StilettoNole 0 Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 ***Edit: This is 2/4 (not 1/2) as the title says. I can't figure out how to chance the title.Fairly new to table. No real reads on oppenents. I will take any advise/critizism (please be gentle). Thanks.Full Tilt 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)Preflop: Hero is CO with , . 1 fold, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, Hero calls.Flop: (9.50 SB) , , (4 players)BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, BB calls, Hero calls.Turn: (6.25 BB) (4 players)BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.River: (6.25 BB) (4 players)BB bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, BB calls, Hero calls.Final Pot: 15.25 BBI checked the turn anticipating the button to bet again (and the BB to call and me to raise)... I hate that he checked. Should I have lead the turn? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Meh, I c/r here a lot too. I'm trying not to be results oriented by saying bet, but I'm not really sure what the best play is. Link to post Share on other sites
StilettoNole 0 Posted January 1, 2008 Author Share Posted January 1, 2008 Yeah, I hear you... I am trying really hard not to be results orientated as well. The more I think about it, I think a check raise on the turn is perfect (provided that the button bets) because my hand is hidden so well. Its pretty obvious (based on my post's title) that I lost this particular hand, I guess I am just wondering if I played it wrong or if varience just got the best of me but my play was correct. Thanks for your thoughts. Link to post Share on other sites
MovingIn 0 Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Hmm... tricky hand. Flop action looks OK. Perhaps bet out on the turn? The flop bet after two checks comes off as a continuation bet from the preflop aggression, rather than a value bet with tp or top set. Villain's preflop aggression and the continuation bet here helps him represent a connection with the K on the flop, whether or not villain's holding a K or KK.Perhaps... bet the turn, and if villain or BB raises the turn, call then c/c the river and make villain show down a better hand? Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 I think you played the hand perfectly tbh.It sucks that no one bet the turn, but i do think c/r was the right play. Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 There wasnt much else you could do in this hand. I think c/r the flop would have been a bit of spew and you obviously want to go for the turn c/r. Unlucky if he rivered a boat or straight Link to post Share on other sites
StilettoNole 0 Posted January 1, 2008 Author Share Posted January 1, 2008 OK, well that makes me feel better. The river was a 9 of heats... BB checked, I bet, button raised, BB fold, I called. Button flipped pocket nines for the rivered set. I puked a lit bit (but thankfully caught it in my mouth), immidaetly signed in to FCP to post this, and tried not to tilt.Thanks for the comments. Link to post Share on other sites
mikeysong 0 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 if button is aggro, you can always donk into him hoping he isoraises w/a worse hand. Basically, if he plays flop somewhat loosely, it's a +ev move Link to post Share on other sites
Shark527 0 Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 I say lead the turn instead of c/r because it gives him chance to raise and help you define the hand. If he does raise turn go for c/c on river. If you go for c/r and are 3 bet on turn and are behind you lose that extra bet on the hand. You are either way ahead or way behind on turn. A turn bet helps to better define the hand for river decision. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 I say lead the turn instead of c/r because it gives him chance to raise and help you define the hand. If he does raise turn go for c/c on river. If you go for c/r and are 3 bet on turn and are behind you lose that extra bet on the hand. You are either way ahead or way behind on turn. A turn bet helps to better define the hand for river decision.fwiw, i don't think we need to define our hand.tough hand. i think i probably play it the same, although i might consider folding to the overcall. meh 11:1 you have to. yeah, i play the same. Link to post Share on other sites
Kaveros 0 Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 Your only mistake here I think is not betting out on the flop to find out where you were.While this "move" is pretty much a farce in NL, as you can find out where you are on the turn or river without needingto bet the flop, I believe it has some merit.Note I have switched from playing Limit professionally to NL cash, due to Crown Poker Room dropping a lot of its limitgames, and that happened a long time ago, so I am a bit rusty. Link to post Share on other sites
wsox8 10 Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 I would consider donking the turn, but sometimes I check it (I think it's a mistake depending on the board).. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 Your only mistake here I think is not betting out on the flop to find out where you were.While this "move" is pretty much a farce in NL, as you can find out where you are on the turn or river without needingto bet the flop, I believe it has some merit.Nope.Betting or raising to "find out where you are" is a massive spew and leak.We bet or raise for value, protection, isolation, fold equity, etc. Not to find out where we're at. Link to post Share on other sites
wsox8 10 Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 Nope.Betting or raising to "find out where you are" is a massive spew and leak.We bet or raise for value, protection, isolation, fold equity, etc. Not to find out where we're at.hmm maybe this is my problem Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 I fold pre. Am I bad? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Ewwww... I can't imagine folding this preflop from the CO, when it's folded to us. Link to post Share on other sites
TheWanderer 0 Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 I would have probably bet the turn. On the river, it's a crying call. Link to post Share on other sites
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