Calculating Impact Of Rake

[mdroc1 0]

It seems fairly easy to calculate the anticipated rake in a live game and work out what you're up against.I saw a game the other day that carries a $10 per hour time charge per player, 10% rake capped at $6 and there are probably about 25 hands an hour dealt. If we assume that the rake averages around $4 a pot, that's $100 an hour in rake + $90 an hour time changes. In a nine player table, each player is paying around $21 per hour on average. So that's fine.Now let's say I told you the game was $2/$5 no limit and the maximum buy in is $500, is it possible to calculate the degree to which the game is beatable factoring in the rake. Obviously, one needs to make more than $21 per hour. But in this game, do you think you could determine whether $35 per hour on average overall would be a realistic and sustainable target?

[Temporary Nuts 1]

Time charge?GHEY!!

[Zach6668 513]

Time charge AND $6 pot rake???Stay away from that place.In order to break even in that game, you'd need to win $21/hr in a rake free environment, aka 4.2 big bets per 25 hands, or 16.8 big bets/100 (8.4 ptbb/100). That's a pretty tough winrate to sustain online, but I imagine in a live environment where the games are softer, it could be done.That's a retardo rake structure though.Ps - $35/hr (on top of rake?) would be 11.2 big bets/hr, or 44.8 big bets/100 (22.4 ptbb/100), and would be pretty unrealistic, unless I'm overestimating live games.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

OP, are you CERTAIN that there was a Rake AND a Session Fee?

[dms26 3]

It seems fairly easy to calculate the anticipated rake in a live game and work out what you're up against.I saw a game the other day that carries a $10 per hour time charge per player, 10% rake capped at $6 and there are probably about 25 hands an hour dealt.

A time charge and rake? Stay the hell away from that place.

[kingdbag 0]

I think last time I was in Atlantic City the Borgata charged like $5 every dealer change so 2 per hour $10 bucks (1/2 NL) but they didn't take any rake from the pots... What do you guys think about that kinda structure? I thought it was kinda shitty and didn't like that they do that.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I have never heard of a game where it's raked and there's a time charge.From what I remember, every Limit Holdem game 20/40 and up that I've ever seen has a time charge in lieu of raking the pots. The same applies for all 5/10 NL games and above here in Vegas. They do time charge because it's faster and it means having fewer smaller chips on the table since there are never $1 or $5 chips in the pot at a 5/10 or 10/20 NL game.All games below those are usually raked per pot.

[mtdesmoines 3]

It seems fairly easy to calculate the anticipated rake in a live game and work out what you're up against.I saw a game the other day that carries a $10 per hour time charge per player, 10% rake capped at $6 and there are probably about 25 hands an hour dealt. If we assume that the rake averages around $4 a pot, that's $100 an hour in rake + $90 an hour time changes. In a nine player table, each player is paying around $21 per hour on average. So that's fine.Now let's say I told you the game was $2/$5 no limit and the maximum buy in is $500, is it possible to calculate the degree to which the game is beatable factoring in the rake. Obviously, one needs to make more than $21 per hour. But in this game, do you think you could determine whether $35 per hour on average overall would be a realistic and sustainable target?

This is an insane, almost unbeatable game over the long haul.

[David_Nicoson 1]

I played at a casino with a rake and $5 "seating fee". I emphasize once.I personally prefer rake to time charge, because I like the flexibility of leaving whenever without feeling that I'm waisting my time charge fee. Plus I'm tighter than average so I end up getting a slightly better deal.

[mtdesmoines 3]

I played at a casino with a rake and $5 "seating fee". I emphasize once.I personally prefer rake to time charge, because I like the flexibility of leaving whenever without feeling that I'm waisting my time charge fee. Plus I'm tighter than average so I end up getting a slightly better deal.

That, and when it's raked, you don't have to play hands and pay. Seating fee, you pay no matter what.

[NoBBiR 0]

A time charge and rake? Stay the hell away from that place.

I'd rather kill myself than play in that place, Christ.