A F A Q-ish Post

[Acid_Knight 2]

Does anyone at your place of work ever notice that you spend most of your time on a poker forum?

Lots of people spend time on the internet. I put out a lot of work, so nobody says anything.

[Zach6668 513]

MATT I MISS YOU ALREADY

[Acid_Knight 2]

MATT I MISS YOU ALREADY

I heard from cwik that downtown didn't love you :)Also, while we're talking about floating and stuff:Last night at Ceaesar's:Super aggrotard on my right. I have $1200, he covers at 2/5. He limps in the HJ (he has an unplayable hand by anyone's standards, since he'd raise any 2 face cards or any pair or any A) so I raise to $25 in the CO with A9o. The button, SB and aggrotard all call. The flop is 863 rainbow. Check, check. I comment to him "that's about your neighborhood" and then I bet $75 into $100. Button and SB fold, aggrotard raises me to $200. I call. Turn pairs the 6. He leads for $225 and I quitely slip 5 $100 bills into the pot. He laughs and turns over 83cc that just got "counterfitted" and slides them into the muck. I show my hand.Minor bad read by me on the flop, but what a turn card! I'm sure the river was a 9

[David_Nicoson 1]

Since nobody wants to edit the wiki, I'll just post the thing in here. No-Limit Hold'em StratThis is an attempt to capture the collective knowledge of the Full Contact Poker No-Limit Strategy forum. The discussions themselves are educational, but it's not always clear to the newbie which comments are the gems. None of this is particularly original. You can find this advice spread among forums and books.Exploitive vs. Optimal StrategiesThis is a basic game theory distinction. An exploitive strategy takes advantage of the particular sort of mistake our villains tend to make. For instance, if they tend to call too much preflop we can raise with lower standards and raise a larger amount.An optimal strategy is an attempt to play theoretically perfectly, so that no matter what the villain does he can't get an edge on us.OddsPot OddsImplied OddsImplied odds are different than immediate pot odds. They are a fluid concept that takes into account your read of your opponents hand, the odds of making a hand that beats their hand and the size relationship between their bet size and the pot as well as the remaining effective stacks.The simplest example would be if you hold 55 and you are 100% sure (we're never 100%, but he helps clarify the example) that your opponent has AA and will stack off on ANY flop that doesn't have an Ace in it. If he raises to $50 preflop in a 5/10 NL game and has a $1000 stack (which you cover) then this is a very profitable situation for you. You will flop a set roughly 1 in 8 times and stack your opponent. If you call the $50, you are getting implied odds of 20-1 ($1000-$50) which is much greater than your actual odds of outdrawing him on the flop which are about 8-1.Implied odds are most useful when you have a very sneaky hand like a small pair or suited connectors (preflop) or a gutshot straight draw on a rainbow board (postflop) and you put your opponent on a very strong hand, such as a big pair (preflop) or a set or top 2 pair (postflop). To fully utilize implied odds, you and your opponents should have deep stacks in relation to any bets that you have to call.Reverse Implied Odds (RIO)The implied odds working against you when you make a strong hand that is 2nd best, yet if you outflop your opponent, you will likely not get paid.A good example of this is if you hold AQ vs your opponent's AK. If you both flop an A, you are likely to lose a lot of money since you are dominated. If the flop comes Q high, you will not be able to make any money from him unless he's bluffing at the pot. Hands such as KQo, AJo, ATo, and even AQ have very large RIO.Even AK has high RIO when you think there's a good chance that your opponent holds only 1 of 3 hands: AA, KK or QQ. In this situation, if you see a flop with them and you outflop their hand by hitting an A/K vs QQ or the A against KK, you will not get paid much if anything. However, if you're up against AA and you flop the K or the A, you will likely lose your whole stack.Common MisconceptionsWait for a better spot.Usually the better spot will be there regardless of what we do in the current hand. While it's possible for some odd metagame concern links the hands, in the vast majority of the cases we should be looking to maximize our expected value in the hand in isolation.You have only $X invested.The money we have contributed to the pot is irrelevant. It's no longer our money. It's what business men call a sunk cost.People who post this often really mean that the pot is small compared to the amount of money still in the stacks. And that's the right way to think about it.You're the favorite, so you want a call.It's fairly common for our hand to be the favorite but it's still better for us if the villain folds. For hands that are very close to a coin flip (e.g., a pair vs. AK or a 15-out draw), we profit more when the villain (incorrectly) folds than when he calls our bet as a dog.Another manifestation of this is raising too small to induce calls preflop with a big pair, ignoring the implied odds that we are offering our opponents.You have to find out where you're at.Betting or raising for information is overrated. It's very common for the information to be "Betting there was stupid." Focus on the more straight-forward reasons for being aggressive (betting for value, bluffing, and semi-bluffing), which sometimes also yield useful information as a side effect.Preflop StrategyPositionPosition is far more important than the average beginner realizes. In early position, your standards should be quite tight.

1. It's easier to identify good opportunities to bluff from late position.
2. We get paid off with our good hands more by acting last.
3. We avoid paying off better hands in late position by watching the action ahead of us.

We should show a profit from all position except the blinds. If there's a position that you're a net loser from (e.g., UTG), consider (as a thought experiment) replacing your current strategy with folding everything and pushing with AA. This seems like a stupid strategy, but yours is worse.The other aspect is your position relative to the other players for whom we have specific expectations, in particular the preflop raiser. If the PFR typically put in a continuation bet (or the board looks like one that he will likely bet), the rest of the field will often check to the raiser. Since we know that the PFR will likely bet, that's not new information. We want to see what the rest of the field will do in reaction to this bet. So in a multiway pot, we might prefer acting immediately before PFR.5/10 ruleThis is Ciaffone's (Pot-limit and No-Limit Hold'em)guideline for playing speculative hands (e.g., a small pair) before the flop. Since we believe that we are taking the worst of it preflop, we need implied odds to compensate to make the overall play have positive expectation. There are three ranges defined by the fraction of the amount of money we can expect to win if we hit that the preflop wager represents.

1. Less that 5% — Play speculative hands.
2. Between 5% and 10% — Borderline. Consider the tendencies of the villains.
3. More than 10% — Don't play speculative hands.

It's a common mistake for people to look for 7.5:1 (12% of the effective stack) to set mine. This ignores two important factors:

1. The villain doesn't always pay us off when we hit.
2. Sometimes we hit a set and still lose. In fact, we win only 82% of the time that we hit a set against a bigger pair due to set over set and one card straights and flushes.

Limp/reraiseLimp and reraise can work when the other players are aggressive (or at least one is especially aggressive). It's also important to keep the stack sizes in mind when making this play, because if we define our hand to narrowly it can be very difficult to play after the flop with a deep stack.When we have the maniac on our left (which is where we want him), this is a great strategy. The other players will be willing to call the maniac's raise with mediocre hands, so the pot can grow very quickly.Aces and kings are the favorite hands for limp/reraise, but against thinking opponents we can profit from a wider range, including AK and perhaps junk if we have strong reads.Sizing the openerStandard practice is to raise the size of the pot preflop, although it's fairly common to see larger openers in live games. Larger openers are generally an attempt to exploit the villain's mistake of calling too much preflop.Postflop StrategySizing a wager after the flopWe should wager larger amounts on coordinated boards. The villains are weighing the odds you are offering against the likelihood that they will improve to a hand that beats ours. Since their chance of improving is higher on this sort of board, then we can bet more.Flop 1K K 5 :club:A good bet on this flop is 1/3 to 1/2 of the pot. Flop 2K Q 8 :diamond:A good bet on this board is between 1 and 2 times the size of the pot.Continuation BetsA continuation bet is a bet made on the flop after a preflop raise with perhaps nothing. It's generally a good idea to keep betting if we hit, because our opponents will think, "It's just a continuation bet."When deciding whether or not to bet the flop, we should consider these factors:Number of opponentsIn general, bluffs are more profitable against fewer opponents and a continuation bet with air is no exception. With several hands against us, the chance that they all missed the flop is low. Even when the villains check to us, they could have hit hard and are looking for us to bet.Our reputationPlayer that raise seldom before the flop get more credit for an overpair, so their continuation bets are more successful (unless of course they also have a reputation for folding to easily on the flop).Our willingness to fire a second barrel on the turn (that is, bet again without a legitimate hand) can make our continuation bets much scarier. It's easy enough for the villain to call the first bet with top pair and a bad kicker if he knows that we will always check down if we really missed.Flop textureExpect for the villains to call on coordinated boards (flops with two of the same suit or cards close in rank). As a generalization, we should be more willing to give up on unpaired overcards in these situations because we are at best slightly ahead or way behind.Ideally, we'd like to see a rainbow flop with one high card and the other two scattered. These are the sort of flops that the villain expects us to hit, and he seldom does with his speculative holding.Villains' stylesIf the villains are playing "fit or fold", then continuation bets are very profitable. If the villains "float" (call a bet with nothing with the intention of stealing later), then we have either give up or outplay them on the last streets.Blocking BetsThe idea of a blocking bet is that we have a marginal hand out of position and we'd like to play a particular street for as little as possible. The theory is that if we check, then the villain might bet something substantial (e.g., the size of the pot) but we can convince him to just call a smaller bet.The problem with this theory is that a competent villain may not cooperate and indeed force us to to a tough decision by raising. Often our attempt at a blocking bet will be highly transparent.Playing on coordinated boardsPosition is very important for all parties.When a big hand is developing, the out of position players tend to prefer to get all-in and the in position players tend to prefer to play more streets. There is no positional advantage when all of the chips are in.In a multiway pot, a player with a drawing hand in poor position has to predict the action behind him in order to make the right choice. He might call a first bet with reasonable odds, but then a later player raises. It's also much harder for the draw to get calls after he hits.Keep in mind that all draws are not created equal. It's often best to fold our ordinary draw with 8 or 9 outs, but go to war with it if we have a little something extra: a pair, a combination draw (e.g., a flush draw and a gut-shot straight draw, or overcards).Play more streets against poor players. They'll make mistakes at each decision point that you can exploit. For instance, against good players we often play our draws aggressively, because we won't get paid off when we hit it and also to balance our strategy through deception.If a poor player gives us a chance to draw for a good price and we have position, accept his offer. Don't try to semibluff him on the flop.Betting when you think you're behindSometimes turn play transpires that leaves an awkward amount of money to play on the river. If we're going to pay off a hand that beats us (due to the pot odds) and hands that we beat will check behind, it's better to bet even if we think we're a dog against his range.For instance, suppose we make a straight on the turn and put in a large raise. A villain calls with a small stack so that we'd be getting 8:1 on a river call. A flush card comes on the river, which we believe more often than not beats us. Against an especially aggressive bluffer, we might check to induce a bluff here. But usually players will know that the pot is too large for this to work and they'll check behind.Checking when you think you're aheadSometimes we think we're ahead most of the time, but we still check because the villain is unlikely to have a weaker that can give us action. For instance, we might suspect that our villain missed a draw on a paired board and check behind with one pair on the river. The missed draw can't give us any action, and if our villain has a big hand we just handed him money. On the other hand, reopening the betting can be a good move to bet to induce a bluff from an aggressive player.See Sklansky's Theory of Poker.FloatingA general definition of "floating" is when you call a player's bet postflop after flopping little or no hand at all. Floating and delayed bluffs are often associated, except that delayed bluffs usually have a more involved plan than a float does. Let's look at a couple of examples.Example 1: A good floating situationYou call a preflop raise with 55 or 67s or some weak hand after a player raises in MP. You call preflop because your hand has some value and because you have position. The two of you take a HU flop that comes down A72 rainbow. Your opponent bets 3/4 of the pot and you call. The turn is a 9. Your opponent checks, you bet 2/3 of the pot and he angrily folds QQ face up muttering about how lucky you are to catch the A on him.Your hand is very weak and likely not the best hand. You're not really drawing to anything here and you have no pot odds. So why did you call?The answer has a lot of layers. We called because we have position and the flop often misses our opponent. We called because our opponent will not likely fire a 2nd bullet as a bluff (or with QQ or TT) since it's impossible for us to have a draw on this board. Mostly we called because we are going to use our position to take the pot away if our opponent shows weakness. Think about it - we almost have to have an Ace here if we called his flop bet. Sometimes we are even slowplaying a set. Although we only have 1 weak pair or no hand at all, it will be difficult for our opponent to win this pot unless he actually has flopped the Ace and the whole reason that floating works is because you do miss the flop 2/3 of the time.Who and when to float:

1. Float players who at least attempt to read hands. If your opponent will not fold KK because he waited for 3 hours to get that hand, don't try and make him lay it down because the A flopped.
2. Float players who give up if they've missed and their continuation bet is called. If the board is T92 and you have 45 suited, this is a good time to float since your opponent often has 2 unpaired big cards and are only going to fire 1 bullet at the pot.
3. Float on dry boards. The dryer the board, the better. Many opponents will fire multiple bullets if they think you're on a draw. If the board is totally dry, they fear that your flat call is more likely a trap or a made hand than it is a draw.
4. Float weak tight players constantly. These players want and almost need a strong hand to continue and they will almost never make it. Take advantage of their tendencies and put them to tough decisions.
5. In position and HU.
6. Floating with some kind of draw (even a gutshot) is better than floating with total air.

Who and when NOT to float and when to give up:

1. Any board that is very likely to have helped your opponent is one where you should fold to their c-bet.
2. Very aggressive opponents who do not slow down are harder to contend with because they often fire 2 or 3 bullets with nothing.
3. Tricky players who will c-bet the flop and then check the turn to get in a check-raise with a strong made hand.
4. Calling stations don't know how to fold. Remember, you're bluffing, so they have to be able to fold.
5. Don't float when there are other players in the pot behind you who might actually have a real hand.
6. Floating out of position is very difficult and should not be done often at all. It is tricky to play the streets as your opponent may check behind the turn for pot control, making it harder for you to represent the big hand that you wanted.

Overall, floating is different than a delayed bluff because you give up more easily on floats because you don't necessarily have a strong hand to represent. Let's look at the difference.Delayed BluffsA delayed bluff is a bluff where you call on one street and bet or raise on another with the intent of representing a very strong hand.Example 1: Slowplaying "Trips"Your opponent opens from MP and you call in position with AQhh. The flop comes down KK3 rainbow. Your opponent bets 2/3 of the pot and you call. The turn is a 6. Your opponent bets 1/2 of the pot and you raise him 2.5x his bet. He folds.Why does this work? Well, delayed bluffs work because you have a big hand to represent and it's a hand that your opponent likely doesn't hold and cannot beat. In the example above, it's hard to put you on anything but Kx the way that you've played the hand. That's why delayed bluffs are often so successful - they are "transparent" in the sense that you're representing that you're playing a very strong hand in a very predictable manner. In the example above, unless you have Kx or a full house, there's no other hand that you would raise for value in this situation, so your opponent should probably fold any other hands, even as strong as pocket aces.PitfallsDelayed bluffs are expensive. You must call on one street and bet or raise on another, committing a larger % of your stack to the pot. As a result, you should pick your spots carefully because they must succeed fairly often as a result of the high risk-reward ratio.Don't be afraid to give up. Just because you called the flop with the intention of repping trips, doesn't mean that your opponent cannot hold them. If you get the feeling that he has the hand you're trying to represent, abandon the bluff attempt.Make sure that you have respect and the right image when running one of these plays. Also make sure that the play falls into line with how you'd play your other strong hands. If you're super aggressive and you'd always raise with KQ on a KK2 flop, then running a delayed bluff where you flat call against an observant opponent makes little sense since he'd already know that you raise the flop there with trips a high % of the time.SummationOverall, these plays are much more advanced and are unnecessary in many lower limit games. If the players don't understand what you're doing, it's hard to make fancy moves like these. Delayed bluffs and floating are ways to win yourself the big pots without a hand by preying on weakness in your opponent. Players who make these plays regularly are some of the toughest opponents you will face because they force you to make a hand against them while playing out of position. Once you identify these tricky aggressors, the check/raise on the turn becomes one of your biggest and most profitable moves. Done with the correct frequencies, these plays make a player both highly profitable and unpredictable at the poker table.Bankroll ManagementThere's been a lot said and written about this. You might want to read the Mathematics of Poker if you're interested in a rigorous treatment. 20 buy-ins is a good number if you just want a number. A number of factors affect the amount:

1. tolerance for failure. Going broke for your average amateur isn't the end of the word. Each person has to assess how big a deal losing it all is. For a player who's relying on the income to pay his bills, then going broke is a big problem.
2. real winrate. A player with a higher win rate needs a smaller bankroll.
3. real variance. An individual's style of play affects his variance. This isn't something we can know without already having played a lot of hands.
4. slop in the bankroll concept. A person with another source of income can effectively have a larger bankroll than the amount of money in his account or under his mattress.

TellsRead Joe Navaro's Read 'Em and Reap. People are more honest with their feet than their faces and hands. Any intentional deception generally happens above the waist (except perhaps on people who have read this book!).Levels of ThinkingLevel 1: What do I have? How will I play it?Level 2: What do I think my opponent has? How would he play it?Level 3: What do I think my opponent puts me on? How would he think I'm gonna play it?Level 4: What do I think my opponent thinks that I am putting him on? How would he think I think he's gonna play it?We should always try to think one level deeper than our villain. If he's only thinking on level 1, then our level 3 strategy misses the mark.Jumping outside of poker for a moment, here's an example from the Princess Bride.Vizzini: But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you. Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.Notice how his thinking falls apart if he puts Westley on the wrong level.Brick and Mortar vs. Online PlayFor games of equal size, online games tend to be much tougher. As a matter of speculation, this is probably because of the absence of the tourist gamblers. Players generally have a tougher time being patient in live games. The smallest game in a casino is typically a 1/2, while online games go as low as 0.01/0.02. Therefore, a player wishing to play the lowest stakes possible is playing much higher in the casino.Transition from Structured LimitBuy-in Size

Edited December 21, 2007 by David_Nicoson

[Zach6668 513]

Sick.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Since nobody (*COUGH! ACID COUGH!*) wants to edit the wiki, I'll just post the thing in here.

[Acid_Knight 2]

David,I signed up for an account on the wiki site and I can't edit the page. Can you adjust settings so that I can?Thanks,Matt

[pele_br 0]

Very nice post. A LOT of useful information, for beginners and more experienced players alike. And I also read Fagish post, so If Zach could "fix" it to FAQish, it would help. Although, in these forums, you might have more people opening this thread if they read FAG instead of FAQ... Either way, excellent contribution to the forum.

[Zach6668 513]

I can't change capitalization... it's a stupid board.

[simo_8ball 0]

I can't change capitalization... it's a stupid board.

You can.Make it "F A Q-ish Post"

[Acid_Knight 2]

You can.Make it "F A Q-ish Post"

Zach, you do notice the spaces between the F, the A and the Q right?

[Zach6668 513]

ya, didn't think of that.

[Acid_Knight 2]

ya, didn't think of that.

Nice work. You're really earning those big moderator dollars!Also, I watched DIDDYZGURL totally own people at 2/4 6 max last night on AP. He informed me that I didn't see him playing badly, ie getting it AI on the flop with TT against 56o after the flop was 234 and sucking out like a champ

[Zach6668 513]

Should it be "An F A Q-ish Post"?

[Acid_Knight 2]

Should it be "An F A Q-ish Post"?

Not if you like proper English.I don't know how proper Canadian differs from that, but "A F A Q-ish post" is correct in English.

[pele_br 0]

Not if you like proper English.I don't know how proper Canadian differs from that, but "A F A Q-ish post" is correct in English.

Hehehe. I'm not familiar with Canadian English either, but "An" should be used in front of vowels, the letter "F" does not qualify. Have to speak English like the Queen of England!Not that most English people do though...Back on Topic: Can suggestions be made for topics to be added to this wiki?

[Acid_Knight 2]

Back on Topic: Can suggestions be made for topics to be added to this wiki?

Suggest whatever you want.

[Zach6668 513]

Not if you like proper English.I don't know how proper Canadian differs from that, but "A F A Q-ish post" is correct in English.

It's correct english if you pronounce "F" like "eff".An eff eh cue - ish post.

[tskillz187 0]

It's correct english if you pronounce "F" like "eff".An eff eh cue - ish post.

Heh, you said eh.Stupid Canadians. I had a dude from Canada to my right last night/this morning and he kept saying eh and also showing me how disgusted he was when his Q10ss kept missing. I hate those people. Canadians that is. Not people that show me their cards in disgust, they are ok.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I hate those people. Canadians that is. Not people that show me their cards in disgust, they are ok.

LOL

[Zach6668 513]

Heh, you said eh.Stupid Canadians. I had a dude from Canada to my right last night/this morning and he kept saying eh and also showing me how disgusted he was when his Q10ss kept missing. I hate those people. Canadians that is. Not people that show me their cards in disgust, they are ok.

Banned.

[David_Nicoson 1]

It's correct english if you pronounce "F" like "eff".An eff eh cue - ish post.

I pronounce FAQ as an acronym like "Fack". That's why I put A instead of An. I don't know what everybody else does.

[David_Nicoson 1]

I think anyone can edit the wiki now. I've made edits in this post now, so it's a merge situation.Edit the wiki or post here. Take your pick.

[meservery 0]

Awesome work guys. I have been running out of poker material to read whilest I poop.

[tskillz187 0]

I'm lazy, but I'd like an EV thing on there and I like the online v live but it's not filled in right now.