therescav 0 Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Playing 50-100, 25-50 etc. Link to post Share on other sites
therescav 0 Posted December 30, 2007 Author Share Posted December 30, 2007 PokerStars Game #14194637763: Hold'em Limit ($100/$200) - 2007/12/30 - 02:18:16 (ET)Table 'Nassovia' 6-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 2: KidPoker ($4189 in chips) Seat 3: no arms ($3970 in chips) Seat 4: sillykitten ($4295 in chips) Seat 5: SoVeryGully ($4000 in chips) Seat 6: Demongr ($6844 in chips) no arms: posts small blind $50sillykitten: posts big blind $100TDanGeR00: sits out *** HOLE CARDS ***SoVeryGully: folds Demongr: raises $100 to $200KidPoker: raises $100 to $300no arms: raises $100 to $400Betting is cappedsillykitten: folds Demongr: calls $200KidPoker: calls $100*** FLOP *** [9s Tc 5c]no arms: bets $100Demongr: folds KidPoker: calls $100*** TURN *** [9s Tc 5c] [7c]no arms: bets $200KidPoker: calls $200*** RIVER *** [9s Tc 5c 7c] [Jc]no arms: bets $200KidPoker: calls $200*** SHOW DOWN ***no arms: shows [5h 7h] (two pair, Sevens and Fives)KidPoker: shows [3d 3c] (a flush, Jack high)KidPoker collected $2298 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $2300 | Rake $2 Board [9s Tc 5c 7c Jc]Seat 2: KidPoker (button) showed [3d 3c] and won ($2298) with a flush, Jack highSeat 3: no arms (small blind) showed [5h 7h] and lost with two pair, Sevens and FivesSeat 4: sillykitten (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: SoVeryGully folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: Demongr folded on the Flop Link to post Share on other sites
therescav 0 Posted December 30, 2007 Author Share Posted December 30, 2007 lol?PokerStars Game #14194770999: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2007/12/30 - 02:29:08 (ET)Table 'Varsavia' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: BrynKenney ($5370 in chips) Seat 2: KidPoker ($3391 in chips) Seat 3: krashair ($7574 in chips) Seat 4: futilewar ($8997 in chips) Seat 5: ADZ124 ($5397 in chips) Seat 6: philivey2694 ($5075 in chips) Seat 8: alexeimartov ($8499 in chips) Seat 9: troster16 ($2700 in chips) KidPoker: posts small blind $25krashair: posts big blind $50*** HOLE CARDS ***futilewar: folds ADZ124: folds philivey2694: raises $100 to $150alexeimartov: folds troster16: folds BrynKenney: calls $150KidPoker: calls $125krashair: calls $100*** FLOP *** [5d As 2s]KidPoker: checks krashair: checks philivey2694: checks BrynKenney: bets $350KidPoker: calls $350krashair: folds philivey2694: folds *** TURN *** [5d As 2s] [5c]KidPoker: checks BrynKenney: bets $700KidPoker: raises $2191 to $2891 and is all-inBrynKenney: calls $2191*** RIVER *** [5d As 2s 5c] [Ac]*** SHOW DOWN ***KidPoker: shows [Ks Ts] (two pair, Aces and Fives)BrynKenney: shows [Ah Qh] (a full house, Aces full of Fives)BrynKenney collected $7079 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $7082 | Rake $3 Board [5d As 2s 5c Ac]Seat 1: BrynKenney (button) showed [Ah Qh] and won ($7079) with a full house, Aces full of FivesSeat 2: KidPoker (small blind) showed [Ks Ts] and lost with two pair, Aces and FivesSeat 3: krashair (big blind) folded on the FlopSeat 4: futilewar folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: ADZ124 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: philivey2694 folded on the FlopSeat 8: alexeimartov folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: troster16 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Can someone who plays SH LHE tell me why a smooth call here in position is better than 3 betting pre-flop?PokerStars Game #14194812299: Hold'em Limit ($100/$200) - 2007/12/30 - 02:32:39 (ET)Table 'Nassovia' 6-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: kjaka48582 ($3850 in chips) Seat 2: KidPoker ($6652 in chips) Seat 3: no arms ($1212 in chips) Seat 4: sillykitten ($5287 in chips) Seat 5: SoVeryGully ($2572 in chips) Seat 6: Demongr ($7680 in chips) sillykitten: posts small blind $50SoVeryGully: posts big blind $100*** HOLE CARDS ***Demongr: folds kjaka48582: raises $100 to $200KidPoker: calls $200no arms: folds sillykitten: folds SoVeryGully: folds *** FLOP *** [9h 9d 6c]kjaka48582: bets $100KidPoker: calls $100*** TURN *** [9h 9d 6c] [2d]kjaka48582: bets $200KidPoker: calls $200*** RIVER *** [9h 9d 6c 2d] [2h]kjaka48582: bets $200KidPoker: raises $200 to $400kjaka48582: calls $200*** SHOW DOWN ***KidPoker: shows [Ac 2c] (a full house, Deuces full of Nines)kjaka48582: mucks hand KidPoker collected $1947 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $1950 | Rake $3 Board [9h 9d 6c 2d 2h]Seat 1: kjaka48582 muckedSeat 2: KidPoker showed [Ac 2c] and won ($1947) with a full house, Deuces full of NinesSeat 3: no arms (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: sillykitten (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: SoVeryGully (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: Demongr folded before Flop (didn't bet) Link to post Share on other sites
YBravo 0 Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 well, with a hand like A2cc, you're looking to either get into a multi-way pot or a small HU pot. Flat-calling results in one or the other. Generally table dynamics determine what happens. Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Can someone who plays SH LHE tell me why a smooth call here in position is better than 3 betting pre-flop?sometimes in LHE, if you notice that your opponents are making postflop mistakes in a consistent and manipulable manner, you can maximize the impact of those mistakes by keeping the pot small on earlier streets. this is the most interesting answer .it's also possible that DN wanted to induce a multiway pot with a2cc, or felt as though taking charge of the hand was useless in a context where most hands were shown down anyway, etc.tough to say which it was, as i didn't watch the session, but all of the above can enter into a winning player's thought process at higher limits. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 I actually caught some of this last night....DN was not running that well, but I really do not know much about proper LHE play. I am wonder who that Kitty person is though, pro? internet phenom? Link to post Share on other sites
cardcore 0 Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 I actually caught some of this last night....DN was not running that well, but I really do not know much about proper LHE play. I am wonder who that Kitty person is though, pro? internet phenom?yes, who is that kitty person? Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 lol.I see what you did there.I'd hit it.with a bat. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 well, with a hand like A2cc, you're looking to either get into a multi-way pot or a small HU pot. Flat-calling results in one or the other. Generally table dynamics determine what happens.I've played a fair amount of SH LHE and I know that all decisions on a table are ALWAYS read dependant. This is why HH are useless without deep reads on players, IMHO.Having said that, I don't see why anyone wouldn't 3 bet and take control of the hand or fold in this situation every single time. Nothing bad can happen and many good things will result more often than not. sometimes in LHE, if you notice that your opponents are making postflop mistakes in a consistent and manipulable manner, you can maximize the impact of those mistakes by keeping the pot small on earlier streets. this is the most interesting answer .it's also possible that DN wanted to induce a multiway pot with a2cc, or felt as though taking charge of the hand was useless in a context where most hands were shown down anyway, etc.tough to say which it was, as i didn't watch the session, but all of the above can enter into a winning player's thought process at higher limits.First of all, if you are limping to maximize your opponents mistakes, then 3 betting will only make you more money. Second of all, you and I both know Ac2c is NOT a hand we want to play to a raise in a multi way pot short handed.Third of all, you make good points. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 I've played a fair amount of SH LHE and I know that all decisions on a table are ALWAYS read dependant. This is why HH are useless without deep reads on players, IMHO.Having said that, I don't see why anyone wouldn't 3 bet and take control of the hand or fold in this situation every single time. Nothing bad can happen and many good things will result more often than not. First of all, if you are limping to maximize your opponents mistakes, then 3 betting will only make you more money. Second of all, you and I both know Ac2c is NOT a hand we want to play to a raise in a multi way pot short handed.Third of all, you make good points.Because everybody plays short handed limit so aggressively these days at the higher limits the "call" has become a very powerful weapon. When you say that you would 3 bet or fold in every situation you're making a mistake by dismissing the option to call. Link to post Share on other sites
DN_Stalker 0 Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Has anyone seen Daniel playing today. I haven't seen him today. If you see him, could you please PM me. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Because everybody plays short handed limit so aggressively these days at the higher limits the "call" has become a very powerful weapon. When you say that you would 3 bet or fold in every situation you're making a mistake by dismissing the option to call.Which by default means that the game will one day become supertightSome of us will be able to say: "I've been playing that way for years..."It's all a circle Link to post Share on other sites
TheWanderer 0 Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 After playing the 25/50 NL games on Stars, does DN think he's the favorite now? Link to post Share on other sites
DanielNegreanu 141 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 It's a play I rarely make, in fact it was the ONLY time I did that during the entire session and a lot of it had to do with "flow" not wanting my opponents to think I'm reraising every hand. The real answer, though, is that the guys in this game are all way, way, way, way, way, too aggressive and call down with too many hands to the river. That, plus the fact that A2 suited is too good to fold short handed, it doesn't play all that well post flop, and most importantly, my opponent will never put me on an ace so if one flops, he may call me down drawing completely dead. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 PokerStars Game #14212611402: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2007/12/30 - 20:00:11 (ET)Table 'Theodora' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 2: samh133 ($4660 in chips) Seat 3: ayellowvette ($7079.50 in chips) Seat 5: ahh_snap ($5175 in chips) Seat 6: KidPoker ($5000 in chips) Seat 7: LURPED ($4975 in chips) Seat 8: bart spijker ($5997 in chips) Seat 9: kutacowboy ($7399 in chips) RaSZi will be allowed to play after the buttonsamh133: posts small blind $25ayellowvette: posts big blind $50*** HOLE CARDS ***ahh_snap: folds KidPoker: raises $100 to $150LURPED: calls $150bart spijker: folds kutacowboy: folds samh133: folds ayellowvette: folds *** FLOP *** [Qd 7h 2d]KidPoker: bets $250LURPED: calls $250*** TURN *** [Qd 7h 2d] [Ah]KidPoker: bets $400LURPED: calls $400*** RIVER *** [Qd 7h 2d Ah] [Tc]KidPoker: bets $1500LURPED: raises $2675 to $4175 and is all-inKidPoker: calls $2675*** SHOW DOWN ***LURPED: shows [Qs Ts] (two pair, Queens and Tens)KidPoker: shows [Qh Qc] (three of a kind, Queens)KidPoker collected $10022 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $10025 | Rake $3 Board [Qd 7h 2d Ah Tc]Seat 2: samh133 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: ayellowvette (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: ahh_snap folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: KidPoker showed [Qh Qc] and won ($10022) with three of a kind, QueensSeat 7: LURPED showed [Qs Ts] and lost with two pair, Queens and TensSeat 8: bart spijker folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: kutacowboy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Link to post Share on other sites
dreamcrusher28 0 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 He just stacked someone with three ladies!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
gatortom64 1 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Now he can order the meatless chili!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
tuckermitchell 1 Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 GOTCHA ahahahahaha Link to post Share on other sites
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