22062 M = 16.34UTG+1: t23317 M = 17.27UTG+2: t26686 M = 19.77MP1: t53273 M = 39.46MP2: t33374 M = 24.72CO: t37827 M = 28.02BTN: t55588 M = 41.18SB: t10126 M = 7.50BB: t19984 M = 14.80Pre Flop: (t1350) Hero is UTG with Q Q Hero raises to t1444, UTG+1 calls t1444, 1 fold, MP1 calls t1444, 4 folds, BB calls t844Flop: (t6526) 6 2 7 (4 players)BB checks, Hero...It's the 8 rebuy so everyone is probably horrible.

4750 on the flop? get it innnnim guessing someone flopped a set but the amount of times they have a flush/str8 draw outweighs the sets imo.

[kobe2odom8 14]

Poker Stars $8.00+$0.80 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 9 players - View hand 472435The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History ConverterHero (UTG): t22062 M = 16.34UTG+1: t23317 M = 17.27UTG+2: t26686 M = 19.77MP1: t53273 M = 39.46MP2: t33374 M = 24.72CO: t37827 M = 28.02BTN: t55588 M = 41.18SB: t10126 M = 7.50BB: t19984 M = 14.80Pre Flop: (t1350) Hero is UTG with Q Q Hero raises to t1444, UTG+1 calls t1444, 1 fold, MP1 calls t1444, 4 folds, BB calls t844Flop: (t6526) 6 2 7 (4 players)BB checks, Hero...It's the 8 rebuy so everyone is probably horrible.

id bet 4k and invest the rest of my chips if raised

[kobe2odom8 14]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 33 Tournament, 4000/8000 Blinds 800 Ante (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comButton (t169296)Hero (SB) (t304048)BB (t859718)UTG (t152838)MP (t117848)CO (t112252)Hero's M: 18.10Preflop: Hero is SB with , UTG bets t19297, 3 folds, Hero?FT of a $33 $10k on stars. UTG wasn't hugely active but I had seen him make some ships in good spots earlier. I'd expect him to be capable of raise/folding a 19BB stack UTG even though I don't think he should be. The big blind was quite stationy and bad, but he'd been on a bit of a rush since the FT and had stacked I think the first 3 people to bust on this FT. When we'd gotten down to two tables I'd seen him raise/call a 3-bet with 59s in EP. He'd been playing fairly tightly against me at the time as I'd had him covered but now that he had more chips than me he seemed to be playing wider preflop ranges against me.I want to get a bit of discussion going about flatting vs. 3-betting and what you guys think the best line is.

I'm never flatting here, I think we 3 bet call anyone but the big blind. I don't think the big blind is gonna be re raising very light here.

[Naslund44 0]

So in closing, if you want to talk strategy here, we will, but don't get pissy when someone calls people out on them just getting coolered in a standard hand

i dont really care if we have random noobs in here asking standard questions, the entire point of this thread is to generate discussion. how will we get people to stay in here and post if you talk down to them when they're just trying to learn?

[Naslund44 0]

I'm never flatting here, I think we 3 bet call anyone but the big blind. I don't think the big blind is gonna be re raising very light here.

3bet to 65,000?

[outsider13 0]

i dont really care if we have random noobs in here asking standard questions, the entire point of this thread is to generate discussion. how will we get people to stay in here and post if you talk down to them when they're just trying to learn?

How was he talking down exactly? He was telling him to not be a results based thinker. Perhaps you need to take the sand out of your vagina and not read everything in a negative tone.

[HighwayStar 8]

re QQ handI figured if I checked the QQ hand I would induce a bet from one of the remaining players and often at least one dead money call behind that. I would then have a perfect check raise shove and my handlooks like T9 or hearts and I'll get snapped off by 66. I think I get a bet behind way more often than it checks through so the risk of giving a free card is not that high - and this is a terrible board for giving a free card.I think it's close on this board. On a dryer board my check/shove range becomes narrower and stronger since I'm rarely going to check raise spazz so in some ways it's easier to get paid off on a wet board. However in the 8R people probably don't give too much consideration to board texture if they have 66 facing that action.I'll add that my cbet% is probably a lot lower than most peoples. I'll also say I think c betting is completely fine too, it's just a style thing but I do think most people blindly c bet far too much.What happened was this, which was pretty odd and I'm nnot sure what to think.Poker Stars $8.00+$0.80 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 9 players - View hand 472435The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History ConverterHero (UTG): t22062 M = 16.34UTG+1: t23317 M = 17.27UTG+2: t26686 M = 19.77MP1: t53273 M = 39.46MP2: t33374 M = 24.72CO: t37827 M = 28.02BTN: t55588 M = 41.18SB: t10126 M = 7.50BB: t19984 M = 14.80Pre Flop: (t1350) Hero is UTG with Q Q Hero raises to t1444, UTG+1 calls t1444, 1 fold, MP1 calls t1444, 4 folds, BB calls t844Flop: (t6526) 6 2 7 (4 players)BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets t3600, MP1 raises to t8400, BB folds, Hero raises to t20568 all in, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds