Snamuh 0 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Villain seemed pretty solid. 25/17/2.86. The pot sized flop and turn bets looked very strong. Is there value in a river bet here? I can't think that he planned on C/Ring a monster here seeing as there weren't any draws to miss. This is almost always another Q right?Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Button ($151.70)SB ($91.85)BB ($142.85)UTG ($100)Hero ($195.15)CO ($100)Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, J. 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.5, 2 folds, SB calls $3, BB calls $2.50.Flop: ($10.50) Q, Q, 4(3 players)SB checks, BB bets $10.5, Hero calls $10.50, SB folds.Turn: ($31.50) 9(2 players)BB bets $31.5, Hero calls $31.50.River: ($94.50) 3(2 players)BB checks, Hero? Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Two things. 1. You're kidding right?2. Nice value bet of $42. I'd have bet more. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 This is almost always another Q right?I would think this is almost NEVER another Q the way he played it on the flop and turn. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 BB ($142.85) Hero ($195.15)CO ($100)River: ($94.50) 3(2 players)BB checks, Hero? Bet $80-$100. Link to post Share on other sites
nomad_monad 0 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 I would think this is almost NEVER another Q the way he played it on the flop and turn.With an AF of 2.9, why can't a solid-ish villain be fastplaying Qx against the preflop raiser, especially on the turn after the flop call? sure it's a dry board, but that adds deception value to him donkbetting the flop. once hero calls, villain shouldn't stop betting since hero didn't raise, so there's a decent chance hero will just check behind the turn.As for the hand, I'd bet more on the river as well. Hands like TT & 88 might call a 1/2 pot, but they fold a lot too. You want to maximize against the times he has Qx and is willing to pay-off close to pot. When he checks that river, the only hand I would ever even think to worry about would be KQ, and only from a villain that plays sort of scared, a description that doesn't seem to fit this one.EDIT - Betting near pot, you'll also get called way more often than not by a donked up AA/KK. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Not much help, but you're 65% against a random queen.I don't see why you wouldn't value bet this.Would a better queen check the river after you called two pot sized bets but didn't raise? NoWould a worse queen/pair call a bet? Easily.Let me guess, you bet $84.75?Good bet. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Actually he bet 42 and the guy snap called with Q10 or KQ? I don't understand what the guy has unless its KQ or Q10. Link to post Share on other sites
nomad_monad 0 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Actually he bet 42 and the guy snap called with Q10 or KQ? I don't understand what the guy has unless its KQ or Q10.Q8 (probably sooted) is in his rangealso, villain might have had a mini-blow-up and called getting 3-1 on the river with JJ/TT. Link to post Share on other sites
ScreenDreams 0 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 The thing that I have noticed in my play that I have been consciously working on.Is getting Max value of the prem. hands that I get/flops that I hit. (because in NL one doesn't play too mny big pots and when a player does he/she should get max value out of it to increase ones BB/100)As Played I would bet 3/4 on the pot on river. From what I've learned is that if villain is going to call you or fold it don't matter if you bet less than pot or 3/4 even up to a pot bet. villain has already made their decision.Now get value on it! Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted November 7, 2007 Author Share Posted November 7, 2007 Actually he bet 42 and the guy snap called with Q10 or KQ? I don't understand what the guy has unless its KQ or Q10.I have to figure it's AQ-QT. I can't see him throwing two pot sized bets and checking the river with anything else. Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted November 7, 2007 Author Share Posted November 7, 2007 I would think this is almost NEVER another Q the way he played it on the flop and turn.So what else does someone donk 2 PSB's with on a non drawy board? Name some hands. He's not doing this with 99/TT/JJ/KK/AA. There's no flush draw. A lot of villains fastplay their big hands. It's called getting money into the pot. Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Eh, he's solid and represented real strength. Not too many Queen combos that you beat, and aggro pp's probably fold to any worthwhile river bet.Any queen could certainly take a shot at a CRAI on the river here because it looks so weak... I really doubt his line plan is c-c, which is all you can get value out of. Link to post Share on other sites
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